Posted by misterearl:

Briggs - projected, mock draft slots don't make players. Skill sets make players.

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Posted by misterearl:

Love Him Or Hate Him, The Answer Man Always Has Something Indisputable and Entertaining

Stern: "...With the 29th selection in The 2009 NBA Draft, the New York Knicks select Josh Heytvelt, Gonzaga...."

That is atleast reasonable--I would take Derrick Brown if he is there and Im interested who might fall

Posted by misterearl:

The Answer Man Reserves The Right To Remain Silent

Q. Marv - could you tell us a little more about that one?

A. Certainly. JR Rider was engaging and friendly but had absolutely no valid excuse for being late to practice, Dikembe Mutombo needs a pedicure, and Lenny Wilkens does not like anyone in his office on game nights two hours prior to tipoff.

Posted by Marv:

hey we're not living up to our reputation here. i'll take it upon myself to correct that:

F**K WE COULD HAVE HAD THE #28 AND NOW BECCUSE WALSH F**KED UP WE'RE STUCK WITH 29?!?!?!?!?!?! YOU JUST KNOW YOU'RE GONNA HAVE AN ALL-STAR AVAILABLE AT 28 AND 29'S GONNA TURN OUT TO BE GARBAGE GARBAGE GARBAGE!!!!!!!! I HATE YOU WALSSSSHHHHH

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Posted by earthmansurfer:

Posted by BRIGGS:

The only thing that will disgust me here if we reach for Jack McClinton--otherwise an interesting diversified player could fall here

Why is he a reach? The guy is a dead on 3pt shooter (45%) on a team without much talent (sound familiar?). He can't finish but as a shooter he is as good as they come (at 5'11" anyway) and is instant offense off the bench. He could at least replace Nate's outside shooting, but clearly not his finishing.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jack-McClinton-5304/
snippet:

Despite playing on a bad team with few other scoring options, McClinton was the most efficient shooting guard in our database at 1.08 PPP. He also ranked second in logged FG% at 47%, on a very respectable 18.6 possessions per game. Showing clear-cut limitations as a finisher around the basket (2nd worst amongst all SGs in fact), McClinton’s best asset is his jump shot. He was above average in PPP in his 1.9 guarded catch and shoot shots per game at 1.09, but was off the charts at 1.8 PPP on 2.5 unguarded catch and shoot shots per game. He was also the best pull up shooter in our database at 1.08 PPP on 5.5 shots per game.

Though he didn’t stand out on the pick and roll or in transition, McClinton’s 1.07 PPP on 4 isolation possessions per game lead us to believe that he has most of the raw tools required to be an excellent threat to score off the bench. He shot over 50% in one-on-one situations driving in either direction, making him the most balanced player on our list. Even though he took a lot of threes, McClinton still scored on a higher percentage of his logged possessions than any other two at 47%. Though he’ll need to expand his range a bit and show that he can produce at the same level he did this season, it isn’t inconceivable that he develops into an Eddie House type player down the road.

Notice the things I highlighted, he is up there when rating players offensively. D.E. has him going pick 29 in round 1! eheh

EMS

Why would I get hot in my pants about a 6-1 shooting guard who primarily shoots 3's and is already 24 years old? Didnt we give Roberson a million dollars--are you going to tell me we are spending 3mm on this kid we couldve EASILY taken well into round 2?

Come on let me in the door and I will draft us a much better player witha blind fold

He may be a little bit of a reach with a 1st round pick but the kid can play. I like him a lot. The other day you said he was "slow" - I mean that's rediculous. I was LMAO! It's obvious you've never seen this guy play. He's undersized and he's not a pure point but he's a very good little shooter/scorer, who's strong and fairly quick. He can shoot 3s at a very good clip with a good quick release and good form, can handle the ball (he played next to James Dews at Miami who did most of the ball-handling but that's not to say McClinton can't do it - I could see him bringing the ball up starting offensive sets part-time every game, absolutely) and he can get to the rim. Eddie House is a tremendous spot-up shooter but he's pretty one-dimensional. McClinton's much more versatile than that. I see a stronger version of Daniel Gibson but better, maybe closer to Barbosa. How good did Aaron Brooks look in the playoffs last year before Houston got eliminated? McClinton will be a useful NBA player. There's definitely a spot for him in this league.

