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6/4/2009  2:40 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

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I probably have to lean towards Rubio.

There are no questions about him being a pure point, he's 2.5 years younger - plus he has better size & length and the reputation of being a solid defender - particularly off the ball.

I have questions about both kids durability.

Have to lean towards Rubio but both would have the garden rocking IMO.


I don't believe Curry will have any issues running the point in our system. In other systems maybe but in ours I see him as an immediate upgrade to Duhon (at least offensively). Just have to go with Rubio and his repuation as a once in a generation passing point guard.
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6/4/2009  2:44 PM
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

NBAdraft.net has Jrue Holiday going 24th in their mock.

wtf ?

http://www.nbadraft.net/node/6321

Yeah I saw that. That is a little too low for him. I like some other guys a little more myself but I do like Holiday and I think he'll be a good player for a long time. What's with that nbadraft.net comparison btw - Flip Murray/Delonte West???? I don't see that at all. Personally I see a guy on par with Jarrett Jack, maybe with an even higher ceiling. I think that's a much better comparison.

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6/4/2009  2:51 PM
From Tommy Dee:
We’ve learned that the Knicks have Holiday and Curry ahead of Evans, because they feel that they are more suited at the point guard position, but the Memphis product will work out for the Knicks as well as the Kings, Wizards and Raptors with Toronto keeping their fingers crossed that he falls to 9. No chance he gets past the Raptors, who have all but guaranteed Evans’ camp.

But our sources confirm the Knicks have been doing some serious homework on Evans and like what they are hearing and he should be the pick if both Holiday and Curry are off the board.
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6/4/2009  2:51 PM
rubio for me too...surprise, surprise.

i like jennings, curry and holiday for us too, and if harden is there i'd take him.
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6/4/2009  2:57 PM
Posted by martin:

From Tommy Dee:
We’ve learned that the Knicks have Holiday and Curry ahead of Evans, because they feel that they are more suited at the point guard position, but the Memphis product will work out for the Knicks as well as the Kings, Wizards and Raptors with Toronto keeping their fingers crossed that he falls to 9. No chance he gets past the Raptors, who have all but guaranteed Evans’ camp.

But our sources confirm the Knicks have been doing some serious homework on Evans and like what they are hearing and he should be the pick if both Holiday and Curry are off the board.

Nice find but we have to ask ourselves "What Knicks fan is going to release information that helps the opposing teams during draft time?". Same with what Hahn has been saying. But, truth be said, the last few years we all knew who we were picking. The only difference is that there is a good to great chance that either of the two guys we really want will be gone (and I'm not even talking of Rubio). Trade up time.
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6/4/2009  2:59 PM
In the last 8 nba drafts there have been more european player draft bust then american players. Look what happen last year we took gallanari when there was better talen avaible like erick gordon, dj augustin, brook lopez, jason thompson, anthony radolph, bradon rush, cortney lee, george hill, darrel arthor, mareese speights,and javale mcgee
. All those guys did better then he did so my question is this do you really want to pass up beter overal talent just to get a project player certainly i don't.
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6/4/2009  3:04 PM
Posted by PresIke:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

Curry.

I'm sick of seeing Europeans not panning out.

right, so all american players pan out?


Yup, all of them.
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6/4/2009  3:59 PM
Is this a serious question?

I'll go with the 30 scouting departments in the NBA and say Rubio.

He's one of the best young points in the world and he's 18.

My rule of thumb with NCAA players is this; If Dickie V has gone ape-**** over the guy several times, then he's going to be a bust. Look it up. Its a fact.

Don't buy the Curry hype.
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6/4/2009  4:13 PM
Posted by lumbardar:

In the last 8 nba drafts there have been more european player draft bust then american players. Look what happen last year we took gallanari when there was better talen avaible like erick gordon, dj augustin, brook lopez, jason thompson, anthony radolph, bradon rush, cortney lee, george hill, darrel arthor, mareese speights,and javale mcgee
. All those guys did better then he did so my question is this do you really want to pass up beter overal talent just to get a project player certainly i don't.

Just to stick with last years draft, I still take Gallo over all of the players you list (and that is in hindsight mind you). You are comparing and injured Gallo to all those guys. All I can say is lets ask this question at the end of this or next season, and then both of us will have a better idea.

