[ IMAGES: Images ON turn off | ACCOUNT: User Status is LOCKED why? ]

Rubio vs. Jennings article from NBA Draft Countdown
Forum Index  ›  NY Knicks Forum
Page 3 of 5 ‹ Previous 1  2  3  4  5 Next ›
« Reply To Topic
Author Thread
knicks1248
Posts: 42059
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 2/3/2004
Member: #582
6/18/2009  1:17 PM
The point with arroy made a lot of sense. Not all foriegn players pan out in the past, so it's not ridiculous to have doubts about rubio. And stats don't always tell the whole story anyway.
ES
AUTOADVERT
McK1
Posts: 26527
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/16/2005
Member: #964
6/18/2009  1:23 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Bippity10:

Mck1: Did you watch the Olympics?

nope. I tried and was bored by it.

So you aren't basing your assertion on reality.

The US team played their arses off. As hard as if it was the finals. That's why I'm proud of them. They held nothing back.

you mean my assumption. I could be wrong but I have stats and highlights to shape my opinion of what happened.
the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
kam77
Posts: 27664
Alba Posts: 25
Joined: 3/17/2004
Member: #634
6/18/2009  1:29 PM
USA rulezs.
Other countries should lick the boot1!!!111111

BUAHAHAHAHAHAHA
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
Bippity10
Posts: 13999
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 1/26/2004
Member: #574
6/18/2009  1:38 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Bippity10:

Mck1: Did you watch the Olympics?

nope. I tried and was bored by it.

So you aren't basing your assertion on reality.

The US team played their arses off. As hard as if it was the finals. That's why I'm proud of them. They held nothing back.

you mean my assumption. I could be wrong but I have stats and highlights to shape my opinion of what happened.

Yes, I did mean assumption and thanks for clarifying that you are indeed making an assumption

Stats and highlights never tell you the whole story. Stats are a product of the system being run. Hightlights are the best plays selected by the media and mean nothing.

The US played to their strengths. Their defense was off the charts. Kobe, Wade and Bosh were all over the place diving on the floor more than they ever do in the NBA(maybe not Wade but the other two for sure). The offense was initiated by the defense. They played an open court game and tried to minimize possessions in the half court(This is why fouls were down). In the halfcourt they played European style drive and kick and rarely went all the way to the hoop(zone defense took this away). They had no post players so they rarely went inside. It was a very different game to the NBa game so it's not really accurate to compare stats.
I just hope that people will like me
Bippity10
Posts: 13999
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 1/26/2004
Member: #574
6/18/2009  1:41 PM
You're argument is that Rubio is not going to be an NBA star just because he played well against the US. I agree with you 100%. That being said, the notion that the US did not give their all is not really an accurate way to back up your argument. Maybe try a different approach like "other European players have done well in teh Olympics against us and not turned into strong NBA players". This is a more accurate argument so I would stay that route.
I just hope that people will like me
McK1
Posts: 26527
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/16/2005
Member: #964
6/18/2009  2:05 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

You're argument is that Rubio is not going to be an NBA star just because he played well against the US. I agree with you 100%. That being said, the notion that the US did not give their all is not really an accurate way to back up your argument. Maybe try a different approach like "other European players have done well in teh Olympics against us and not turned into strong NBA players". This is a more accurate argument so I would stay that route.

I admit my assumption is totally rediculous.

but so are these

He said Rubio is all hype he is a headcase.
He apologizes, now he is an even bigger headcase.

He has young money tattooed on his back he is a punk.

In highschool he did alot of show-boating so he'll never be able to lead a pro team. He is a loser.
Oak Hill went 44-1...<crickets>
"he is a shoot first point guard"
yeah but he can pass well too
"he only passes if the assist makes him look good"
thats not evident watching the numerous youtube compilations
"well Rubio is more cerebral"

He went to Europe and sucked.
Well his trainer said he worked hard in practice everyday and looked to improve.
"Doesn't matter his stats say he is garbage"
What about Rubio's stats they aren't impressive either.
"he held his own in the olympics"
4 pts 2 assists 2 rebs on 28 percent shooting
"yeah but he kept the ball moving and the offense flowing"
so does Luke Walton
"did you hear what CP3 and Kobe said about him though?"

