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raven
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6/27/2009  5:05 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by King1:

How many guys in the last two drafts have averaged a double-double? I am going to guess not too many. You have market value and if the Knicks lose Lee for nothing that is bad business. If any team loses their best player for nothing then you havent managed things correctly. You wont pay Lee 10 but you will pay Bosh 17 and he hasnt done anything in toronto. If the Knicks dont get Lebron and Wade next year then will the mantra be wait unil 2015

This is where you make a fool out yourself. Bosh led his team to the playoffs two years in a row with far less talent then Lee had surrounding him. Lee isn't in Bosh's universe.

I 100% agree with you phar. With Bosh instead of lee, we'd easily made the playoffs. Our system makes our players look much better offensively than they really are. Not only a matter of inflated stats but also better ball circulation, easier shots etc.
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6/27/2009  5:21 PM
Bosh as a max player will never lead his team to the conference finals by himself. Lee isnt in Bosh league I agree look at the salary but dont put Bosh in the league of the real superstars
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6/27/2009  6:09 PM
who the hell is gonna pay him that much money that has the cap space to do it? i don't care how much Lee wants, he ain't getting it... he's gonna be signed & traded this offseason.
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6/27/2009  7:04 PM
Posted by raven:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by King1:

How many guys in the last two drafts have averaged a double-double? I am going to guess not too many. You have market value and if the Knicks lose Lee for nothing that is bad business. If any team loses their best player for nothing then you havent managed things correctly. You wont pay Lee 10 but you will pay Bosh 17 and he hasnt done anything in toronto. If the Knicks dont get Lebron and Wade next year then will the mantra be wait unil 2015

This is where you make a fool out yourself. Bosh led his team to the playoffs two years in a row with far less talent then Lee had surrounding him. Lee isn't in Bosh's universe.

I 100% agree with you phar. With Bosh instead of lee, we'd easily made the playoffs. Our system makes our players look much better offensively than they really are. Not only a matter of inflated stats but also better ball circulation, easier shots etc.
King says the same thing everytime...might as well cut and paste it. I maintain that David Lee is the softest double double in the history of the NBA.

Say what you want about Bosh but the dude can carry a team offensively and has done it for entire seasons as a poster mentioned. Lee with his 16/11 hasn't done that and his talent doesn't translate to be a player like that. Please stop the maddness.

10-14 mil??? No freakin way.
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6/27/2009  7:14 PM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by raven:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by King1:

How many guys in the last two drafts have averaged a double-double? I am going to guess not too many. You have market value and if the Knicks lose Lee for nothing that is bad business. If any team loses their best player for nothing then you havent managed things correctly. You wont pay Lee 10 but you will pay Bosh 17 and he hasnt done anything in toronto. If the Knicks dont get Lebron and Wade next year then will the mantra be wait unil 2015

This is where you make a fool out yourself. Bosh led his team to the playoffs two years in a row with far less talent then Lee had surrounding him. Lee isn't in Bosh's universe.

I 100% agree with you phar. With Bosh instead of lee, we'd easily made the playoffs. Our system makes our players look much better offensively than they really are. Not only a matter of inflated stats but also better ball circulation, easier shots etc.
King says the same thing everytime...might as well cut and paste it. I maintain that David Lee is the softest double double in the history of the NBA.

Say what you want about Bosh but the dude can carry a team offensively and has done it for entire seasons as a poster mentioned. Lee with his 16/11 hasn't done that and his talent doesn't translate to be a player like that. Please stop the maddness.

10-14 mil??? No freakin way.

Yop exactly, the best we can do now is to trade him and draw benefit from his overvalued inflated stats.
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6/27/2009  8:39 PM
I will say one thing, David Lee is overrated for $10 mil a year. He's not exactly a franchise player or savior. And I like David Lee.
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6/28/2009  12:19 AM
You think Bosh is a great defender you have lost your mind. I thought 2010 was about the championship not the playoffs. If Lee is with the team this year they make the playoffs. Lee will 9 or ten million from someone that is a guarantee.
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6/28/2009  12:57 AM
What the heck does a few mm matter here? Lee is worth somewhere between 45 and 55mm$ I think if we can offer him 6 years 54mm$[9mm per for 6 years frontload the contract in year 1] then it's fine. Why would Lee pass up 54mm and why would the Knicks let Lee walk? I thought the goal was to win?