The game is changing and you are going to see more and more Euros come. Further the games will probably blend more and more as well. I really wouldn't use past experience in this area as a predictor of future success. For one, some GREAT Euros have come over and for another the game is clearly changing (and blending again). We are clearly in a transition of sorts.
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6/4/2009  4:29 PM
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Portland has eyes for Curry

Don't be surprised if the Portland Trail Blazers trade into the lottery, looking to acquire Davidson's Stephen Curry.

The way I hear it, the Blazers (currently picking 24th) are nosing around to trade up and have Curry in their sights. Enough teams are willing to deal down that this is a real possibility. And it would be great for Curry in this regard:

A long-time NBA scout told me months ago that the ideal situation for Curry is to play point guard on a team with a shooting guard who can also handle the ball. That would allow Curry to spot up some, and maximize the impact of his shooting.

The Blazers have just such a player in Brandon Roy. Strikes me as a great match of a player and a system.
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6/4/2009  4:34 PM
Posted by lumbardar:

In the last 8 nba drafts there have been more european player draft bust then american players. Look what happen last year we took gallanari when there was better talen avaible like erick gordon, dj augustin, brook lopez, jason thompson, anthony radolph, bradon rush, cortney lee, george hill, darrel arthor, mareese speights,and javale mcgee
. All those guys did better then he did so my question is this do you really want to pass up beter overal talent just to get a project player certainly i don't.

haha...yeah gallo is a bust after 1 season where he barely played?

he might become one, sure, but already?

and where do you get the idea that in the past 8 nba drafts european players have become "busts" (a term that i'm not even sure is being defined here) at a higher rate than american players?

i'd be happy to look at all of the evidence, not just throwing out gallo versus all of the players picked below him last year (which is a pretty weak line of argumentation) and discuss it, otherwise i can also pick and chose plenty of contrary examples to your claim if we want to play that game.

scouting on american players has been much better over the past years, but international scouting has improved, as andy katz and chad ford stated just the other day during the workouts.

are you referring to strictly european players or international players across the board?

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6/4/2009  4:42 PM
Curry is the safer pick over Rubio, IMO, but Rubio has the higher upside.

Rubio is a better ball handler, distributor, defender. What you cannot be sure about is his shot. We know Curry can shoot now, and will always be able to shoot. He is a decent ball handler, an intelligent, if not overwhelming defender (picks up steals) with what we now know is a short wingspan, and by all accounts a pretty good distributor of the ball. We also know that his athletic ability is better than we thought.

IF Rubio can become a dependable jump shooter (he does not have to be as good as Curry) he will be the better player over time, and and his body matures as it should, and he develops the J, he will end up being something special on many levels.

I just don't know about Rubio's shot, and that is what makes me choose Curry.
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Posted by Paladin55:

Curry is the safer pick over Rubio, IMO, but Rubio has the higher upside.

Rubio is a better ball handler, distributor, defender. What you cannot be sure about is his shot. We know Curry can shoot now, and will always be able to shoot. He is a decent ball handler, an intelligent, if not overwhelming defender (picks up steals) with what we now know is a short wingspan, and by all accounts a pretty good distributor of the ball. We also know that his athletic ability is better than we thought.

IF Rubio can become a dependable jump shooter (he does not have to be as good as Curry) he will be the better player over time, and and his body matures as it should, and he develops the J, he will end up being something special on many levels.

I just don't know about Rubio's shot, and that is what makes me choose Curry.

Just like Reddick and Morrison were safe picks right?
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6/4/2009  4:52 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:
Posted by Paladin55:

Curry is the safer pick over Rubio, IMO, but Rubio has the higher upside.

Rubio is a better ball handler, distributor, defender. What you cannot be sure about is his shot. We know Curry can shoot now, and will always be able to shoot. He is a decent ball handler, an intelligent, if not overwhelming defender (picks up steals) with what we now know is a short wingspan, and by all accounts a pretty good distributor of the ball. We also know that his athletic ability is better than we thought.

IF Rubio can become a dependable jump shooter (he does not have to be as good as Curry) he will be the better player over time, and and his body matures as it should, and he develops the J, he will end up being something special on many levels.

I just don't know about Rubio's shot, and that is what makes me choose Curry.

Just like Reddick and Morrison were safe picks right?

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6/4/2009  4:53 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by JohnWallace44:
Posted by Paladin55:

Curry is the safer pick over Rubio, IMO, but Rubio has the higher upside.

Rubio is a better ball handler, distributor, defender. What you cannot be sure about is his shot. We know Curry can shoot now, and will always be able to shoot. He is a decent ball handler, an intelligent, if not overwhelming defender (picks up steals) with what we now know is a short wingspan, and by all accounts a pretty good distributor of the ball. We also know that his athletic ability is better than we thought.

