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Wilson Chandler or the 8th pick to move up to #5?
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martin
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6/21/2009  12:09 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Martin - that was a wack move on a thread that was gaining steam. Stop hating.

SupremeC - you are on to something.

... the visionary deal Donnie needs to make is for a first rounder in the 2010 draft because of all the big men who will be available.

7' Donatas Motiejunas of Lithuania is the move that must be made.

THEN you can print the playoff tickets

earl, it was a whack move for you to start a redundant thread.
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6/21/2009  12:10 PM
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6/21/2009  12:14 PM
martin - the thread only appeared redundant to the untrained eye.

Besides, everyone knows the correct spelling is wack. Not whack.

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6/21/2009  12:16 PM
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6/21/2009  12:42 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Martin - that was a wack move on a thread that was gaining steam. Stop hating.

SupremeC - you are on to something.

... the visionary deal Donnie needs to make is for a first rounder in the 2010 draft because of all the big men who will be available.

7' Donatas Motiejunas of Lithuania is the move that must be made.

THEN you can print the playoff tickets

That was pretty much common sense though. I think people on the board know the deal but are just playing around with the rumors like we do every yr.
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6/21/2009  1:27 PM
Posted by martin:

http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/blog/2009/06/smokescreens_and_speculation.html
There was one rumor that caught some internet buzz but has not emerged anywhere else. The website NBADraft.net suggested the Knicks were pushing Wilson Chandler to the Wizards for the No. 5. I asked around. Heard nothing but crickets. Since neither David Lee nor Nate Robinson can be moved in draft night, reality suggests Chandler may be the lone chance for the Knicks to move up, if that's the plan.

But we're telling you now that the Knicks aren't "shopping" Chandler. If a team asked, they would obviously have to consider, but this is something you only seriously consider it if you can also keep the No. 8 or dump off a big contract. It would be hard to imagine the Knicks -- let me clarify, Donnie Walsh's Knicks -- would castaway a young, relatively inexpensive (not to mention promising) talent such as Chandler just to move up three spots. Walsh and the coaching staff loves the kid too much.]

Not surprising. Some of these guys were coming on strong two years ago talking about how the Knicks had to find a way to get the #5 pick to draft Yi because he will be a star. Won't mention names to protect the innocent. It was funny then and still funny now.
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6/21/2009  1:42 PM
I didnt see this posted but let me expand onm this like another thread with explanation

To me pick 5 will bear fruit--pick is not anywhere near as valuable to the Knicks INHO

Now we all know were NOT giving up Chandler to move up 3 spots--thats ludicrous

BUT if they add in Andray Blatche--who really is redundant for them and saves more $--that gives us the young mobile 5 who should thrive in up tempo and can block some shots rebound and score. On top of it hes a good ballhandler and 23 years old

To entice this--it has to be a money deal as well--throwing in the mobely contrtact and perhasp 2-3mm in cash--which nets wash an important 10$ for 2009.


So Washington would gain an exciting ready to go 3 man with size and under reasonable contract for 2 more years move down only 3 spots and gain 10mm


The Knicks gain a mobile athletic C who is young and can play in this system-- and they WILL get a player they want at 5 + James is a solid vet for the year
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6/21/2009  1:49 PM
And a hell to the no for Blatche. Didn't Lee already trash this argument. Blatche is far past talking about potential at this point. His best moves were used on that hooker he tried to pick up. 4 years to achieve 10ppg and 5rpg on an injury plagued team. Yeah, no.
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6/21/2009  1:59 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

And a hell to the no for Blatche. Didn't Lee already trash this argument. Blatche is far past talking about potential at this point. His best moves were used on that hooker he tried to pick up. 4 years to achieve 10ppg and 5rpg on an injury plagued team. Yeah, no.

