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7/9/2009  10:41 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

not for nothing, but if the knicks were not in total dump mode and fixated on 2010, hedo was another player they could've snatched up.

they're probably hoping gallinari becomes the next hedo.

and really, that makes more sense. hedo is 30. we don't need to be signing 30 yr olds until we develop an identity.
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7/9/2009  10:41 AM
Posted by mikesknicks:

Why did the Magic get a trade exception??? I thought they wanted nothing to do with a sign and trade with Hedo going to the Raptors.

lol...welcome to the world of bryan colangelo...

but in reality, everybody in this deal gets what they want.

raptors get hedo + depth + MLE/LLE
mavs get marion + humps
memphis gets cash
orlando gets an exception they can use to outspend a team offering MLE's
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7/9/2009  10:42 AM
Posted by mikesknicks:

Why did the Magic get a trade exception??? I thought they wanted nothing to do with a sign and trade with Hedo going to the Raptors.

because they realized he was going to leave and they decided to get something out of it. they get a huge trade exception and the raptors get some other assets from dallas and get to keep their MLE and LLE which are crucial for them this summer. orlando definitely didn't want to keep hedo, once they knew he was gone why not get some assets?
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7/9/2009  10:42 AM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by djsunyc:

not for nothing, but if the knicks were not in total dump mode and fixated on 2010, hedo was another player they could've snatched up.

they're probably hoping gallinari becomes the next hedo.

and really, that makes more sense. hedo is 30. we don't need to be signing 30 yr olds until we develop an identity.

obviously now they do. but i'm talking about if they started going s&t, expiring deal route a year or two ago. look at all the big time all star caliber players moved in the past 12 months.
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7/9/2009  10:42 AM
Posted by SupremeCommander:
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Posted by kam77:

Yes we can include Jeffries for the exception.

Lets say Knicks and ORL were to make this deal here is how it would work:

DLee is signed to a 10mil offer sheet.
Since its the first year of the deal, LEE is a BYC player.
BYC reduces tradeable salary by 50% so David's trade value will be 5mil.
Add in Jeffries and even with his trade kicker, the Knicks would be sending about $12.5 mil to ORL.

12.5 mil is within 125% of 10mil.

Trade approved.

This isn't right.

Because NYC is over the cap, Lee would be a BYC player. That means for NY's purposes only, his $10M contract will be deemed to be $5M. Orlando, however, will be charged in the trade with receiving a $10M player.

Here, as you said, NY would be giving up $5M in Lee and $6.5M in Jeffries and the trade kicker-- assume that we are charged with sending $12.5M as you said.

Orlando, however, for the purposes of the trade rules would be charged with incoming salaries of $10M and $7.5M = $17.5M. That is pretty hard to overcome.

Thanks for clearing that up because I really have no idea how BYC works and that seems right

In that case, we'd need to take a player or two back in the trade. We'd need to receive another 3.5mil in player salary.

Any two of: JJ Reddick, Anthony Johnson, Ryan Anderson, Jeremy Richardson
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7/9/2009  10:43 AM
Posted by EwingsGlass:

Rights to FranV and a 2010 1st would be pretty good... better than him taking 1 yr at the QO.

Even w/o including Jeffries, I don't think we can do this trade without a 3rd team.

The max we could take back would be $6.35M trade exception( Lee's Base Year Contract = $5M times 125% plus 100K equals 6.35M. Orlando would be giving up $6.35M and taking back 10M. I just don't see it.

i am not 100% how trade exceptions work... do the magic have to use all of the $10M trade exception? does it really work exactly like a $10M contract?
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7/9/2009  10:43 AM
fyi, you can't combine a trade exemption with a player or cash. you can add picks but no player.
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7/9/2009  10:44 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by djsunyc:

not for nothing, but if the knicks were not in total dump mode and fixated on 2010, hedo was another player they could've snatched up.

they're probably hoping gallinari becomes the next hedo.

and really, that makes more sense. hedo is 30. we don't need to be signing 30 yr olds until we develop an identity.

obviously now they do. but i'm talking about if they started going s&t, expiring deal route a year or two ago. look at all the big time all star caliber players moved in the past 12 months.

we'll probably be doing a lot of sign and trading next summer and after that is my guess. i doubt we'll sign anyone outright.
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7/9/2009  10:45 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

fyi, you can't combine a trade exemption with a player or cash. you can add picks but no player.

i didn't think so
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7/9/2009  10:48 AM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by djsunyc:

fyi, you can't combine a trade exemption with a player or cash. you can add picks but no player.

i didn't think so

the rights to fran vasquez basically work like a draft pick, still, i believe.
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7/9/2009  10:49 AM
I think he was referring to Jeffries.
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7/9/2009  10:51 AM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by EwingsGlass:

Rights to FranV and a 2010 1st would be pretty good... better than him taking 1 yr at the QO.

