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7/9/2009  10:25 PM
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Posted by Paladin55:

Re: Moreau: Standouts In Orlando

He sure as heck give a good review of Holiday, somebody I had prepared myself for in terms of the Knicks picking at 8.

I don't know what he has been watching but Jrue Holiday has been brutal running his team. His 14 TO vs. 12 assists and 30 % shooting and teams 0-4 record should give a clue.

Yeah from the other reviews I read him and Maynor are having a rough time showing that they are ready to run a team. I'm not that surprise by Holiday because he is young but Maynor is shocking.

Jrue Holiday might be good down the line--perhaps after 2-3 years of grooming. Right now I wouldnt even consider him a PG--they played other players at the point at times and Holiday off the ball. He is much more of a combo guard and his arse will be seeing a lot of pine.
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7/9/2009  10:54 PM
philly board on realgm was mostly pro holiday's overall performance giving him a pass on his o numbers since phi-nj are doing the mix squad no real sets thing in Orlando.
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7/9/2009  11:26 PM
Posted by McK1:

philly board on realgm was mostly pro holiday's overall performance giving him a pass on his o numbers since phi-nj are doing the mix squad no real sets thing in Orlando.

He's pick 17--what are they going to say? To me the PG is the guy who sets the tempo and he couldnt set any tempo he couldnt shoot and played out of control. I mean he wasnt very productive at UCLA--why would he be productive in the pros in year 1? It wasnt a lack of PT--he just wasnt that great. He's got the size moxy and defensive skills to have a possible Chauncey Billups type career--kind of bumble around for 2-4 years before finding his game. He's going to have to be judged after multi years

Also for example of PG play AJ Price pick 52 played the game much better than Holiday--he might not be as physically talented but he knows how to play. He knows the pick and roll--he knew when to pass and when to shoot--a big part of being the PG is knowing what to do on the court--setting the tempo and putting the ball where it needs to go. Indiana was 4-0 because they were the smartest team out of the 6--that and Hibbert Tyler H were very rough inside.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 07-09-2009 11:38 PM]
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7/9/2009  11:56 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:



He's pick 17--what are they going to say?

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 07-09-2009 11:38 PM]

why didn't we take Lawson or Maynor?
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He's pick 17--what are they going to say? To me the PG is the guy who sets the tempo and he couldnt set any tempo he couldnt shoot and played out of control. I mean he wasnt very productive at UCLA--why would he be productive in the pros in year 1? It wasnt a lack of PT--he just wasnt that great. He's got the size moxy and defensive skills to have a possible Chauncey Billups type career--kind of bumble around for 2-4 years before finding his game. He's going to have to be judged after multi years

Also for example of PG play AJ Price pick 52 played the game much better than Holiday--he might not be as physically talented but he knows how to play. He knows the pick and roll--he knew when to pass and when to shoot--a big part of being the PG is knowing what to do on the court--setting the tempo and putting the ball where it needs to go. Indiana was 4-0 because they were the smartest team out of the 6--that and Hibbert Tyler H were very rough inside.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 07-09-2009 11:38 PM]



I agree, he in't ready now and Philly trying to re-sign Miller is the biggest sign of that. I don't think he'll bounce around like Billups though. Billups was a knucklehead. Jrue appears to be a good kid.

In a totally unobjective world, I think Jennings should've been the pick at 8. I think he'll be a star.

In the world of NY, I think Clyde would've took to Jrue like he took to Collins and in a couple years he'd know what it is to command out on the floor and would've been a load. Eddie Jordan as a first coach though should help him get there as well.
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7/10/2009  12:20 AM
Posted by Paladin55:

Re: Moreau: Standouts In Orlando

He sure as heck give a good review of Holiday, somebody I had prepared myself for in terms of the Knicks picking at 8.



I didn't see the same things he did. actually, I think JRue is overdribbling and his shot is terrible so far....
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7/10/2009  9:19 AM
GAME 1: Oklahoma City Thunder (3-1) 83, New Jersey Nets/Philadelphia 76ers 62 (0-4)

STUDS: Byron Mullens, formerly known as B.J. Mullens, was criticized by some at Ohio State and the Big 10 Conference for declaring for the NBA after his freshman season. But he’s showing this summer that he could possibly challenge for playing time with the Thunder.

Mullens had 18 points and five rebounds on Thursday against Philly’s Marreese Speights. He made nine of 12 shots, some of them on his own doing and some of them by remaining active for feeds from Russell Westbrook (nine assists).

Mullens, who is often miscast as a center because o f his 7-foot, 275-pound frame, but he plays more like a power forward. He’s shown good lateral quickness, better-than-average hands and the ability to knock down the jumper from the elbow. If he can become a better rebounder and tougher in traffic, he could cut into Nenad Krstic’s playing time this season at center.
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7/10/2009  9:21 AM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by Paladin55:

Re: Moreau: Standouts In Orlando

He sure as heck give a good review of Holiday, somebody I had prepared myself for in terms of the Knicks picking at 8.



I didn't see the same things he did. actually, I think JRue is overdribbling and his shot is terrible so far....

DUDS: New Sixers coach Eddie Jordan was the first to say he wasn’t very comfortable at all with the idea of combining players from Philadelphia and New Jersey, and it’s easy to see why now. The Nets/Sixers team is 0-4 and has been hardly competitive so far. Marreese Speights
, a center with seemingly load s of promise, has been a disappointment inside. Chris Douglas-Roberts has played well (13.5 ppg. on 48.4 percent shooting), but he’s had little help. Terrence Williams, the No. 11 pick of the draft, can fill up a boxscore (14 points, five rebounds, two assists, two steals and a block on Thursday), but his decision-making has been questionable at best most of the tournament. Both he and Philly rookie point guard Jrue Holiday have 14 turnovers each through four games.
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7/10/2009  9:32 AM
why did Jersey and Sixers combine teams? To save money or something?

