Posted by sebstar:

There it is, in black and white that Zeke is a boss when it comes to drafting. U mad?

Posted by Allanfan20:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Hey Solace, you're back! Where ya been?

So, hypothetically, if you draft a hall of famer and a bust both at the #1 picks, you broke even?

Are you sure that's how their formula works?

Who is the hall of famer he drafted for us?

Posted by sebstar:

Posted by Marv:

Posted by sebstar:

There it is, in black and white that Zeke is a boss when it comes to drafting. U mad?

i'd say this article underscores that isiah was in way over his head as a gm, made a complete and total mess of the job, and should be slated no higher than a draft scout in the nba.

I totally agree, 100%

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by Solace:

Posted by Allanfan20:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Hey Solace, you're back! Where ya been?

So, hypothetically, if you draft a hall of famer and a bust both at the #1 picks, you broke even?

Are you sure that's how their formula works?

Who is the hall of famer he drafted for us?

Obviously, you missed the fact that it a hypothetical example to illustrate a point.

It's a pretty extreme (and probably unrealistic) hypothetical example. My guess is that GMs who take big gambles in the draft get multiple busts for every one all-star let alone hall-of-famer. Nevertheless, maybe you're right that it's an imperfect evaluation. I don't think your example proves the evaluation to be worthless. I definitely think it's a solid enough form evaluation to say that your "C" grade for Isiah's drafting is too harsh (and IMO just tainted by your overall disdain for Isiah). I'm not saying it's unreasonable to have an overall disdain for Isiah but that shouldn't affect how you evaluate each component of the job. I think he'd be a very good draft scout (if his ego ever allowed him to take such a job).

Posted by Solace:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by Solace:

Posted by Allanfan20:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Hey Solace, you're back! Where ya been?

So, hypothetically, if you draft a hall of famer and a bust both at the #1 picks, you broke even?

Are you sure that's how their formula works?

Who is the hall of famer he drafted for us?

Obviously, you missed the fact that it a hypothetical example to illustrate a point.

It's a pretty extreme (and probably unrealistic) hypothetical example. My guess is that GMs who take big gambles in the draft get multiple busts for every one all-star let alone hall-of-famer. Nevertheless, maybe you're right that it's an imperfect evaluation. I don't think your example proves the evaluation to be worthless. I definitely think it's a solid enough form evaluation to say that your "C" grade for Isiah's drafting is too harsh (and IMO just tainted by your overall disdain for Isiah). I'm not saying it's unreasonable to have an overall disdain for Isiah but that shouldn't affect how you evaluate each component of the job. I think he'd be a very good draft scout (if his ego ever allowed him to take such a job).

Er... whatever. That's your opinion and you're entitled to it, as I'm entitled to mine. I'll simply highlight again that the results speak for themselves and if the goal is to pull out role players with picks that are normally throwaways then I guess Isiah really is awesome. But honestly, it doesn't fit my criteria based on the Knicks situation. The picks made no sense for the Knicks. If he was drafting for the Spurs or Suns, some of his picks may have been more logical. For the Knicks, they honestly made no sense. But again that's a difference of opinion. I know a lot of people here are of the "best player available" mindset, which experience shows usually only works in NBA Live.

Posted by Solace:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by Solace:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by Solace:

Posted by Allanfan20:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Hey Solace, you're back! Where ya been?

So, hypothetically, if you draft a hall of famer and a bust both at the #1 picks, you broke even?

Are you sure that's how their formula works?

Who is the hall of famer he drafted for us?

Obviously, you missed the fact that it a hypothetical example to illustrate a point.

It's a pretty extreme (and probably unrealistic) hypothetical example. My guess is that GMs who take big gambles in the draft get multiple busts for every one all-star let alone hall-of-famer. Nevertheless, maybe you're right that it's an imperfect evaluation. I don't think your example proves the evaluation to be worthless. I definitely think it's a solid enough form evaluation to say that your "C" grade for Isiah's drafting is too harsh (and IMO just tainted by your overall disdain for Isiah). I'm not saying it's unreasonable to have an overall disdain for Isiah but that shouldn't affect how you evaluate each component of the job. I think he'd be a very good draft scout (if his ego ever allowed him to take such a job).

Er... whatever. That's your opinion and you're entitled to it, as I'm entitled to mine. I'll simply highlight again that the results speak for themselves and if the goal is to pull out role players with picks that are normally throwaways then I guess Isiah really is awesome. But honestly, it doesn't fit my criteria based on the Knicks situation. The picks made no sense for the Knicks. If he was drafting for the Spurs or Suns, some of his picks may have been more logical. For the Knicks, they honestly made no sense. But again that's a difference of opinion. I know a lot of people here are of the "best player available" mindset, which experience shows usually only works in NBA Live.

I definitely wouldn't call Camby, Damon Stoudamire, and T-Mac role players. The article (and I thought our discussion) was about his entire GM career. When he started working under Dolan the same strange thing that happened with Layden happened with Isiah--he went from being a GM who loved developing young projects to one who appeared to feel he wouldn't have the time to do so.

The article, yes. All of our conversations have centered around his Knicks drafting. Why would I knock the T-Mac or Camby picks? Camby is one of my all-time favorite players.

Regardless, if your assessment is true, why would he get a pass for that? Layden sure didn't.

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by sebstar:

Posted by Marv:

Posted by sebstar:

There it is, in black and white that Zeke is a boss when it comes to drafting. U mad?

i'd say this article underscores that isiah was in way over his head as a gm, made a complete and total mess of the job, and should be slated no higher than a draft scout in the nba.

I totally agree, 100%

Isn't this something most people realized and agreed upon 2 or 3 years ago?