IF Rubio can become a dependable jump shooter (he does not have to be as good as Curry) he will be the better player over time, and and his body matures as it should, and he develops the J, he will end up being something special on many levels.

I just don't know about Rubio's shot, and that is what makes me choose Curry.

Just like Reddick and Morrison were safe picks right?

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6/4/2009  4:57 PM
lumbardar -

let's start with the 2007 Draft.

we only have 3 european players picked in the 1st round:

18) Marco Belinelli
24) Rudy Fernandez
30) Petteri Koponen

Belinelli is a rotation player with pretty decent skills
Fernandez is a pretty well regarded player on a playoff team
Koponen is still in Europe under contract

So two mid-late 1st round picks are rotation players on their respective teams and pretty well regarded by the league.


Americans picked above both players that are arguably "busts" or not as good as them by what sounds like the standard you are using?

4) Mike Conley
8) Brandon Wright
11) Acie Law
13) Julian Wright
17) Sean Williams

and only applying to Fernandez:


19) Javaris Crittenton
20) Jason Smith
21) Daeqaun Cook
22) Jared Dudley

So, already we have 2 of 3 european players picked in the nba and doing fine or well in the league versus 9 American players out of the top 24 that when compared to them not doing as well, or on their own not getting much value from.

Basically, I've already thrown your claim out of whack and all I had to do was go back one year.

Sure, some of these players are not doing great or that badly, but the 2 European players that are in the league from that draft are not busts by any means, while we can see that there were several American players considered "busts" already in the 2007 draft.



[Edited by - PresIke on 06-04-2009 4:58 PM]
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6/4/2009  5:00 PM
I am really liking Curry right now and would love to him with the 8th pick. I would be really bummed if he is snatched up before 8.
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6/4/2009  5:41 PM
In terms of gallo, I'm not sure how many years you have to play to be considered a bust. Go. Back to (I call it the highschool draft) 2002 draft with curry and chandler being 2 of the top picks, are they considered to be bust. IMO hell yeah, but guys like will chandler, lee and nate could have easily been a lottery pick. The question to me is weather all top picks should be franchise potential and should they have to produce there first season to not be considered a bust. Honestly there are more overall 2nd pick role players like van horn, camby ect then anything. How many franchise players today are 1st overall picks, not many. Rubio and curry both seem like a can't lose situition, sort of like chris paul and deron williams
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6/4/2009  5:43 PM
Posted by NYKBocker:

I am really liking Curry right now and would love to him with the 8th pick. I would be really bummed if he is snatched up before 8.


Same here it would be just like old times with the Knicks in it but on the out looking in. With that said I wouldn't mind Derozan, Evans or Holiday if curry is off the board. I would like to see the Knicks make a bold move and trade up to get what they want, they have the assets so why not make the move.
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6/4/2009  6:09 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by JohnWallace44:
Posted by Paladin55:

Curry is the safer pick over Rubio, IMO, but Rubio has the higher upside.

Rubio is a better ball handler, distributor, defender. What you cannot be sure about is his shot. We know Curry can shoot now, and will always be able to shoot. He is a decent ball handler, an intelligent, if not overwhelming defender (picks up steals) with what we now know is a short wingspan, and by all accounts a pretty good distributor of the ball. We also know that his athletic ability is better than we thought.

IF Rubio can become a dependable jump shooter (he does not have to be as good as Curry) he will be the better player over time, and and his body matures as it should, and he develops the J, he will end up being something special on many levels.

I just don't know about Rubio's shot, and that is what makes me choose Curry.

Just like Reddick and Morrison were safe picks right?

The Reddick-Morrison finals start tonight!!!

I like them both, and I think a team can win with both, but can anyone guarantee that Rubio will develop an outside game? To me, a pick is "safer" (please not that I am not saying "safe"), IMO, when a player does not have any glaring weaknesses that need to be addressed. Curry can do many of the things that Rubio can, to some degree or another, but Rubio cannot come close to Curry's outside shot at this point, and for all we know he may never develop a jumper. Mardy Collins does not have terrible form on his J, but after 3 years you still cannot count on him hitting an open jumper. I would love to pick up Rubio, but who know what will happen with his shot over time.

I would have also considered Jordan to be a "safe" pick, I might add.

[Edited by - Paladin55 on 06-04-2009 6:12 PM]
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