10 points 5.3 rebounds and a block in 24 minutes shooting nearly 50% at 6-11 260 and 22 years old--what if you give him 36 minutes in an uptempo system--how about 16-17 points 7-8 rebounds and close to 2 blocks into the 52-535 range

Oh a 20 year old kid tried to pick up a hooker--golly gee wiz--my bet is you did too
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6/21/2009  2:05 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

I didnt see this posted but let me expand onm this like another thread with explanation

To me pick 5 will bear fruit--pick is not anywhere near as valuable to the Knicks INHO

Now we all know were NOT giving up Chandler to move up 3 spots--thats ludicrous

BUT if they add in Andray Blatche--who really is redundant for them and saves more $--that gives us the young mobile 5 who should thrive in up tempo and can block some shots rebound and score. On top of it hes a good ballhandler and 23 years old

To entice this--it has to be a money deal as well--throwing in the mobely contrtact and perhasp 2-3mm in cash--which nets wash an important 10$ for 2009.


So Washington would gain an exciting ready to go 3 man with size and under reasonable contract for 2 more years move down only 3 spots and gain 10mm


The Knicks gain a mobile athletic C who is young and can play in this system-- and they WILL get a player they want at 5 + James is a solid vet for the year

Briggs I think giving up the #8 is to much though. I know we would basically be giving up the #8 for Blatche but we are giving to much because we would be giving them Chandler who might be worth more then the #5 in this draft, our #8 as well as Mobley's exception only for #5 & Blatche plus we would have to eat about Thomas or James salary. Blatche isn't worth all of that. Though I agree with you he would be a great big man for MDA's system. Blatche's value isn't that of the #8 pick though. His value should be us taking Etan Thomas or James contract off there hands for Mobley and possibly a future 2nd rdr or 3mil in cash. If we are to give up the #8 as well then they would need to take Eddie Curry off of our hands for expirings.

Curry, Chandler, #8 for #5, Blatche & any 2 man combo of Haywood, Thomas, James there choice.

Or I would do Chandler & Mobley for #5, Blatche & Thomas or James.
Or I would look into a Al Harrington for Blatche & Thomas no picks included.
Or we could look into a Mobley for Blatche & Thomas no picks included.
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6/21/2009  2:10 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Pharzeone:

And a hell to the no for Blatche. Didn't Lee already trash this argument. Blatche is far past talking about potential at this point. His best moves were used on that hooker he tried to pick up. 4 years to achieve 10ppg and 5rpg on an injury plagued team. Yeah, no.

10 points 5.3 rebounds and a block in 24 minutes shooting nearly 50% at 6-11 260 and 22 years old--what if you give him 36 minutes in an uptempo system--how about 16-17 points 7-8 rebounds and close to 2 blocks into the 52-535 range

Oh a 20 year old kid tried to pick up a hooker--golly gee wiz--my bet is you did too

Your bet would be wrong. No need to pay when you can drink for free. Maybe you had to and he seems like the norm.

Why come he hasn't produce then Briggs? Wait no need to convince me because I watch enough Wizard games to know the answer. The guy frustrated his coaches and GM. You are going try and convince me that the Wizards didn't play up tempo last season or the year before last? You're going to try and guess why come he didn't step up when guys were falling down all around him?
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6/21/2009  2:36 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Pharzeone:

And a hell to the no for Blatche. Didn't Lee already trash this argument. Blatche is far past talking about potential at this point. His best moves were used on that hooker he tried to pick up. 4 years to achieve 10ppg and 5rpg on an injury plagued team. Yeah, no.

10 points 5.3 rebounds and a block in 24 minutes shooting nearly 50% at 6-11 260 and 22 years old--what if you give him 36 minutes in an uptempo system--how about 16-17 points 7-8 rebounds and close to 2 blocks into the 52-535 range

Oh a 20 year old kid tried to pick up a hooker--golly gee wiz--my bet is you did too

Your bet would be wrong. No need to pay when you can drink for free. Maybe you had to and he seems like the norm.

Why come he hasn't produce then Briggs? Wait no need to convince me because I watch enough Wizard games to know the answer. The guy frustrated his coaches and GM. You are going try and convince me that the Wizards didn't play up tempo last season or the year before last? You're going to try and guess why come he didn't step up when guys were falling down all around him?