Larry Brown FUBAR'ed the 04 Olympics then came to the Knicks and and went toe to toe in the media with Steph and now a kid like Jennings is getting railroaded in the court of public opinion because of it.

My honest take on Rubio is he will be fine. Like with Curry, the overhype will make me hate him for awhile but I respect the potential.


[Edited by - McK1 on 06-18-2009 2:06 PM]

[Edited by - McK1 on 06-18-2009 2:09 PM]
the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
oohah
Posts: 26600
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 4/7/2005
Member: #887
6/18/2009  2:06 PM
Jesus, Rubio's performance against the U.S. is so overrated. He held his own. He did not do anything crazy taking over the game.

You know who looked great? Marc Gasol and Juan Carlos Navvaro. Also Rudy Fernandez They kicked ass! Were/are either of those guys NBA stars? No. as a matter of fact, if you rank the play of the Spanish team Vs. the U.S. Rubio probably comes out somewhere aruond 6-8.

And it should be that way! He is a kid.

Sarunas Jak*** kicked ass against the U.S.! Was he an NBA star? No. SO did Arroyo.

Basing one's opinion on Rubio by his Olympic Performance or some You Tube Clips is ridiculous.

NObody on this board really knows anything about him except for his hype. The guys I was arguing with a few weeks ago saying they would take Rubio in the top 3 have seen what he can do just as little as the rest of us.

All I know is that If I take a PG in the top 3, I better know what kind of potential he really has, and I don't want to wait 4 years to see it. And that is what I expect if we take Rubio, 4 years of development, which means if he does become a star it will be right after the Knicks trade him.

On top of that, I don't care for the way the Rubio camp has been acting, like he can dictate where he wants to play.

You know who I want at number 8? Dajuan Blair.

oohah

Good luck Mike D'Antoni, 'cause you ain't never seen nothing like this before!
Bippity10
Posts: 13999
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 1/26/2004
Member: #574
6/18/2009  2:11 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Bippity10:

You're argument is that Rubio is not going to be an NBA star just because he played well against the US. I agree with you 100%. That being said, the notion that the US did not give their all is not really an accurate way to back up your argument. Maybe try a different approach like "other European players have done well in teh Olympics against us and not turned into strong NBA players". This is a more accurate argument so I would stay that route.

I admit my assumption is totally rediculous.

but so are these

He said Rubio is all hype he is a headcase.
He apologizes, now he is an even bigger headcase.

He has young money tattooed on his back he is a punk.

In highschool he did alot of show-boating so he'll never be able to lead a pro team.
Oak Hill went 44-1...<crickets>
"he is a shoot first point guard"
yeah but he can pass well too
"he only passes if the assist makes him look good"
thats not evident watching the numerous youtube compilations
"well Rubio is more cerebral"

He went to Europe and sucked.
Well his trainer said he worked hard in practice everyday and looked to improve.
"Doesn't matter his stats say he is garbage"
What about Rubio's stats they aren't impressive either.
"he held his own in the olympics"
4 pts 2 assists 2 rebs on 28 percent shooting
"yeah but he kept the ball moving and the offense flowing"
so does Luke Walton
"did you hear what CP3 and Kobe said about him though?"

Larry Brown FUBAR'ed the 04 Olympics then came to the Knicks and and went toe to toe in the media with Steph and now a kid like Jennings is getting railroaded in the court of public opinion because of it.

My honest take on Rubio is he will be fine. Like with Curry, the overhype will make me hate him for awhile but I respect the potential.


[Edited by - McK1 on 06-18-2009 2:06 PM]

Hey, you are preaching to the choir. I dont' disagree with you at all. We know little about either player. I understand liking one over the other, but no reason to knock either one. They are both young players with loads of talent who we know little about. I really don't get too worked up about what people think of them because they both have to prove it. As for Jennings being arrogant? come on. Anyone ever hear Magic and Larry talk about their skills? If he can play, he can play. If he listens to the coach and beleives in this teammates and plays the team game then who cares about what he says about Rubio.

