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6/29/2009  12:00 AM
Vescey is probably pissed off because Jennings would have given him so many things to write about.
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6/29/2009  12:10 AM
Vecesey would be going off if the Knicks drafted Jennings. That is why this entire thread is so ridiculous especially on a forum where people know about NY sports, the tabloids and the writers styles. Vecesey is doing what he always does and he spins things to make his points which are based on being contrary to what the GM of the Knicks is doing no matter what.
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6/29/2009  7:24 AM
Posted by McK1:

walsh has already stated he won't jeopardize the 2010 money for Nate and Lee so its not out there to assume he either lets them walk or trades them for contracts that expire after next season.

and he doesn't say nor insinuate we should've kept Craw and Z-Bo till the end of their contracts. Vecsey questions why it was so imperative to move em both 2 seasons prior to 2010. And please don't spew the well Zach could get in trouble and make him untradeable crap. His contract with less money on it would be just as moveable as it was in November.

[Edited by - McK1 on 06-28-2009 6:34 PM]

Wait? Zach was hurt last year & had a DUI charge. And since the Zach trade, the economy tanked and teams in general have become more frugal. I never thought Zach could be moved, and I bet had Zach not been moved when he was, we'd still be stuck with him.

And Crap Head is saying we could have made the play offs with Zach, Crawford and Marbury. But we already saw that play out the year before.

Sorry, at some point when something isn't working, you take a different approach.

As far as the games being unwatchable, I can watch the knicks lose now because there is a glimmer of hope. Under Isiah, there was no hope.
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6/29/2009  8:33 AM
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6/29/2009  10:06 AM
Posted by franco12:



I bet had Zach not been moved when he was, we'd still be stuck with him.

and you would've lost that bet. Grizz tried to trade Darko and fillers for Zach before he was traded to NY.
The Grizzlies and Clippers agreed in principle to a trade involving Zach Randolph, but Los Angeles owner Donald Sterling nixed the deal.

During Thursday night's NBA Draft, the two clubs worked out a deal centered around Randolph and Darko Milicic. Memphis guard Greg Buckner would have also been part of the trade.

After Sterling stopped the deal, the Grizzlies traded Milicic to the Knicks for Quentin Richardson
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6/29/2009  11:52 AM
Eh, Vescey was right about some things, and he was wrong about some things. The tone was definitely one of an obvious, negative bent --- so he was definitely trying to find evidence to fit his agenda.

I think the biggest indictment so far is the 08 draft, which Vescey hit upon. But the jury is still out on the Gallo pick.
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6/29/2009  12:04 PM
http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/60162/20090629/wolves_turned_down_knicks_offer_for_5th_pick/
The Knicks offered the Timberwolves the eighth pick and forward Wilson Chandler for the fifth selection in last week's NBA Draft.

Minnesota declined, and used the fifth overall pick on Ricky Rubio.

Reports indicate that New York would have used the selection on Rubio, not Stephen Curry.

Walsh would have deserved to get ripped for this deal if it would have went down. Id rather have Hill, Derozen, Jennings or whoever would have been available at 8 & Chandler then only Stephon Curry.

I don't believe it was Chandler & #8 for only #5. It was probably Chandler,#8, & #29 for #5 & #6. If Minny knew that we were going to take Stephon Curry with the #5 but they were able to keep there #6. Then they would have just taken Rubio at #6, as well as Flynn or Jennings at #8 and landed Chandler. Us Asking for the #5 & #5 so we could land Curry & Hill makes more sense. To Walsh's thinking as well to why Minny would turn down that deal.
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Posted by newyorknewyork:

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/60162/20090629/wolves_turned_down_knicks_offer_for_5th_pick/
The Knicks offered the Timberwolves the eighth pick and forward Wilson Chandler for the fifth selection in last week's NBA Draft.

Minnesota declined, and used the fifth overall pick on Ricky Rubio.

Reports indicate that New York would have used the selection on Rubio, not Stephen Curry.

Walsh would have deserved to get ripped for this deal if it would have went down. Id rather have Hill, Derozen, Jennings or whoever would have been available at 8 & Chandler then only Stephon Curry.

I don't believe it was Chandler & #8 for only #5. It was probably Chandler,#8, & #29 for #5 & #6. If Minny knew that we were going to take Stephon Curry with the #5 but they were able to keep there #6. Then they would have just taken Rubio at #6, as well as Flynn or Jennings at #8 and landed Chandler. Us Asking for the #5 & #5 so we could land Curry & Hill makes more sense. To Walsh's thinking as well to why Minny would turn down that deal.

Why on earth did the Wolves turn that down?
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6/29/2009  12:17 PM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by newyorknewyork:

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/60162/20090629/wolves_turned_down_knicks_offer_for_5th_pick/
The Knicks offered the Timberwolves the eighth pick and forward Wilson Chandler for the fifth selection in last week's NBA Draft.

Minnesota declined, and used the fifth overall pick on Ricky Rubio.

Reports indicate that New York would have used the selection on Rubio, not Stephen Curry.

Walsh would have deserved to get ripped for this deal if it would have went down. Id rather have Hill, Derozen, Jennings or whoever would have been available at 8 & Chandler then only Stephon Curry.

