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sebstar
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7/6/2009  6:30 PM
Ok then, well if AK-47 is so great, then why isnt he getting the minutes? And is AK-47's output anywhere near his salary stucture> Simple questions.

See, then we have to add speculation on top of speculation. Comparing the level of competition...as a sub, AK-47 probably feasts on lesser opponents. As a sub, outside of top rotation, how much garbage time is he playing in.

I dunno, all I know is this. Sloan HATES Ak-47 and the Jazz clearly regret the deal. Just watching AK-47 against the Lakers, he has clearly lost his feel for the game and is a basic role player with good skills. He is being paid superstar money and he is in the thick of a major deal.

He's living off his name value. Duke lost it a long time ago, for whatever reason.
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7/6/2009  7:04 PM
Ok then, well if AK-47 is so great,
Did not say that
why isnt he getting the minutes?
Being deemed worthy of 27 mpg on a winning team impresses me a lot more than being deemed worthy of 35 mpg on a losing team
is AK-47's output anywhere near his salary stucture
No, the production of NONE of the players being discussed (AK-47, Al, Mobley, Curry) is. That's a separate topic.
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7/6/2009  7:12 PM
the rise of Deron coincided with the fall of AK. he just isn't the same player without the ball in his hands. Can't blame sloan though, Williams is much better. IMO the rift came when AK didn't adapt, ie improve his spot up shooting and extend his range to fit better with Deron.

so if you trade for AK, the question becomes if you make him a focal point of the team will he return to the guy that gave you 15 7 and 5 with 2 stls and 3 blocks?
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7/6/2009  7:30 PM
I wish AK-47 thought of himself as highly as you guys do....

Anyway Curry and Harrington for T-mac replaces Artests production. Too bad they over paid for Ariza....trading T-Mac for Al and Curry woulda made mad sense.
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7/6/2009  7:30 PM
Posted by McK1:

the rise of Deron coincided with the fall of AK. he just isn't the same player without the ball in his hands. Can't blame sloan though, Williams is much better. IMO the rift came when AK didn't adapt, ie improve his spot up shooting and extend his range to fit better with Deron.

so if you trade for AK, the question becomes if you make him a focal point of the team will he return to the guy that gave you 15 7 and 5 with 2 stls and 3 blocks?

Wow, I don't know about him returning to that level. I don't think he needs to return to that level either in order to make a T-Mac for AK deal worthwhile to an organization that is not gonna attract big FAs in 2010 anyway.
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7/6/2009  7:30 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

I wish AK-47 thought of himself as highly as you guys do....

Anyway Curry and Harrington for T-mac replaces Artests production. Too bad they over paid for Ariza....trading T-Mac for Al and Curry woulda made mad sense.
Maybe on offense...
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7/6/2009  7:31 PM
Posted by McK1:

the rise of Deron coincided with the fall of AK. he just isn't the same player without the ball in his hands. Can't blame sloan though, Williams is much better. IMO the rift came when AK didn't adapt, ie improve his spot up shooting and extend his range to fit better with Deron.

so if you trade for AK, the question becomes if you make him a focal point of the team will he return to the guy that gave you 15 7 and 5 with 2 stls and 3 blocks?

i equate it more to boozers arrival and ak moving from pf to sf...
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7/6/2009  8:01 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by McK1:

the rise of Deron coincided with the fall of AK. he just isn't the same player without the ball in his hands. Can't blame sloan though, Williams is much better. IMO the rift came when AK didn't adapt, ie improve his spot up shooting and extend his range to fit better with Deron.

so if you trade for AK, the question becomes if you make him a focal point of the team will he return to the guy that gave you 15 7 and 5 with 2 stls and 3 blocks?

i equate it more to boozers arrival and ak moving from pf to sf...

ak47
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3347/career;_ylt=Ai4UTJ9JeMioB6J45ERBwt5lPKB4

boozer
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3632/career;_ylt=Ai4UTJ9JeMioB6J45ERBwt69PKB4

boozers first yr ak avg'd 15.6 pts 6.2 rebs 3.2 assts 1.6 stls 3.3 blks while shooting 49% and 78% from the line.

deron became a starter his 2nd season, 06-07. look how far AK's numbers fell

[Edited by - McK1 on 07-06-2009 8:02 PM]
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7/6/2009  8:56 PM
Posted by VDesai:

I dunno AK looks forked out there to me. He gets about a quarter of blocks he used too....can't make his shots anymore, doesn't hit the boards quite as well. He has slipped quite a bit.

we're talking in relative terms here... is AK worth the contract he's making? clearly not... is he a better player & more desirable to have on your team than Curry? absolutely IMHO.
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7/6/2009  9:22 PM
I think AK would benefit from a change in scenery. I don't think he's as good as he was but I don't think he's as bad as he's been either. I'd love to get him after 2010 FA... I mean, if Boris Diaw can play center in system...
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7/6/2009  11:12 PM
Fook AK, he is irrelevant here.