10 points and 5 rebounds in only 24 minutes for a 6-11 260 22 year old is production my friend
It takes big players longer to develop as well. Remember he still is 22.
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6/21/2009  2:47 PM
Blatche started 36 games last season As a starter he avg'd 12 and 6 with a block in 28 minutes of action.

Off the bench he played 35 games and avg'd 8 and 4 with a block in 19 minutes.

no gil no haywood and the most he could manage with almost an extra qtr on the floor is 4 more pts but more alarming is only 2 more rebs and no more blocks.

3 years from now there is a very good chance noone will be able to tell pick 5 from pick 8 but giving up Chandler for Blatche is the equiv of the Lakers trading Caron for Kwame...PASS!





[Edited by - McK1 on 06-21-2009 3:15 PM]
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6/21/2009  2:58 PM
Briggs the guy has been in the league 4 years what is this wet behind the ears stuff. I won't get on him for his first year because he couldn't get on the court but I know a fact that E. Jordan was begging the guy to step up but he underachieved over the next three. Wizard fans asking for the same thing. One great game followed up by 4 or 5 bad games. Got a new coach and still the same thing.
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6/21/2009  3:27 PM
Blatch does have those Kwame Brown symptoms, so I definitely wouldn't trade Wilson Chandler for him straight up. Would I do it for Blatch and the number 5 pick? Maybe.
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6/21/2009  4:16 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Anji:

Why would washington do this, they feel like they need a back up for Butler????


I would take this deal and run, i'm sorry but I think Chandler is a role player that got to take 15 shots a game in Mike'Ds fast paced system. If the Wizard want him for the 5th pick you have to take the deal. I doubt this is the full trade though. If I were the Wizards Maybe I do 5th pick for Chandler, Nate and 3million for the 5th pick and to dump etan or james

Nate and Chandler,

two guys in their early 20's who combined for 31.6 pts 9.4 rebs 6.2 assts 2.2 stls

for the 5 3 mil and cash and Mike James or Etan Thomas

this trade ranks right up there with the Curry deal in awfulness

Nate is going to walk and chandler will be on the bench in 2 years. Honestly if the team wasn't lacking a first, second or third go to player would these guys even combine for half those stats???


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6/21/2009  5:40 PM
dismissing what Nate and Wil bring at such an early age and trading them for unknowns and crap players is the reason the league could care little about a winner in NY anymore



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Posted by McK1:

dismissing what Nate and Wil bring at such an early age and trading them for unknowns and crap players is the reason the league could care little about a winner in NY anymore

Big Cosign here. real talk.
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6/21/2009  7:32 PM
Stop already. Chandler for the #5 in this draft is bad, as I immediately thought when I read it in the other thread. In Chandler you know you have a solid, two-way player with physical gifts and confidence who knows he can hang and excel in the NBA. Could possibly be a star even, maybe. Even if not, there's nobody clearly available at #5 this year about whose NBA future you can confidently project to be better than Chandler's.

I also agree that we should not be auto-bailing on Nate, we need to see what the market does and make hard decisions about his value to our team.

For this draft and our team right now it is not worth it.
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Posted by nychamp:

Stop already. Chandler for the #5 in this draft is bad, as I immediately thought when I read it in the other thread. In Chandler you know you have a solid, two-way player with physical gifts and confidence who knows he can hang and excel in the NBA. Could possibly be a star even, maybe. Even if not, there's nobody clearly available at #5 this year about whose NBA future you can confidently project to be better than Chandler's.

I also agree that we should not be auto-bailing on Nate, we need to see what the market does and make hard decisions about his value to our team.

For this draft and our team right now it is not worth it.

The thing that bothers me the most, is that this draft while not bad as advertise isn't on par at all with last year draft where the general manager sat on his hands last year, went with a guy that he didn't even scout personally and didn't workout against his peers and couldn't even buy a 2nd round pick when teams were making moves like crazy all night long. It's like showing up to the party 5 days late and screaming let's get this party started.
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Wilson Chandler or the 8th pick to move up to #5?

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