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Vmart
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6/23/2009  9:55 PM
Posted by codeunknown:

Getting the 5th pick would have been a mistake - there's really nothing either there or afterwards that's all that appealing. My impression is that either you trade for Thabeet (at 2/3) or take whats available at 8, preferably Curry.

GS wants Curry badly.
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6/23/2009  9:57 PM
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Posted by BigRedDog:

Very depressing!!! Not Walsh's fault, just got outbid. He didn't have enough ammo. Goodbye Evans, Goodbye Curry. It would have been nice to have the 5th and 8th picks. When is this team ever going to get lucky again??

Let's hope our luck's name is Lebron James and he dons orange and blue in 2010. That would make up for a lot of things.

Don't count on it buddy. Knicks need to go on like he is never gonna wear orange and blue, make room for FAs is a smart thing to do.
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6/23/2009  9:59 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

No they didn't. Foye and Miller are garbage? Wizards got the better end of the deal by far.

I would agree, but how many 2 guards are the Wiz planning to put on the court?

How many draft picks do the Wolves have now?? 4?
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6/23/2009  9:59 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

No they didn't. Foye and Miller are garbage? Wizards got the better end of the deal by far.

I would agree, but how many 2 guards are the Wiz planning to put on the court?

How many draft picks do the Wolves have now?? 4?
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6/23/2009  10:00 PM
This how I think picks 1-8 will go.
1. Blake Griffin Lac
2. Hasheem Thabeet mephis
3. James Harden thunder
4. Johhny Flynn kings
5. Ricky Rubio timberwolves they are very high on him
6. Jordan Hill timberwolves they still need size and jefferson is still injured.
7. steph curry warriors they want a dream backcourt and they like to screw us
8. Tyreke evans knicks
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6/23/2009  10:03 PM
This is interesting. It sucks that we won't have 2 picks to play with (as of now) but what do the T'Wolves do now? They already have 2 big men that they really like so I don't see them taking Hill. I definitely think they will take Curry, but who does the other player end up being? DeRozan? I don't see them taking a Evans/Curry combo and since they just traded off Miller, they are going to need a another SG/SF so DeRozan fits there. This might leave the Knicks with Evans which would be great.

I see it playing out this way:

1. Clippers - Griffin

2. Grizz - Harden

3. Thunder - Thabeet

4. Kings - Rubio

5. T'Wolves - Curry

6. T'Wolves - DeRozan

7. Warriors - Hill

8. Knicks - Evans (hope and pray people)
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6/23/2009  10:12 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

This is interesting. It sucks that we won't have 2 picks to play with (as of now) but what do the T'Wolves do now? They already have 2 big men that they really like so I don't see them taking Hill. I definitely think they will take Curry, but who does the other player end up being? DeRozan? I don't see them taking a Evans/Curry combo and since they just traded off Miller, they are going to need a another SG/SF so DeRozan fits there. This might leave the Knicks with Evans which would be great.

I see it playing out this way:

1. Clippers - Griffin

2. Grizz - Harden

3. Thunder - Thabeet

4. Kings - Rubio

5. T'Wolves - Curry

6. T'Wolves - DeRozan

7. Warriors - Hill

8. Knicks - Evans (hope and pray people)

What if the Kings decide to take Evans or for that matter Flynn instead of Rubio.
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6/23/2009  10:18 PM
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by nyk4ever:

This is interesting. It sucks that we won't have 2 picks to play with (as of now) but what do the T'Wolves do now? They already have 2 big men that they really like so I don't see them taking Hill. I definitely think they will take Curry, but who does the other player end up being? DeRozan? I don't see them taking a Evans/Curry combo and since they just traded off Miller, they are going to need a another SG/SF so DeRozan fits there. This might leave the Knicks with Evans which would be great.