If we can pair out Jefferies contract with either Mobleys or Nate--were all set to not only sign Lee but use an MLE

We have all year to work on doing something with Eddy C

If you have Lee with Hill--were going to get a LOT of rebounds on both sides of the court. Hill and Darko will give Lee the help he needed. If we can pick up a Leo Lyons for depth on the absolute cheap
our frontcourt will be

C-Hill Darko Curry
F Lee Hill Lyons--that would be a nice combination of skills and depth. No great player but very solid rebounding--more blocked shots and should add some interior scoring totals.
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6/28/2009  1:26 AM
Lee is not a starting PF on a good team in the NBA. That's the bottom line.

Therefore, he is not worth $10 million per season. $6.5 million? Sure.
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6/28/2009  8:12 AM
Posted by GKFv2:

Lee is not a starting PF on a good team in the NBA. That's the bottom line.

Therefore, he is not worth $10 million per season. $6.5 million? Sure.

I strongly disagree with that. Lee isn't an all star, let alone a franchise player, but he is a starting calibur player and a good one. Comparing him to other power forwards and 'forward/centers', Lee is ninth in scoring, fourth in shooting percentage and second in rebounding (by 1/10th of a rebound). He has his defensive deficiencies, but he brings a lot to a team.

There has to be some middle ground. Lee wants to play for the Knicks and the Knicks want him to stay. As far as the Bosh vs Lee argument, I'd certainly rather have Bosh. But there aren't any guarantees that Bosh is coming here. I don't want to overpay for Lee and if he wants $60 over 5 and some team is willing to pay, we either have to let him walk or work out a sign and trade. I hope it doesn't come to that.
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6/28/2009  8:33 AM
Curry got 10m, James got 5m.

If you give Lee 10m, at least he will show up and work for it.
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6/28/2009  1:07 PM
Posted by King1:

You think Bosh is a great defender you have lost your mind. I thought 2010 was about the championship not the playoffs. If Lee is with the team this year they make the playoffs. Lee will 9 or ten million from someone that is a guarantee.

Lee was with the team the past 4 years & we didn't make the playoffs in any of them, but u somehow think we will this time around... a wise man once said that the definition of insanity is repeating the same thing over & over again expecting different results... u need to heed those words King.
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6/28/2009  1:11 PM
Posted by KNICKSdom:

I will say one thing, David Lee is overrated for $10 mil a year. He's not exactly a franchise player or savior. And I like David Lee.

Thats key....we all like David Lee...but your point is exactly what most of us think.

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6/28/2009  1:17 PM
Posted by Ira:
Posted by GKFv2:

Lee is not a starting PF on a good team in the NBA. That's the bottom line.

Therefore, he is not worth $10 million per season. $6.5 million? Sure.

I strongly disagree with that. Lee isn't an all star, let alone a franchise player, but he is a starting calibur player and a good one. Comparing him to other power forwards and 'forward/centers', Lee is ninth in scoring, fourth in shooting percentage and second in rebounding (by 1/10th of a rebound). He has his defensive deficiencies, but he brings a lot to a team.

There has to be some middle ground. Lee wants to play for the Knicks and the Knicks want him to stay. As far as the Bosh vs Lee argument, I'd certainly rather have Bosh. But there aren't any guarantees that Bosh is coming here. I don't want to overpay for Lee and if he wants $60 over 5 and some team is willing to pay, we either have to let him walk or work out a sign and trade. I hope it doesn't come to that.

There is some desparation when people talk about David Lee and his stats. Truth be told Lee will gift tough rebounds...truth also be told the mofo will allow Jared Jefferies to drop 40 on him without comitting one foul on purpose.

the sentiment is the same though 5 yrs @60 mill is crazy for a guy thats not even capable of being a go to guy.
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