I just hope that people will like me
Bippity10
Posts: 13999
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 1/26/2004
Member: #574
6/18/2009  2:17 PM
Posted by oohah:

Jesus, Rubio's performance against the U.S. is so overrated. He held his own. He did not do anything crazy taking over the game.

You know who looked great? Marc Gasol and Juan Carlos Navvaro. Also Rudy Fernandez They kicked ass! Were/are either of those guys NBA stars? No. as a matter of fact, if you rank the play of the Spanish team Vs. the U.S. Rubio probably comes out somewhere aruond 6-8.

And it should be that way! He is a kid.

Sarunas Jak*** kicked ass against the U.S.! Was he an NBA star? No. SO did Arroyo.

Basing one's opinion on Rubio by his Olympic Performance or some You Tube Clips is ridiculous.

NObody on this board really knows anything about him except for his hype. The guys I was arguing with a few weeks ago saying they would take Rubio in the top 3 have seen what he can do just as little as the rest of us.

All I know is that If I take a PG in the top 3, I better know what kind of potential he really has, and I don't want to wait 4 years to see it. And that is what I expect if we take Rubio, 4 years of development, which means if he does become a star it will be right after the Knicks trade him.

On top of that, I don't care for the way the Rubio camp has been acting, like he can dictate where he wants to play.

You know who I want at number 8? Dajuan Blair.

oohah

The draft is about hype. It's all hype. None of them have played an NBA game. We know nothing about any of them. Rubio did play well against the greatest team in the world at the age of 17. Let's not overhype that. I've had a couple days against NBA players were you would have thought I was the NBA player, but where am I? Every dog has it's day. That being said, let's not undersell it either. It has to open your eyes, and that's what it did for the scouts and fans. He still has to prove it though.
I just hope that people will like me
Nalod
Posts: 72071
Alba Posts: 155
Joined: 12/24/2003
Member: #508
USA
6/18/2009  2:24 PM

The reason team USA struggles in the past was due to other teams played a TEAM game while we were trying to win on superior talent.

Our last olympic team was stacked, but also had role players. Kobe and Lebron were trying their hardest to make sure it was all about the "TEAM".

Even still, they struggled with Spain. Spain piece by piece was not superior, but as a group they played well. I watched the game with great intreset and spain held their own.
While I rooted for the US team, it was hard not to admire the effort and their game.

Rickey was 17 at the time. The young boy held his own against the best on the planet. That speaks alot. If he was 24 it would be unremarkable. His POTENTIAL is what peaks his value.

I have not seen Jennings play, but im sure he has a big upside but in a differnt way. His game is still raw and likly still plays individually and can beat most off the dribble.

Maybe the Anderson/Skip comparisons are good.

Does that mean he has upside? Of course he does. Is he a "Me First" bonehead?

Time will tell.
oohah
Posts: 26600
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 4/7/2005
Member: #887
6/18/2009  2:25 PM
The draft is about hype. It's all hype. None of them have played an NBA game. We know nothing about any of them. Rubio did play well against the greatest team in the world at the age of 17. Let's not overhype that. I've had a couple days against NBA players were you would have thought I was the NBA player, but where am I? Every dog has it's day. That being said, let's not undersell it either. It has to open your eyes, and that's what it did for the scouts and fans. He still has to prove it though.

All I saw from Rubio Vs. the U.S. is that he held his own. He came in played some minutes and managed not to get run over.

I was actually impressed by Navarro, Fernandez and Gasol. Fernadez went up and straight slammed in on Dwight howard. Fernandez is a good NBA player. Navvaro was an average NBA player. Gasol will probably be a good center.

Rubio will proabbly be a good NBA player. I have seen nothing whatsoever in any game or clip that screamed "future star!" to me.