I see it playing out this way:

1. Clippers - Griffin

2. Grizz - Harden

3. Thunder - Thabeet

4. Kings - Rubio

5. T'Wolves - Curry

6. T'Wolves - DeRozan

7. Warriors - Hill

8. Knicks - Evans (hope and pray people)

What if the Kings decide to take Evans or for that matter Flynn instead of Rubio.

Just for you vmart...

1. Clippers - Griffin

2. Grizz - Harden

3. Thunder - Thabeet

4. Kings - Evans

5. T'Wolves - Rubio

6. T'Wolves - DeRozan

7. Warriors - Hill

8. Knicks - Curry (hope and pray people)

I don't see the Wolves taking 2 PGs (Rubio, Curry) and I don't see Rubio falling past Minnesota. I think they're definitely going to go with DeRozan Rubio.
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6/23/2009  10:18 PM
Posted by codeunknown:

Getting the 5th pick would have been a mistake - there's really nothing either there or afterwards that's all that appealing. My impression is that either you trade for Thabeet (at 2/3) or take whats available at 8, preferably Curry.

There are reports suggesting Curry could go at #4, meaning that a potential move to 5 would be a great way to spray assets on a sinking investment. If Curry's gone at 8, you're forced to play the lottery with Jennings or Derozan (and likely lose).
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6/23/2009  10:20 PM
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by codeunknown:

Getting the 5th pick would have been a mistake - there's really nothing either there or afterwards that's all that appealing. My impression is that either you trade for Thabeet (at 2/3) or take whats available at 8, preferably Curry.

There are reports suggesting Curry could go at #4, meaning that a potential move to 5 would be a great way to spray assets on a sinking investment. If Curry's gone at 8, you're forced to play the lottery with Jennings or Derozan (and likely lose).

If Curry goes at 4, I think we definitely get Evans at 8 because I think Minnesota goes with a Rubio/SF combo and the Warriors have supposedly promised they'll take Hill at 7.
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6/23/2009  10:26 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by codeunknown:

Getting the 5th pick would have been a mistake - there's really nothing either there or afterwards that's all that appealing. My impression is that either you trade for Thabeet (at 2/3) or take whats available at 8, preferably Curry.

There are reports suggesting Curry could go at #4, meaning that a potential move to 5 would be a great way to spray assets on a sinking investment. If Curry's gone at 8, you're forced to play the lottery with Jennings or Derozan (and likely lose).

If Curry goes at 4, I think we definitely get Evans at 8 because I think Minnesota goes with a Rubio/SF combo and the Warriors have supposedly promised they'll take Hill at 7.

I don't like Evans, Jennings, Derozan, or Holiday. Flynn is ok. None of them are very good.
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6/23/2009  10:27 PM
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by codeunknown:

Getting the 5th pick would have been a mistake - there's really nothing either there or afterwards that's all that appealing. My impression is that either you trade for Thabeet (at 2/3) or take whats available at 8, preferably Curry.

There are reports suggesting Curry could go at #4, meaning that a potential move to 5 would be a great way to spray assets on a sinking investment. If Curry's gone at 8, you're forced to play the lottery with Jennings or Derozan (and likely lose).

If Curry goes at 4, I think we definitely get Evans at 8 because I think Minnesota goes with a Rubio/SF combo and the Warriors have supposedly promised they'll take Hill at 7.

I don't like Evans, Jennings, Derozan, or Holiday. Flynn is ok. None of them are very good.

I'm not going to disagree with you except on Evans, I think he's going to be a very good player. The others are high-risk, high-reward type players.
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6/23/2009  10:28 PM
IF we don't get Rubio or Curry I think we're gonna take Lawson.
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6/23/2009  10:34 PM
Posted by McK1:

also with teh 5 and 6 in hand perhaps Kahn will sell the 18 or 28th pick to his former mentor Walsh

yea, minny doesn't need 4 rookies to go with a team full of young players they have already. I am shocked they are not looking to move them for young vets. Portland has outlaw and Fernandez they would probably not mind moving for one of those picks.. If minny wants to start winning and not be a lottery team for the next few years, I think they should move 2 of those picks for young vets who can help those other young guys develop.... In this league, you need a mix of young guys and vets to win....