I don't believe it was Chandler & #8 for only #5. It was probably Chandler,#8, & #29 for #5 & #6. If Minny knew that we were going to take Stephon Curry with the #5 but they were able to keep there #6. Then they would have just taken Rubio at #6, as well as Flynn or Jennings at #8 and landed Chandler. Us Asking for the #5 & #5 so we could land Curry & Hill makes more sense. To Walsh's thinking as well to why Minny would turn down that deal.

Why on earth did the Wolves turn that down?

It has to be because we were asking for the #5 & #6 or it doesn't make sense for Walsh to offer that or Minny to decline it.
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6/29/2009  12:44 PM
Chandler is not as valuable as some would have you believe.

He isn't better than guys like Thorton or Young. Plus those guys actually have handle.

He is GREAT value for us since we picked him in the 20's but too other teams not so much.

I think Minny wants Thabeet.

3-way:
Memphis gets: Hill and Chandler
Minny gets: Thabeet
NY gets: Rubio

It depends on how much people value Rubio.

I would have preferred getting something done with Washington. Chandler and Hughs/Mobley would have been a steal.

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6/29/2009  12:55 PM
This is what pisses me off about idiotic posts. If Chandler isn't as valuable as others lead you to believe then how in the world can you get significant value for him in these idiotic trades.
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6/29/2009  1:19 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

This is what pisses me off about idiotic posts. If Chandler isn't as valuable as others lead you to believe then how in the world can you get significant value for him in these idiotic trades.

Simple.

If Chandler has a value of 1 and a team wants a value of 2 for a player/pick then you need Chandler + more value.
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Posted by AnubisADL:
Posted by Pharzeone:

This is what pisses me off about idiotic posts. If Chandler isn't as valuable as others lead you to believe then how in the world can you get significant value for him in these idiotic trades.

Simple.

If Chandler has a value of 1 and a team wants a value of 2 for a player/pick then you need Chandler + more value.

But now you assume that Hill now has more value than Chandler to get the deal done because you already stated that Chandler isn't valuable to other teams. If any team that picked before the Knicks thought Hill had that type of value why wouldn't they selected him. Simply put why wouldn't Memphis take him to begin with instead of Thabeet?
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6/29/2009  1:36 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

But now you assume that Hill now has more value than Chandler to get the deal done because you already stated that Chandler isn't valuable to other teams. If any team that picked before the Knicks thought Hill had that type of value why wouldn't they selected him. Simply put why wouldn't Memphis take him to begin with instead of Thabeet?

Chandler has plenty of flaws in his game. He isnt a good shooter and his handle is weak. He is decent starter material though.

I was just proposing a deal based on the following rumors:

1- Memphis wanted Love and pick for Thabeet
2- Minny does not want to part Love
3- NY offered Chandler and Hill for Rubio (Today)

I then looked at Memphis's roster and see they have a huge hole at PF and need a backup SF.

The trade was just a guess on my part.
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6/29/2009  5:12 PM
Posted by AnubisADL:

Chandler is not as valuable as some would have you believe.

He isn't better than guys like Thorton or Young. Plus those guys actually have handle.

Uh...ok, so there is better young talent in the NBA, but those two you just named arent significantly better. So whats your point?

Because Thorton and Young are slightly better stastically than Chandler, that makes Chandler worthless? Doesnt make sense at all.

In his first year, Chandler averaged about 15 a game...what more do you cats want?
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Posted by sebstar:


Uh...ok, so there is better young talent in the NBA, but those two you just named arent significantly better. So whats your point?

Because Thorton and Young are slightly better stastically than Chandler, that makes Chandler worthless? Doesnt make sense at all.

In his first year, Chandler averaged about 15 a game...what more do you cats want?

You're exasperating. Did I say he was bad? I said he needs to learn how to dribble the ball alot better because his skill set isn't at Thornton's of Young's level.

If you swap those either of the two guys I named onto this team they would put up even better stats. That doesn't make Chandler chopped liver though.

The 2 players were selected in the lottery for a reason.
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6/29/2009  5:25 PM
thornton is almost 30 chandler is 20. chandler has time. he already is comparable as a scorer.

nick young is jamal crawford pt 2.
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6/29/2009  5:28 PM
Posted by McK1:

thornton is almost 30 chandler is 20. chandler has time. he already is comparable as a scorer.

nick young is jamal crawford pt 2.

Al thornton was drafted 2 years ago by LAC.
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6/29/2009  5:30 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by McK1:

thornton is almost 30 chandler is 20. chandler has time. he already is comparable as a scorer.

nick young is jamal crawford pt 2.

Al thornton was drafted 2 years ago by LAC.

he turns 26 this year. he was born 12/7/83
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6/29/2009  5:31 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by martin:
Posted by McK1:

thornton is almost 30 chandler is 20. chandler has time. he already is comparable as a scorer.

nick young is jamal crawford pt 2.

Al thornton was drafted 2 years ago by LAC.

he turns 26 this year. he was born 12/7/83

so 25 is almost 30. and you're saying that with a straight face. hahahahahaha!
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