I hope Donnie trade Lee and the #8 to Memphis and picks Thabeet like a smart GM.

oohah

Good luck Mike D'Antoni, 'cause you ain't never seen nothing like this before!
Bippity10
Posts: 13999
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 1/26/2004
Member: #574
6/18/2009  2:36 PM
Posted by oohah:
The draft is about hype. It's all hype. None of them have played an NBA game. We know nothing about any of them. Rubio did play well against the greatest team in the world at the age of 17. Let's not overhype that. I've had a couple days against NBA players were you would have thought I was the NBA player, but where am I? Every dog has it's day. That being said, let's not undersell it either. It has to open your eyes, and that's what it did for the scouts and fans. He still has to prove it though.

All I saw from Rubio Vs. the U.S. is that he held his own. He came in played some minutes and managed not to get run over.

I was actually impressed by Navarro, Fernandez and Gasol. Fernadez went up and straight slammed in on Dwight howard. Fernandez is a good NBA player. Navvaro was an average NBA player. Gasol will probably be a good center.

Rubio will proabbly be a good NBA player. I have seen nothing whatsoever in any game or clip that screamed "future star!" to me.

I hope Donnie trade Lee and the #8 to Memphis and picks Thabeet like a smart GM.

oohah

Oooh aaaah that's what most saw. It's not that he came in and did anythign special. It's that at the age of 17 he ran the offense well, battled and more than held his own. Any american kid at 17 comes in as an NBA rookie(when they were allowed to) and holds his own against NBA competition and we begin to rave about their potential. Do it against the best in the world and people really start talking. Add to it, the US players also praised him and you start to think maybe the dude can play. Again some people definitely overhype an appearance that really wasn't that special but at the same time you can't down play it. He was 17 and held his own on the world stage. Not many 17 year olds, 18 year olds or 20 year olds are going to do much more.
I just hope that people will like me
oohah
Posts: 26600
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 4/7/2005
Member: #887
6/18/2009  3:21 PM
Posted by Bippity10:


Oooh aaaah that's what most saw. It's not that he came in and did anythign special. It's that at the age of 17 he ran the offense well, battled and more than held his own. Any american kid at 17 comes in as an NBA rookie(when they were allowed to) and holds his own against NBA competition and we begin to rave about their potential. Do it against the best in the world and people really start talking. Add to it, the US players also praised him and you start to think maybe the dude can play. Again some people definitely overhype an appearance that really wasn't that special but at the same time you can't down play it. He was 17 and held his own on the world stage. Not many 17 year olds, 18 year olds or 20 year olds are going to do much more.


Bippity, you played at a high level of basketball so you should know what I am about to describe. When I last stopped in I was telling guys how I had seen Kenny Anderson and Stephon Marbury absolutely bust the ass of NBA players at 17 years old, not just hold their own, and they have not had pro careers to back up what I witnessed then. And those are not the only players I have seen at that age who took it to actual NBA players. Serious pro-am level competition may not be as organized as Euroleague, but the talent level is unquestionably higher, because it feature real NBA players, and great college players who play in overseas, and guys like Anderson and Marbury too.

I think Rubio is realistically a first round pick but all this lottery buzz is out of control. Just because a young player holds his own against pros i the Olypics while he has as support system made up of 8 more NBA players does not make him the next Jason Kidd. Once you factor in that Rubio had a lot of actual NBA players playing alongside him doing the really impressive work vs. the U.S. - Navvaro, Fenandez, Gasol, also the guy who played in Toronto, and I just don't see why Rubio is being proposed as the next whatever. And even if he does become the next --- it will be a few years out, and New Yorkers don't have that kind of patience!

Another guy I don't want is Stephen Curry. I would much prefer Flynn. IF you pick a PG he should be a real PG. If you pick an SG he should have the right build for the position or he better be insanely good like Joe Dumars - who had a better build for the SG position than Curry does. No skinny-ass tweeners with one NBA skill!

The more I think about it, the more I think the right pick if the Knicks keep #8 is Dajuan Blair. There is always a guy who had an outstanding college career, who has a leader with good physical ability and a well rounded game who gets forgotten about because he played 3-4 years in college and drops because of the hype of unproven players. Examples: Josh Howard, David lee, Paul Millsapp.

