Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by McK1:

A plan with so many what ifs and supposeds really isn't that good of a plan.

Life involves "what if"s; you can't avoid them. The difference between a good and a bad plan is whether or not there are good or bad solutions to each "what if." There are good solutions to the "what if"s when the plan is to have cap space and reasonably paid players. There are poor solutions to the "what if"s when the plan is to keep Zach, Jamal, an overpaid Lee, Eddy, and company.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 07-05-2009 2:46 PM]

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by VDesai:

The fact that there even are "what ifs" are a positive in terms of allowing yourself financial flexibility. Having flexibility gives you options. What we've been doing for the past 10 or 11 years doesn't.

i see the positives to the pro 2010 camp.

but i also strongly believe that the 2010 plan was not needed. with d'antoni in the house, and with teams looking to dump major players at 5 cents on the dollar, knicks could've really stocked up like no other team. we're not talking about s&t for jamal crawford or eddy curry...we're looking at guys like camby, diddy, vince, artest, etc. and if d'antoni is the great coach he is believed to be, he would've made it work and made it work big time.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 07-05-2009 2:59 PM]

Posted by VDesai:

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by VDesai:

The fact that there even are "what ifs" are a positive in terms of allowing yourself financial flexibility. Having flexibility gives you options. What we've been doing for the past 10 or 11 years doesn't.

i see the positives to the pro 2010 camp.

but i also strongly believe that the 2010 plan was not needed. with d'antoni in the house, and with teams looking to dump major players at 5 cents on the dollar, knicks could've really stocked up like no other team. we're not talking about s&t for jamal crawford or eddy curry...we're looking at guys like camby, diddy, vince, artest, etc. and if d'antoni is the great coach he is believed to be, he would've made it work and made it work big time.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 07-05-2009 2:59 PM]

Maybe- I'm not convinced those players were championship guys either. Diddy and Vince have plenty of parallels to Marbury. Camby is aging and Artest is timebomb. Maybe you can get 2-3 of those guys but certainly not all. And actually managing to acquire most or all of them without giving up your picks and young players would've been virtually impossible, and if unsuccessful, basically would've screwed us for another half dozen or so years.

Posted by bitty41:

Posted by VDesai:

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by VDesai:

The fact that there even are "what ifs" are a positive in terms of allowing yourself financial flexibility. Having flexibility gives you options. What we've been doing for the past 10 or 11 years doesn't.

i see the positives to the pro 2010 camp.

but i also strongly believe that the 2010 plan was not needed. with d'antoni in the house, and with teams looking to dump major players at 5 cents on the dollar, knicks could've really stocked up like no other team. we're not talking about s&t for jamal crawford or eddy curry...we're looking at guys like camby, diddy, vince, artest, etc. and if d'antoni is the great coach he is believed to be, he would've made it work and made it work big time.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 07-05-2009 2:59 PM]

Maybe- I'm not convinced those players were championship guys either. Diddy and Vince have plenty of parallels to Marbury. Camby is aging and Artest is timebomb. Maybe you can get 2-3 of those guys but certainly not all. And actually managing to acquire most or all of them without giving up your picks and young players would've been virtually impossible, and if unsuccessful, basically would've screwed us for another half dozen or so years.

Who are Championship guys in your opinion? Seriously what players would people on this board be satisfied with?

Posted by Marv:

Posted by bitty41:

Posted by VDesai:

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by VDesai:

The fact that there even are "what ifs" are a positive in terms of allowing yourself financial flexibility. Having flexibility gives you options. What we've been doing for the past 10 or 11 years doesn't.

i see the positives to the pro 2010 camp.

but i also strongly believe that the 2010 plan was not needed. with d'antoni in the house, and with teams looking to dump major players at 5 cents on the dollar, knicks could've really stocked up like no other team. we're not talking about s&t for jamal crawford or eddy curry...we're looking at guys like camby, diddy, vince, artest, etc. and if d'antoni is the great coach he is believed to be, he would've made it work and made it work big time.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 07-05-2009 2:59 PM]

Maybe- I'm not convinced those players were championship guys either. Diddy and Vince have plenty of parallels to Marbury. Camby is aging and Artest is timebomb. Maybe you can get 2-3 of those guys but certainly not all. And actually managing to acquire most or all of them without giving up your picks and young players would've been virtually impossible, and if unsuccessful, basically would've screwed us for another half dozen or so years.