Take a look at these clips against top competition (2 clips that I posted recently on another thread). These weren't 2 fluke games. He was doing stuff like this all year:




[Edited by - finestrg on 06-25-2009 3:51 PM]

Posted by Finestrg:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by earthmansurfer:

Posted by BRIGGS:

The only thing that will disgust me here if we reach for Jack McClinton--otherwise an interesting diversified player could fall here

Why is he a reach? The guy is a dead on 3pt shooter (45%) on a team without much talent (sound familiar?). He can't finish but as a shooter he is as good as they come (at 5'11" anyway) and is instant offense off the bench. He could at least replace Nate's outside shooting, but clearly not his finishing.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jack-McClinton-5304/
snippet:

Despite playing on a bad team with few other scoring options, McClinton was the most efficient shooting guard in our database at 1.08 PPP. He also ranked second in logged FG% at 47%, on a very respectable 18.6 possessions per game. Showing clear-cut limitations as a finisher around the basket (2nd worst amongst all SGs in fact), McClinton’s best asset is his jump shot. He was above average in PPP in his 1.9 guarded catch and shoot shots per game at 1.09, but was off the charts at 1.8 PPP on 2.5 unguarded catch and shoot shots per game. He was also the best pull up shooter in our database at 1.08 PPP on 5.5 shots per game.

Though he didn’t stand out on the pick and roll or in transition, McClinton’s 1.07 PPP on 4 isolation possessions per game lead us to believe that he has most of the raw tools required to be an excellent threat to score off the bench. He shot over 50% in one-on-one situations driving in either direction, making him the most balanced player on our list. Even though he took a lot of threes, McClinton still scored on a higher percentage of his logged possessions than any other two at 47%. Though he’ll need to expand his range a bit and show that he can produce at the same level he did this season, it isn’t inconceivable that he develops into an Eddie House type player down the road.

Notice the things I highlighted, he is up there when rating players offensively. D.E. has him going pick 29 in round 1! eheh

EMS

Why would I get hot in my pants about a 6-1 shooting guard who primarily shoots 3's and is already 24 years old? Didnt we give Roberson a million dollars--are you going to tell me we are spending 3mm on this kid we couldve EASILY taken well into round 2?

Come on let me in the door and I will draft us a much better player witha blind fold

He may be a little bit of a reach with a 1st round pick but the kid can play. I like him a lot. The other day you said he was "slow" - I mean that's rediculous. I was LMAO! It's obvious you've never seen this guy play. He's undersized and he's not a pure point but he's a very good little shooter/scorer, who's strong and fairly quick. He can shoot 3s at a very good clip with a good quick release and good form, can handle the ball (he played next to James Dews at Miami who did most of the ball-handling but that's not to say McClinton can't do it - I could see him bringing the ball up starting offensive sets part-time every game) and he can get to the rim. Eddie House is a tremendous spot-up shooter but he's pretty one-dimensional. McClinton much more versatile than that. I see a stronger version of Daniel Gibson but better, maybe closer to Barbosa. How good did Aaron Brooks look in the playoffs last year before Houston got eliminated? McClinton will be a useful NBA player. There's definitely a spot for him in this league.

Dude this is not a fast athletic player--if you think so I imagine that you have never seen him play. This is Anthoiny Roberson part 2 with tad more toughness--19 points a game at 24 years old shooting 3s against 19-20 years old players--who cares? We went this route last year for 3mm_+ less.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by earthmansurfer:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by earthmansurfer:

Posted by BRIGGS:

The only thing that will disgust me here if we reach for Jack McClinton--otherwise an interesting diversified player could fall here

Why is he a reach? The guy is a dead on 3pt shooter (45%) on a team without much talent (sound familiar?). He can't finish but as a shooter he is as good as they come (at 5'11" anyway) and is instant offense off the bench. He could at least replace Nate's outside shooting, but clearly not his finishing.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jack-McClinton-5304/
snippet:

Despite playing on a bad team with few other scoring options, McClinton was the most efficient shooting guard in our database at 1.08 PPP. He also ranked second in logged FG% at 47%, on a very respectable 18.6 possessions per game. Showing clear-cut limitations as a finisher around the basket (2nd worst amongst all SGs in fact), McClinton�s best asset is his jump shot. He was above average in PPP in his 1.9 guarded catch and shoot shots per game at 1.09, but was off the charts at 1.8 PPP on 2.5 unguarded catch and shoot shots per game. He was also the best pull up shooter in our database at 1.08 PPP on 5.5 shots per game.

Though he didn�t stand out on the pick and roll or in transition, McClinton�s 1.07 PPP on 4 isolation possessions per game lead us to believe that he has most of the raw tools required to be an excellent threat to score off the bench. He shot over 50% in one-on-one situations driving in either direction, making him the most balanced player on our list. Even though he took a lot of threes, McClinton still scored on a higher percentage of his logged possessions than any other two at 47%. Though he�ll need to expand his range a bit and show that he can produce at the same level he did this season, it isn�t inconceivable that he develops into an Eddie House type player down the road.