So I either want to see Dajuan Blair at #8 or the Knicks trade up to pick Thabeet. That would be smart GMing.

oohah

Good luck Mike D'Antoni, 'cause you ain't never seen nothing like this before!
martin
Posts: 79866
Alba Posts: 108
Joined: 7/24/2001
Member: #2
USA
6/18/2009  3:51 PM
oohah, last you stopped in you were also telling us how Frye was a borderline allstar. I think we stopped listening.
Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
nyk4ever
Posts: 41010
Alba Posts: 12
Joined: 1/12/2005
Member: #848
USA
6/18/2009  4:10 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by Bippity10:


Oooh aaaah that's what most saw. It's not that he came in and did anythign special. It's that at the age of 17 he ran the offense well, battled and more than held his own. Any american kid at 17 comes in as an NBA rookie(when they were allowed to) and holds his own against NBA competition and we begin to rave about their potential. Do it against the best in the world and people really start talking. Add to it, the US players also praised him and you start to think maybe the dude can play. Again some people definitely overhype an appearance that really wasn't that special but at the same time you can't down play it. He was 17 and held his own on the world stage. Not many 17 year olds, 18 year olds or 20 year olds are going to do much more.


Bippity, you played at a high level of basketball so you should know what I am about to describe. When I last stopped in I was telling guys how I had seen Kenny Anderson and Stephon Marbury absolutely bust the ass of NBA players at 17 years old, not just hold their own, and they have not had pro careers to back up what I witnessed then. And those are not the only players I have seen at that age who took it to actual NBA players. Serious pro-am level competition may not be as organized as Euroleague, but the talent level is unquestionably higher, because it feature real NBA players, and great college players who play in overseas, and guys like Anderson and Marbury too.

I think Rubio is realistically a first round pick but all this lottery buzz is out of control. Just because a young player holds his own against pros i the Olypics while he has as support system made up of 8 more NBA players does not make him the next Jason Kidd. Once you factor in that Rubio had a lot of actual NBA players playing alongside him doing the really impressive work vs. the U.S. - Navvaro, Fenandez, Gasol, also the guy who played in Toronto, and I just don't see why Rubio is being proposed as the next whatever. And even if he does become the next --- it will be a few years out, and New Yorkers don't have that kind of patience!

Another guy I don't want is Stephen Curry. I would much prefer Flynn. IF you pick a PG he should be a real PG. If you pick an SG he should have the right build for the position or he better be insanely good like Joe Dumars - who had a better build for the SG position than Curry does. No skinny-ass tweeners with one NBA skill!

The more I think about it, the more I think the right pick if the Knicks keep #8 is Dajuan Blair. There is always a guy who had an outstanding college career, who has a leader with good physical ability and a well rounded game who gets forgotten about because he played 3-4 years in college and drops because of the hype of unproven players. Examples: Josh Howard, David lee, Paul Millsapp.

So I either want to see Dajuan Blair at #8 or the Knicks trade up to pick Thabeet. That would be smart GMing.

oohah

Oohah, it sounds like the game has passed you by bro.
"OMG - did we just go on a two-trade-wining-streak?" -SupremeCommander
Paladin55
Posts: 24321
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/6/2008
Member: #2098
6/18/2009  4:17 PM
Posted by McK1:

Rubio can play. It doesn't mean he can play in the NBA. I watched Arroyo and Sarunas destroy the US in the 04 Olympics. It didn't translate. We won't know till he gets here.

Is this also true for that Italian player named Jennings??
No man is happy without a delusion of some kind. Delusions are as necessary to our happiness as realities- C.N. Bovee
Bippity10
Posts: 13999
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 1/26/2004
Member: #574
6/18/2009  4:42 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by Bippity10:


Oooh aaaah that's what most saw. It's not that he came in and did anythign special. It's that at the age of 17 he ran the offense well, battled and more than held his own. Any american kid at 17 comes in as an NBA rookie(when they were allowed to) and holds his own against NBA competition and we begin to rave about their potential. Do it against the best in the world and people really start talking. Add to it, the US players also praised him and you start to think maybe the dude can play. Again some people definitely overhype an appearance that really wasn't that special but at the same time you can't down play it. He was 17 and held his own on the world stage. Not many 17 year olds, 18 year olds or 20 year olds are going to do much more.