Can't think of a worse idea when trying to build and evaluate young players.
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7/10/2009  9:46 AM
Posted by martin:

why did Jersey and Sixers combine teams? To save money or something?

Can't think of a worse idea when trying to build and evaluate young players.

It was an awful team to watch--an embarrassment for the NBA even if it's SL. I can't go into how bad that team was. Maybe that skewed some of the players performances. Derrick Brown played on Utah's team but the team was coached well organized and competitive
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7/10/2009  9:47 AM
Posted by martin:

why did Jersey and Sixers combine teams? To save money or something?

Can't think of a worse idea when trying to build and evaluate young players.
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7/10/2009  11:18 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Paladin55:

Re: Moreau: Standouts In Orlando

He sure as heck give a good review of Holiday, somebody I had prepared myself for in terms of the Knicks picking at 8.

I don't know what he has been watching but Jrue Holiday has been brutal running his team. His 14 TO vs. 12 assists and 30 % shooting and teams 0-4 record should give a clue.

Yeah from the other reviews I read him and Maynor are having a rough time showing that they are ready to run a team. I'm not that surprise by Holiday because he is young but Maynor is shocking.

Just from looking at the boxscores, Maynor has done great, but like I said that's just from looking at the boxscores. I believe his A/TO is 11/4 which ain't bad. 8ppg, 4rpg as well. I dunno, that seems pretty good to me.

I think he exploded for one of his last games in assists but was quiet in his first two games. I think the reviewer was shock about his turnovers given his experience and resume. I saw another review that blamed his troubles on his teammates for not completing plays. Unfortunately, I can't watch these damn games to tell for myself. Are the games on the NBA channel?
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7/10/2009  12:52 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Paladin55:

Re: Moreau: Standouts In Orlando

He sure as heck give a good review of Holiday, somebody I had prepared myself for in terms of the Knicks picking at 8.

I don't know what he has been watching but Jrue Holiday has been brutal running his team. His 14 TO vs. 12 assists and 30 % shooting and teams 0-4 record should give a clue.

Edit: his game last night looked poor. 2 pts, 1 assist, 2to.

Yeah from the other reviews I read him and Maynor are having a rough time showing that they are ready to run a team. I'm not that surprise by Holiday because he is young but Maynor is shocking.

Just from looking at the boxscores, Maynor has done great, but like I said that's just from looking at the boxscores. I believe his A/TO is 11/4 which ain't bad. 8ppg, 4rpg as well. I dunno, that seems pretty good to me.

I think he exploded for one of his last games in assists but was quiet in his first two games. I think the reviewer was shock about his turnovers given his experience and resume. I saw another review that blamed his troubles on his teammates for not completing plays. Unfortunately, I can't watch these damn games to tell for myself. Are the games on the NBA channel?

I'm not trying to be a dick, but I gotta protect my boy! lol. He had two games of 4 assists and one of 3. I'm not sure what channel these games are on either, whatever it is, I don't have it haha. Too bad, I was hoping to watch him.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 07-10-2009 12:53 PM]
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7/10/2009  1:08 PM
you can watch the games on the internet. go to Orlando's team website. there is a link to watch the games
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7/10/2009  1:10 PM
Posted by McK1:

you can watch the games on the internet. go to Orlando's team website. there is a link to watch the games

thks.
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7/10/2009  1:12 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Pharzeone:
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Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Paladin55:

Re: Moreau: Standouts In Orlando

He sure as heck give a good review of Holiday, somebody I had prepared myself for in terms of the Knicks picking at 8.

I don't know what he has been watching but Jrue Holiday has been brutal running his team. His 14 TO vs. 12 assists and 30 % shooting and teams 0-4 record should give a clue.

Edit: his game last night looked poor. 2 pts, 1 assist, 2to.

Yeah from the other reviews I read him and Maynor are having a rough time showing that they are ready to run a team. I'm not that surprise by Holiday because he is young but Maynor is shocking.

Just from looking at the boxscores, Maynor has done great, but like I said that's just from looking at the boxscores. I believe his A/TO is 11/4 which ain't bad. 8ppg, 4rpg as well. I dunno, that seems pretty good to me.

I think he exploded for one of his last games in assists but was quiet in his first two games. I think the reviewer was shock about his turnovers given his experience and resume. I saw another review that blamed his troubles on his teammates for not completing plays. Unfortunately, I can't watch these damn games to tell for myself. Are the games on the NBA channel?

I'm not trying to be a dick, but I gotta protect my boy! lol. He had two games of 4 assists and one of 3. I'm not sure what channel these games are on either, whatever it is, I don't have it haha. Too bad, I was hoping to watch him.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 07-10-2009 12:53 PM]

Oh, I really like Maynor too. I still think he can step in a run a team. I just don't like the fact that he landed with a team that has a young star at the position on it.
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7/10/2009  2:43 PM
Thks, Mck1. You can the games live too. Tyler Hansborough looks very impressive.
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7/10/2009  2:44 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

Thks, Mck1. You can the games live too. Tyler Hansborough looks very impressive.

just hope he's not better than hill...
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7/10/2009  2:44 PM
Hilbert looks a lot better too.

[Edited by - pharzeone on 07-10-2009 2:45 PM]
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7/10/2009  2:47 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Thks, Mck1. You can the games live too. Tyler Hansborough looks very impressive.

just hope he's not better than hill...

True. He has problem with later quickness but his game and Hilbert's have been the difference in the game so far.
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7/10/2009  6:12 PM
Stephen Curry today
36 minutes
16pts (4-14 overall; 3-8 from 3; 5-6 fr the line)
3 assists
4 tos
1 reb
2 stls
7 fouls

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