Posted by arkrud:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by fishmike:

I have been one of Lee's biggest fans and supporters over the years. I think his production is valuable. I think his passing is underrated and makes things easier on other players. I think he's got a great hands and runs the floor like a deer. I thought the Knicks should have looked to move him and Nate last Jan when their value was at its highest, or commit to keeping them.

I did sour on Lee some as the season went on. Losing takes its toll, I have played on losing teams and it changes your approach at times, thats just human nature. Many times we have seen career "losers" really change when they were in better siutations. Chris Webber comes to mind.

But Lee totally quit in the 2nd half last year, and I know the coaching staff took notice. Cant count the number of times I saw Dantoni throw his hands up in disgust because Lee just gave up on defense or didnt try.

Its one thing to be a poor defender. Allan Houston was a poor defender, but his effort was always there. Lee doesnt give that and thats a warning flag. I could see that changing as the team becomes better but if you asking for big money you need to put out big effort.

I think the 4 year $32mm number is perfect. Thats 6.5, 7.5, 8.5 and 9.5

If he wants to hold out for that 5 year $55mm deal get it somewhere else.

i'm with fish here... D Lee was 10 times more concerned about collecting his double doubles last year than he was on playing Defense, let's be honest... looked a whole lot to me like a player looking to cash in on a big payday after the season was over... i love the effort he showed on grabbing rebounds & scoring points, but he showed none of that effort when playing defense... u can say the same about many other players on this team but that doesn't excuse them from criticism.

Don't you think Lee's "intentional" luck of effort on D' will cost him big time in getting big contract?
He is not good at D' and he is working on it and will continue to work on it if he want to succeed as player in NBA.
You and Eny for some reason positive that DLee will never progress in anything he does or even regress...
What makes you think so?

& where do u draw those baseless assumptions from?

Posted by Uptown:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by fishmike:

^^ TMS and I'm looking to give anyone else on this squad a 5 year $50mm extension while letting Lee walk.

I love Nate's scoring and still wish we would look at him at PG for some sample of games but oh well. Either way his D sucked too and I'm not giving any of these guys big money till the effort matches

not so fast, i don't wanna let Lee walk for nothing... Walsh better find a suitable trading partner for Lee if he can't get him signed to a reasonable contract this offseason... if he walks & we don't get anything back for him i'm gonna be pissed.

I can understand being a little ticked if we dont get anything back for Lee, but as of right now, whats more valuable to you? Letting Lee walk and gaining cap space, or possibly overpaying and jeapardizing our possible cap relief?

Posted by TMS:

Posted by arkrud:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by fishmike:

I have been one of Lee's biggest fans and supporters over the years. I think his production is valuable. I think his passing is underrated and makes things easier on other players. I think he's got a great hands and runs the floor like a deer. I thought the Knicks should have looked to move him and Nate last Jan when their value was at its highest, or commit to keeping them.

I did sour on Lee some as the season went on. Losing takes its toll, I have played on losing teams and it changes your approach at times, thats just human nature. Many times we have seen career "losers" really change when they were in better siutations. Chris Webber comes to mind.

But Lee totally quit in the 2nd half last year, and I know the coaching staff took notice. Cant count the number of times I saw Dantoni throw his hands up in disgust because Lee just gave up on defense or didnt try.

Its one thing to be a poor defender. Allan Houston was a poor defender, but his effort was always there. Lee doesnt give that and thats a warning flag. I could see that changing as the team becomes better but if you asking for big money you need to put out big effort.

I think the 4 year $32mm number is perfect. Thats 6.5, 7.5, 8.5 and 9.5

If he wants to hold out for that 5 year $55mm deal get it somewhere else.

i'm with fish here... D Lee was 10 times more concerned about collecting his double doubles last year than he was on playing Defense, let's be honest... looked a whole lot to me like a player looking to cash in on a big payday after the season was over... i love the effort he showed on grabbing rebounds & scoring points, but he showed none of that effort when playing defense... u can say the same about many other players on this team but that doesn't excuse them from criticism.

Don't you think Lee's "intentional" luck of effort on D' will cost him big time in getting big contract?
He is not good at D' and he is working on it and will continue to work on it if he want to succeed as player in NBA.
You and Eny for some reason positive that DLee will never progress in anything he does or even regress...
What makes you think so?

& where do u draw those baseless assumptions from?

If my assumptions are baseless and you also think that Lee will improve; why you want to get read of him for all cost just to get some questionable "value" or cap space, which can or cannot bring us anything useful? It is all about attitude not about common sense.

[Edited by - arkrud on 07-03-2009 07:13 AM]

Posted by arkrud:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by arkrud:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by fishmike:

I have been one of Lee's biggest fans and supporters over the years. I think his production is valuable. I think his passing is underrated and makes things easier on other players. I think he's got a great hands and runs the floor like a deer. I thought the Knicks should have looked to move him and Nate last Jan when their value was at its highest, or commit to keeping them.

I did sour on Lee some as the season went on. Losing takes its toll, I have played on losing teams and it changes your approach at times, thats just human nature. Many times we have seen career "losers" really change when they were in better siutations. Chris Webber comes to mind.

But Lee totally quit in the 2nd half last year, and I know the coaching staff took notice. Cant count the number of times I saw Dantoni throw his hands up in disgust because Lee just gave up on defense or didnt try.

Its one thing to be a poor defender. Allan Houston was a poor defender, but his effort was always there. Lee doesnt give that and thats a warning flag. I could see that changing as the team becomes better but if you asking for big money you need to put out big effort.

I think the 4 year $32mm number is perfect. Thats 6.5, 7.5, 8.5 and 9.5

If he wants to hold out for that 5 year $55mm deal get it somewhere else.

i'm with fish here... D Lee was 10 times more concerned about collecting his double doubles last year than he was on playing Defense, let's be honest... looked a whole lot to me like a player looking to cash in on a big payday after the season was over... i love the effort he showed on grabbing rebounds & scoring points, but he showed none of that effort when playing defense... u can say the same about many other players on this team but that doesn't excuse them from criticism.

Don't you think Lee's "intentional" luck of effort on D' will cost him big time in getting big contract?
He is not good at D' and he is working on it and will continue to work on it if he want to succeed as player in NBA.
You and Eny for some reason positive that DLee will never progress in anything he does or even regress...
What makes you think so?

& where do u draw those baseless assumptions from?

If my assumptions are baseless and you also think that Lee will improve; why you want to get read of him for all cost just to get some questionable "value" or cap space, which can or cannot bring us anything useful? It is all about attitude not about common sense.

[Edited by - arkrud on 07-03-2009 07:13 AM]

read over my posts... i said trade him for expirings & draft picks... that nets us cap space AND future assets... last time i checked future assets & cap space are useful commodities, especially in the 2010 plan... it's all about reading comprehension, not attitude.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by BasketballJones:

I value King's presence here. Sometimes he provides us with useful, timely information.

Obviously he is more a David Lee advocate than a Knick fan, but we all know that, so what's the big deal?

Agreed but I doubt that continues if Lee is not on the team next year.

To make everyone feel more comfortable having him around, he could be put on double secret probation. Rumor has it that there is a little known codicil in the UK charter that allows this to be done by an secret committee of UK "Guardians."

Just a thought.