Bippity, you played at a high level of basketball so you should know what I am about to describe. When I last stopped in I was telling guys how I had seen Kenny Anderson and Stephon Marbury absolutely bust the ass of NBA players at 17 years old, not just hold their own, and they have not had pro careers to back up what I witnessed then. And those are not the only players I have seen at that age who took it to actual NBA players. Serious pro-am level competition may not be as organized as Euroleague, but the talent level is unquestionably higher, because it feature real NBA players, and great college players who play in overseas, and guys like Anderson and Marbury too.

I think Rubio is realistically a first round pick but all this lottery buzz is out of control. Just because a young player holds his own against pros i the Olypics while he has as support system made up of 8 more NBA players does not make him the next Jason Kidd. Once you factor in that Rubio had a lot of actual NBA players playing alongside him doing the really impressive work vs. the U.S. - Navvaro, Fenandez, Gasol, also the guy who played in Toronto, and I just don't see why Rubio is being proposed as the next whatever. And even if he does become the next --- it will be a few years out, and New Yorkers don't have that kind of patience!

Another guy I don't want is Stephen Curry. I would much prefer Flynn. IF you pick a PG he should be a real PG. If you pick an SG he should have the right build for the position or he better be insanely good like Joe Dumars - who had a better build for the SG position than Curry does. No skinny-ass tweeners with one NBA skill!

The more I think about it, the more I think the right pick if the Knicks keep #8 is Dajuan Blair. There is always a guy who had an outstanding college career, who has a leader with good physical ability and a well rounded game who gets forgotten about because he played 3-4 years in college and drops because of the hype of unproven players. Examples: Josh Howard, David lee, Paul Millsapp.

So I either want to see Dajuan Blair at #8 or the Knicks trade up to pick Thabeet. That would be smart GMing.

oohah

Oooh aaah listen, I'm with you. But I don't think people are overhyping the guy. The people that have seen him play think he can all, but in general after Blake Griffin nobody is too excited about the draft so I don't think he's being overhyped. Very few are saying he's a guaranteed star. Most are saying he is going to be a nice player who can shine in the right system. That being said:

I once saw Ajou Deng take Marcus Camby to school on the basketball court. A game to 11 he scored 8 or 9 while Marcus whined about fouls and completely embarrassed himself. At the time Marcus was 20 or 21 and dominating college basketball. Ajou went on to outplay Ray Allen the next day in a summer scrimmage and appeared to be destined for stardom. Never happened. Same of course oculd be true of Rubio so what? the bottome line is there is a big difference between busting a pro caliber players asse in a practice or a summer league and going head to head against the 12 greatest players in the world, on the WORLD STAGE and holding your own. If Marbury and Kenny were placed on the same stage that is the best you would ask. And if they did, you would walk away impressed. That's all I'm saying. No hype, but his performance at 17 was still impressive.

On a side note: In a summer league game 4 years ago I scored 32 points on Craig Austrie. If that mother f'er makes it to the NBA I'm going to kill myself

[Edited by - bippity10 on 18-06-2009 4:43 PM]

[Edited by - bippity10 on 18-06-2009 4:44 PM]
I just hope that people will like me
Paladin55
Posts: 24321
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/6/2008
Member: #2098
6/18/2009  4:47 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by McK1:

Rubio can play. It doesn't mean he can play in the NBA. I watched Arroyo and Sarunas destroy the US in the 04 Olympics. It didn't translate. We won't know till he gets here.

Again we don't know who he is because we've never seen him play. Just like Jennings. but people are basing there opinions on the evidence placed in front of them and that's not wrong. He showed well against the US team at a young age. Not proof that he will be a star or even a good player. But he showed enough to make people think he has a shot.

I agree.

I took issue with this statement:

I really don't care about overall athleticism for PG's. It's flashy, but really some of the greatest PG's were avg athletes. Cerebral skills is where it's at so I'd always look at Rudio over Jennings at this point.