Even w/o including Jeffries, I don't think we can do this trade without a 3rd team.

The max we could take back would be $6.35M trade exception( Lee's Base Year Contract = $5M times 125% plus 100K equals 6.35M. Orlando would be giving up $6.35M and taking back 10M. I just don't see it.

i am not 100% how trade exceptions work... do the magic have to use all of the $10M trade exception? does it really work exactly like a $10M contract?

i believe the trade exception works as if you were under the sal cap for that amount so they can absorb sal up to the amount of the tpe in a trade.
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7/9/2009  10:51 AM
Posted by EwingsGlass:

I think he was referring to Jeffries.

no, i mean orlando can't trade the exemption and reddick.

they can trade the exemption + #1 pick or rights to a players not under contract but they can't combine the exemption with a player.
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7/9/2009  10:57 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by EwingsGlass:

I think he was referring to Jeffries.

no, i mean orlando can't trade the exemption and reddick.

they can trade the exemption + #1 pick or rights to a players not under contract but they can't combine the exemption with a player.

Then there's no deal here that gets rid of Jeffries.

It would be DLee for the exception and Vazquez rights.

The exception is worth gold in this economy. Especially as teams try to shed salary to avoid paying tax and to get the tax disbursement. We could break up the exception into a couple chunks and get some #1 picks out of it.

I still do this deal.

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7/9/2009  10:58 AM
knicks could still trade lee + jeffries but the exemption has to be more than both their salaries combined.

the exemption is also used for up to 1 calendar year. the thing tho is that with the knicks being under the cap next year, the exemption is useless.
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7/9/2009  10:59 AM
Clearly they cannot combine Reddick... but they can split the exception and use it on two different players in two different trades. I don't think they could acquire two players in one trade using the exception.

Also, ESPN is reporting that the trade exception is only $7M.
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7/9/2009  11:01 AM
Posted by EwingsGlass:

Clearly they cannot combine Reddick... but they can split the exception and use it on two different players in two different trades. I don't think they could acquire two players in one trade using the exception.

Also, ESPN is reporting that the trade exception is only $7M.

i don't think you can split the exemption either.
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7/9/2009  11:04 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by EwingsGlass:

Clearly they cannot combine Reddick... but they can split the exception and use it on two different players in two different trades. I don't think they could acquire two players in one trade using the exception.

Also, ESPN is reporting that the trade exception is only $7M.

i don't think you can split the exemption either.

you definitely can.

From NBA CBA FAQ:
"Teams can consume only part of a Traded Player exception, in which case they can still use the remainder in a future trade. For example, if a team trades a $4 million player for a $2 million player, they gain a $2.1 million Traded Player exception. If they later trade a draft pick for a $1 million player, they still have $1.1 million remaining to acquire more players and complete the trade (until one year from the date of the original trade)."
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7/9/2009  11:05 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by EwingsGlass:

Clearly they cannot combine Reddick... but they can split the exception and use it on two different players in two different trades. I don't think they could acquire two players in one trade using the exception.

Also, ESPN is reporting that the trade exception is only $7M.

I believe Orlando also has 2 other exemptions for Dooling and M. Wilks that total $3M.

i don't think you can split the exemption either.
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7/9/2009  11:08 AM
Posted by EwingsGlass:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by EwingsGlass:

Clearly they cannot combine Reddick... but they can split the exception and use it on two different players in two different trades. I don't think they could acquire two players in one trade using the exception.

Also, ESPN is reporting that the trade exception is only $7M.

i don't think you can split the exemption either.

you definitely can.

From NBA CBA FAQ:
"Teams can consume only part of a Traded Player exception, in which case they can still use the remainder in a future trade. For example, if a team trades a $4 million player for a $2 million player, they gain a $2.1 million Traded Player exception. If they later trade a draft pick for a $1 million player, they still have $1.1 million remaining to acquire more players and complete the trade (until one year from the date of the original trade)."

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