Who are Championship guys in your opinion? Seriously what players would people on this board be satisfied with?

Wade, Lebron, Amare, Bosh, Dirk, Joe Johnson, Rip Hamilton, Josh Howard, Brandon Roy, Rudy Gay, LaMarcus Aldridge, Rajon Rondo. we nab 2 of these and i'd say we're ready to make a run.

Players who are more efficient with their offense and give an above average effort on the defensive end are building block players. Those 4-5 guys can be part of a championship team, but more than likely would be a supporting player to a real building block.

Posted by bitty41:

Posted by Marv:

Posted by bitty41:

Posted by VDesai:

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by VDesai:

The fact that there even are "what ifs" are a positive in terms of allowing yourself financial flexibility. Having flexibility gives you options. What we've been doing for the past 10 or 11 years doesn't.

i see the positives to the pro 2010 camp.

but i also strongly believe that the 2010 plan was not needed. with d'antoni in the house, and with teams looking to dump major players at 5 cents on the dollar, knicks could've really stocked up like no other team. we're not talking about s&t for jamal crawford or eddy curry...we're looking at guys like camby, diddy, vince, artest, etc. and if d'antoni is the great coach he is believed to be, he would've made it work and made it work big time.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 07-05-2009 2:59 PM]

Maybe- I'm not convinced those players were championship guys either. Diddy and Vince have plenty of parallels to Marbury. Camby is aging and Artest is timebomb. Maybe you can get 2-3 of those guys but certainly not all. And actually managing to acquire most or all of them without giving up your picks and young players would've been virtually impossible, and if unsuccessful, basically would've screwed us for another half dozen or so years.

Who are Championship guys in your opinion? Seriously what players would people on this board be satisfied with?

Wade, Lebron, Amare, Bosh, Dirk, Joe Johnson, Rip Hamilton, Josh Howard, Brandon Roy, Rudy Gay, LaMarcus Aldridge, Rajon Rondo. we nab 2 of these and i'd say we're ready to make a run.

Is there really a difference between these guys and Andre Miller, Ben Gordon, Ron Artest, Andre Iguodala, Devin Harris, Michael Redd, Carlos Boozer, Chauncey Billups, Danny Granger, and your probably thinking what is my point; well I just think that the players everyone believes the Knicks should wait for is or could be readily available. At the end of the day there really isn't a difference in the level of talent (if we're talking about all-star caliber players). Now I'll give you LBJ and D-Wade are special players but with them on your team there are no guarantees.

Posted by bitty41:

Marv,

What's a bad contract because on the face Rashard Lewis's contract is ridiculous but Orlando has since gone to the Finals. The big problem with our young core is that someone is not going have the growth the needed because of limited minutes. Does MDA stifle Gallo's minutes for Hill and what if Lee is still here then Gallo and Hill will see even less minutes. How is Chandler going to truly develop if you have Al Harrington on the roster? If your going that direction then draft players and commit to them don't turn around the next year and draft the same position. Or trade for players that will impede the growth of your young players.

[Edited by - bitty41 on 07-05-2009 3:51 PM]

Posted by BasketballJones:

Posted by Marv:

Posted by bitty41:

Marv,

What's a bad contract because on the face Rashard Lewis's contract is ridiculous but Orlando has since gone to the Finals.

bitty when i said addding additional bad contracts i meant like taking on penny's in order to acquire steph.

How was that bad?