Jennings is being stereotyped as a brain dead me first cancer before he ever steps on an NBA court meanwhile Rubio is the 2nd coming based off moments.
You categorize his career as "moments??"
No man is happy without a delusion of some kind. Delusions are as necessary to our happiness as realities- C.N. Bovee
Paladin55
Posts: 24321
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/6/2008
Member: #2098
6/18/2009  4:59 PM
Posted by PresIke:

You don't have to watch the games to pass judgement?

Okay, if you're going to start from that line of reasoning then I don't know where to begin.

[Edited by - presike on 06-18-2009 10:13 AM]

Some people have amazing powers of intuition and are able to "feel" things, while others, like myself, and perhaps you, have to actually see something in order to make an educated comment or judgment on it. It is soooo much easier to reach a conclusion about something if you just go by your "feelings"- evaluating "evidence" just gets in the way and causes endless headaches.
No man is happy without a delusion of some kind. Delusions are as necessary to our happiness as realities- C.N. Bovee
Bippity10
Posts: 13999
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 1/26/2004
Member: #574
6/18/2009  5:07 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by Bippity10:


Oooh aaaah that's what most saw. It's not that he came in and did anythign special. It's that at the age of 17 he ran the offense well, battled and more than held his own. Any american kid at 17 comes in as an NBA rookie(when they were allowed to) and holds his own against NBA competition and we begin to rave about their potential. Do it against the best in the world and people really start talking. Add to it, the US players also praised him and you start to think maybe the dude can play. Again some people definitely overhype an appearance that really wasn't that special but at the same time you can't down play it. He was 17 and held his own on the world stage. Not many 17 year olds, 18 year olds or 20 year olds are going to do much more.


Bippity, you played at a high level of basketball so you should know what I am about to describe. When I last stopped in I was telling guys how I had seen Kenny Anderson and Stephon Marbury absolutely bust the ass of NBA players at 17 years old, not just hold their own, and they have not had pro careers to back up what I witnessed then. And those are not the only players I have seen at that age who took it to actual NBA players. Serious pro-am level competition may not be as organized as Euroleague, but the talent level is unquestionably higher, because it feature real NBA players, and great college players who play in overseas, and guys like Anderson and Marbury too.

I think Rubio is realistically a first round pick but all this lottery buzz is out of control. Just because a young player holds his own against pros i the Olypics while he has as support system made up of 8 more NBA players does not make him the next Jason Kidd. Once you factor in that Rubio had a lot of actual NBA players playing alongside him doing the really impressive work vs. the U.S. - Navvaro, Fenandez, Gasol, also the guy who played in Toronto, and I just don't see why Rubio is being proposed as the next whatever. And even if he does become the next --- it will be a few years out, and New Yorkers don't have that kind of patience!

Another guy I don't want is Stephen Curry. I would much prefer Flynn. IF you pick a PG he should be a real PG. If you pick an SG he should have the right build for the position or he better be insanely good like Joe Dumars - who had a better build for the SG position than Curry does. No skinny-ass tweeners with one NBA skill!

The more I think about it, the more I think the right pick if the Knicks keep #8 is Dajuan Blair. There is always a guy who had an outstanding college career, who has a leader with good physical ability and a well rounded game who gets forgotten about because he played 3-4 years in college and drops because of the hype of unproven players. Examples: Josh Howard, David lee, Paul Millsapp.

So I either want to see Dajuan Blair at #8 or the Knicks trade up to pick Thabeet. That would be smart GMing.

oohah

For the record there was more hype surrounding Marbury than there will ever be around Rubio. How did that turn out?
I just hope that people will like me
Page 3 of 5 ‹ Previous 1  2  3  4  5 Next ›
« Reply To Topic
Rubio vs. Jennings article from NBA Draft Countdown
Forum Index  ›  NY Knicks Forum

©2001-2025 ultimateknicks.comm All rights reserved. About Us.
This site is not affiliated with the NY Knicks or the National Basketball Association in any way.
You may visit the official NY Knicks web site by clicking here.

All times (GMT-05:00) Eastern Time.

Terms of Use and Privacy Policy