Houstan has been gutted. They have to move Tmac for some prduction. They lost Yao, Artest and have needs.

this does not need to be done until Eddy is play worthy. He is not mega money and solves some low post need.
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7/7/2009  3:40 AM
what if curry + wilson chandler + filler for tmac.......sounds like a decent deal for 2010 but i would hate to lose chandler for ANYTHING...
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7/7/2009  7:38 AM
Why not flip Curry to Utah for AK? Then you can go with PG-Chandler-AK-Gallo-Hill. Flip Lee and Jefferies for Bayless, Blake, and Outlaw. The contract you are taking on with AK os offset by the fact you are shedding Jefferies and Curry. Maybe you even have enough to resign Nate.

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7/7/2009  7:44 AM
I highly, highly doubt they're that desperate to get rid of AK!
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7/7/2009  8:48 AM
If nobody wants Dalembert why would they take Eddy?

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According to NBA sources, Stefanski wasn't inquiring about Tracy McGrady, but only to see if Houston was interested in Dalembert.

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7/7/2009  9:07 AM
How about this deal plus 3 million in cash to Houston

Houston trades:
Brent Barry
Brian Cook
Tracy McGrady

New York trades:
Cuttino Mobley
Al Harrington
Eddy Curry

I think this deal is pretty fair for Houston they save almost 12 million dollars so Curry is essentially playing for free next year. If he gives them something it's a huge plus, if he doesn't Harrington can at least get you 20pts a night which they need with Brooks, Ariza, Battier, Scola....
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7/7/2009  9:25 AM
To get T-Mac the Knicks have to offer better players than what the Knicks are offering. If we don't want Curry what makes people think the Rockets who have just lost Yao and Artest want washed up players? Also keep in mind the Rockets also want to sign players in 2010. There are teams in the NBA that can give better deals than what we are offering. You don't go from Yao to Eddy Curry who is mentally and physically damage.
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7/7/2009  9:29 AM
Posted by BigC:

To get T-Mac the Knicks have to offer better players than what the Knicks are offering. If we don't want Curry what makes people think the Rockets who have just lost Yao and Artest want washed up players? Also keep in mind the Rockets also want to sign players in 2010. There are teams in the NBA that can give better deals than what we are offering. You don't go from Yao to Eddy Curry who is mentally and physically damage.

To "Get TMAC"?

He's a washed up injured dumbass of a player. Nobody is trading FOR TMAC they're trading for his contract and hoping to dump trash on the Rockets.

And, again, if the Rockets said no to Dalembert, who is dumb as rocks but is at least able to play basketball, why would they want Curry!?

....and as someone posted above Al Harrington might be the guy that helps us dump Eddy. I'd even use Harrington to dump FishLips. Nate, Lee, Harrington, Chandler - any one of those guys can and should be used to drop Curry or FishLips - but if it's Lee - I want a pick back in return.
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7/7/2009  9:30 AM
With Ariza and Battier on the roster, don't think Houston would want Chandler any more.
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7/7/2009  9:57 AM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by BigC:

To get T-Mac the Knicks have to offer better players than what the Knicks are offering. If we don't want Curry what makes people think the Rockets who have just lost Yao and Artest want washed up players? Also keep in mind the Rockets also want to sign players in 2010. There are teams in the NBA that can give better deals than what we are offering. You don't go from Yao to Eddy Curry who is mentally and physically damage.

To "Get TMAC"?

He's a washed up injured dumbass of a player. Nobody is trading FOR TMAC they're trading for his contract and hoping to dump trash on the Rockets.

And, again, if the Rockets said no to Dalembert, who is dumb as rocks but is at least able to play basketball, why would they want Curry!?

....and as someone posted above Al Harrington might be the guy that helps us dump Eddy. I'd even use Harrington to dump FishLips. Nate, Lee, Harrington, Chandler - any one of those guys can and should be used to drop Curry or FishLips - but if it's Lee - I want a pick back in return.

T-Mac still has value in Houston's eyes. There is no team in their right mind that wants Curry. Curry has more baggage than lost and found at JFK Airport. I can't think of a player in the league right that has more problems than Curry. If T-Mac is that bad they could just let his contract expire. Why would the Rockets take Curry and Al harrington? The Rockets have Ariza and Battier at the forward spots. They don't need Al Harrington. Also they have Aaron Brooks. So there also is no need for Nate. Keep in mind the Rockets still have to sell tickets. Telling the fans that they are going to see Al Harrington over T-mac next year would be suicide. It's bad enough they lost Yao for the season.

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