Notice the things I highlighted, he is up there when rating players offensively. D.E. has him going pick 29 in round 1! eheh

EMS

Why would I get hot in my pants about a 6-1 shooting guard who primarily shoots 3's and is already 24 years old? Didnt we give Roberson a million dollars--are you going to tell me we are spending 3mm on this kid we couldve EASILY taken well into round 2?

Come on let me in the door and I will draft us a much better player witha blind fold

He has 14 Field goal attempts per game, 7 of which are 3pters, so clearly he doesn't take just 3 pters. The difference between him and Roberson (or rather "Robbed-us-some") is that Roberson was good in practice. This kid did it all year long.

Basketball don't get me hot in my pants anyway, it's just a game to me. I'm thinking of what this team needs considering we all know that they are planning on Lebron. We want people who can shoot. We can still buy more picks if need be. I'm hoping one of them could be for Mullens...

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/teams/stats?teamId=57&year=2004

Learn through experience--small SGs are usually busts. If we spent that much money on him--I would say insane and shouldve given it to charity and found a pick around 45 for 2.5mm less. This is the Knicks showing off their wallet like they always do if this really is the pick.

Yes real NBA athleticism shown at 1:12

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by earthmansurfer:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by earthmansurfer:

Posted by BRIGGS:

The only thing that will disgust me here if we reach for Jack McClinton--otherwise an interesting diversified player could fall here

Why is he a reach? The guy is a dead on 3pt shooter (45%) on a team without much talent (sound familiar?). He can't finish but as a shooter he is as good as they come (at 5'11" anyway) and is instant offense off the bench. He could at least replace Nate's outside shooting, but clearly not his finishing.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jack-McClinton-5304/
snippet:

Despite playing on a bad team with few other scoring options, McClinton was the most efficient shooting guard in our database at 1.08 PPP. He also ranked second in logged FG% at 47%, on a very respectable 18.6 possessions per game. Showing clear-cut limitations as a finisher around the basket (2nd worst amongst all SGs in fact), McClinton�s best asset is his jump shot. He was above average in PPP in his 1.9 guarded catch and shoot shots per game at 1.09, but was off the charts at 1.8 PPP on 2.5 unguarded catch and shoot shots per game. He was also the best pull up shooter in our database at 1.08 PPP on 5.5 shots per game.

Though he didn�t stand out on the pick and roll or in transition, McClinton�s 1.07 PPP on 4 isolation possessions per game lead us to believe that he has most of the raw tools required to be an excellent threat to score off the bench. He shot over 50% in one-on-one situations driving in either direction, making him the most balanced player on our list. Even though he took a lot of threes, McClinton still scored on a higher percentage of his logged possessions than any other two at 47%. Though he�ll need to expand his range a bit and show that he can produce at the same level he did this season, it isn�t inconceivable that he develops into an Eddie House type player down the road.

Notice the things I highlighted, he is up there when rating players offensively. D.E. has him going pick 29 in round 1! eheh

EMS

Why would I get hot in my pants about a 6-1 shooting guard who primarily shoots 3's and is already 24 years old? Didnt we give Roberson a million dollars--are you going to tell me we are spending 3mm on this kid we couldve EASILY taken well into round 2?

Come on let me in the door and I will draft us a much better player witha blind fold

He has 14 Field goal attempts per game, 7 of which are 3pters, so clearly he doesn't take just 3 pters. The difference between him and Roberson (or rather "Robbed-us-some") is that Roberson was good in practice. This kid did it all year long.

Basketball don't get me hot in my pants anyway, it's just a game to me. I'm thinking of what this team needs considering we all know that they are planning on Lebron. We want people who can shoot. We can still buy more picks if need be. I'm hoping one of them could be for Mullens...

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/teams/stats?teamId=57&year=2004

Learn through experience--small SGs are usually busts. If we spent that much money on him--I would say insane and shouldve given it to charity and found a pick around 45 for 2.5mm less. This is the Knicks showing off their wallet like they always do if this really is the pick.

Yes real NBA athleticism shown at 1:12

What are you talking about? What clip at 1:12?? One was a straight-away 3 off a curl and the other was a semi-brakeaway layup vs. Clemson where he was ahead of the field. That's all you got from those clips? I don't know what to tell you my smug little friend...

[Edited by - finestrg on 06-25-2009 3:56 PM]