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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6/23/2009  10:38 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:



I'm not going to disagree with you except on Evans, I think he's going to be a very good player. The others are high-risk, high-reward type players.

The trouble with Evans is he can't finish what he starts (literally) - after he gets by his defender (which usually rakes 2-3 moves), his pull-up jumper will be very contestable in the NBA and he can't finish in the lane with any consistency. His defense is average. So he's got a nice bag of tricks but no reliable endpoint so to speak.

The rest of the picks are very close to total risk, no reward.
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6/23/2009  10:40 PM
Posted by VDesai:

IF we don't get Rubio or Curry I think we're gonna take Lawson.

I think you're probably right Des.. who do you think a potential trading partner would be?
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6/23/2009  10:42 PM
Posted by codeunknown:
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I'm not going to disagree with you except on Evans, I think he's going to be a very good player. The others are high-risk, high-reward type players.

The trouble with Evans is he can't finish what he starts (literally) - after he gets by his defender (which usually rakes 2-3 moves), his pull-up jumper will be very contestable in the NBA and he can't finish in the lane with any consistency. His defense is average. So he's got a nice bag of tricks but no reliable endpoint so to speak.

The rest of the picks are very close to total risk, no reward.

SUPPOSEDLY Evans has really improved his jumper from last season. I know, theres not a whole lot to go on there, but the reports have said in his workouts his jumper has been much improved. I think he's better at finishing than you do though, I thought at Memphis he showed he could finish pretty well, especially in the tournament.
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6/23/2009  10:42 PM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by McK1:

also with teh 5 and 6 in hand perhaps Kahn will sell the 18 or 28th pick to his former mentor Walsh

yea, minny doesn't need 4 rookies to go with a team full of young players they have already. I am shocked they are not looking to move them for young vets. Portland has outlaw and Fernandez they would probably not mind moving for one of those picks.. If minny wants to start winning and not be a lottery team for the next few years, I think they should move 2 of those picks for young vets who can help those other young guys develop.... In this league, you need a mix of young guys and vets to win....



Looks to me like they are stockpiling picks to wheel and deal a bit. They also may have been playing a little defense on the Knicks to make sure they can secure Rubio. Even if the Knicks try to find their way in the top 4 there's now way they are putting together a better package than what the TWolves can now swing with 5,6,18,28. Or maybe the target it is Curry. Either way the Knicks are sort of boxed out here.
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6/23/2009  10:53 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by nyk4ever:



I'm not going to disagree with you except on Evans, I think he's going to be a very good player. The others are high-risk, high-reward type players.

The trouble with Evans is he can't finish what he starts (literally) - after he gets by his defender (which usually rakes 2-3 moves), his pull-up jumper will be very contestable in the NBA and he can't finish in the lane with any consistency. His defense is average. So he's got a nice bag of tricks but no reliable endpoint so to speak.

The rest of the picks are very close to total risk, no reward.

SUPPOSEDLY Evans has really improved his jumper from last season. I know, theres not a whole lot to go on there, but the reports have said in his workouts his jumper has been much improved. I think he's better at finishing than you do though, I thought at Memphis he showed he could finish pretty well, especially in the tournament.

Its not so much his current percentage that worries me as much as his form/balance - the only way he seems to get his shot off is by fading. Thats not a coincidence - its because he gets poor lift and tilts in the air to get separation from a defender thats usually not too far behind. As far as finishing, I think that his best bet is to develop a tear drop because I think he falls short in terms of NBA athleticism.

Perhaps he's better than I'm giving him credit for, we'll wait and see. I'd hesitate to pick him, however, because it would take vast improvement in his ancilliary skill set to become a reliable offensive option.
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6/23/2009  10:56 PM
wow, minny with 4 1st round picks.

what's the record for 1st rounders in a year?
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