How many jordans have there been in the nba. Your talking about a guy who was simple the best guard on the planet. There's an exception with MJ and everone knows it there's nothing regular about him once he figured it all out.

Posted by knicks1248:

How many jordans have there been in the nba. Your talking about a guy who was simple the best guard on the planet. There's an exception with MJ and everone knows it there's nothing regular about him once he figured it all out.

Jordan was not the best on the planet until Phil got there.

Posted by Nalod:

Posted by knicks1248:

How many jordans have there been in the nba. Your talking about a guy who was simple the best guard on the planet. There's an exception with MJ and everone knows it there's nothing regular about him once he figured it all out.

Jordan was not the best on the planet until Phil got there.

Nalod stop the drugs please??? Phil started in 1989. Here are the years before Phil.

Year 1: 28.2 points, 6.5 rebounds, 5.9 assists, 2.39 steals, .84 blocks and 52% from the field.
He won rookie of the year and was voted to the all-star team.

Year 2: Michael breaks his foot and sits out the majority of the season. Comes back in the playoffs against one of the greatest teams of our generation(Boston Celtics) and scores 63 points in a playoff game. I think this is the NBa playoff record. Larry Bird called him "God disguised as Michael Jordan". In year 2 after sitting out the majority of the year, one of the greatest NBa player of all time is calling him God. His team loses not because Jordan isn't great, but because he's young, learning the game and his team stinks. Like Lebron he can't do it all. He had already thrust himself into the conversation with Bird and Magic(all time greats in their prime) during year two even though he suffered a major injury

Year 3: 37.1 points, 5.2 rebounds, 4.6 assists, 2.88 steals, 1.52 blocks, 48% from the field.
Second player ever to score 3000 points in a season(Wilt was first). First ever to have 200 steals and 100 blocks. By year 3 it's already obvious to all but Nalod and a handful of reporters that can't see that he is single handedly willing his team to mediocrity. At this point he is arguably the best in basketball.

Year 4: 35.0 points, 5.5 rebounds, 5.9 assists, 3.16 steals, 1.60 blocks and .54% from the field(MVP and defensive player of the year)
At this point it's obvious that he is the best in the league. There is no more argument. He does everything better then everyone. He dominates on offense, defense and is leading his team to victory. He's also in his mid twenties and learning how to win. His will is already legendary. It was legendary during his rookie year, but by now everyone is afraid of him and he is unstoppable offensively and defensively. Like Lebron and Kobe it's already obvious that MJ will be competing for titles for the rest of his career, but he does need someone to put him over the top.

Enter Phil. Phil puts the team over the top. Phil helps Michael mature and implements an offense that helps a team win titles. Without Phil, Michael probably doesn't win as many titles. Without Michael, Phil doesn't win until he marries Shaq and Kobe. Without Pippen they don't win as many either. Phil was a key reason they won as many titles as they did, but Michael was going to be winning titles no matter who was coach. Phil just got him when he was entering his prime.

Summary of the 4 years before Phil
1 rookie of the year
1 MVP
4 time all-star
1 defensive player of the year
2 time 1st team all NBA
1 all-star game MVP
2 time slam dunk champion
2nd player to score over 3000 points
1st ever to score 3000, get 200 steals and 100 blocks(did it twice in his first 4 seasons)


[Edited by - bippity10 on 03-06-2009 4:01 PM]



[Edited by - bippity10 on 03-06-2009 4:04 PM]

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by Nalod:

Posted by knicks1248:

How many jordans have there been in the nba. Your talking about a guy who was simple the best guard on the planet. There's an exception with MJ and everone knows it there's nothing regular about him once he figured it all out.

Jordan was not the best on the planet until Phil got there.

Nalod stop the drugs please??? Phil started in 1989. Here are the years before Phil.

Year 1: 28.2 points, 6.5 rebounds, 5.9 assists, 2.39 steals, .84 blocks and 52% from the field.
He won rookie of the year and was voted to the all-star team.

Year 2: Michael breaks his foot and sits out the majority of the season. Comes back in the playoffs against one of the greatest teams of our generation(Boston Celtics) and scores 63 points in a playoff game. I think this is the NBa playoff record. Larry Bird called him "God disguised as Michael Jordan". In year 2 after sitting out the majority of the year, one of the greatest NBa player of all time is calling him God. His team loses not because Jordan isn't great, but because he's young, learning the game and his team stinks. Like Lebron he can't do it all. He had already thrust himself into the conversation with Bird and Magic(all time greats in their prime) during year two even though he suffered a major injury

Year 3: 37.1 points, 5.2 rebounds, 4.6 assists, 2.88 steals, 1.52 blocks, 48% from the field.
Second player ever to score 3000 points in a season(Wilt was first). First ever to have 200 steals and 100 blocks. By year 3 it's already obvious to all but Nalod and a handful of reporters that can't see that he is single handedly willing his team to mediocrity. At this point he is arguably the best in basketball.

Year 4: 35.0 points, 5.5 rebounds, 5.9 assists, 3.16 steals, 1.60 blocks and .54% from the field(MVP and defensive player of the year)
At this point it's obvious that he is the best in the league. There is no more argument. He does everything better then everyone. He dominates on offense, defense and is leading his team to victory. He's also in his mid twenties and learning how to win. His will is already legendary. It was legendary during his rookie year, but by now everyone is afraid of him and he is unstoppable offensively and defensively. Like Lebron and Kobe it's already obvious that MJ will be competing for titles for the rest of his career, but he does need someone to put him over the top.

Enter Phil. Phil puts the team over the top. Phil helps Michael mature and implements an offense that helps a team win titles. Without Phil, Michael probably doesn't win as many titles. Without Michael, Phil doesn't win until he marries Shaq and Kobe. Without Pippen they don't win as many either. Phil was a key reason they won as many titles as they did, but Michael was going to be winning titles no matter who was coach. Phil just got him when he was entering his prime.

Summary of the 4 years before Phil
1 rookie of the year
1 MVP
4 time all-star
1 defensive player of the year
2 time 1st team all NBA
1 all-star game MVP
2 time slam dunk champion
2nd player to score over 3000 points
1st ever to score 3000, get 200 steals and 100 blocks(did it twice in his first 4 seasons)

i think nalod was talking about jordan farmar....

HA!!!!!!

Posted by GKFv2:

It is not mutually exclusive but Orlando and Los Angeles are not world beaters on defense. The Lakers low post defense is terrible and soft. But they have Kobe so it works out in the end. Orlando has Howard. It's more than just defense to win a title. Of course teams can't win a title by playing Isiah/Knicks-era defense. You have to play defense in order to get to where these teams are but you can make up for some defensive mishaps if you have some outstanding offensive players. Both teams have that.

Therefore you don't have to have some lockdown Van Gundy/Riley defense that holfresh proposes. He forgets D'Antoni's teams almost went to the Finals and they ranked in the top 5 or top 10 in those Hollinger stats on defense. They also lose Nash (and Amare I think?) to suspension because of Horry and lost the series to the Spurs and never got close again. D'Antoni's system got them 55 wins a year and inches away from going to the NBA Finals. He is a damn good coach.

Other than the fact that I never said you have to be a "lock down" defensive team to win a Championship, The teams that have won Championship over the last 40 years did play better than average to very good defense...Can you please show me the quotes where I said what you claim I was saying...I can list the NBA Champions over the last 40 years, there you would see well over 90 percent of the teams that have won were considered very good defensive teams...

MDA almost making it to the NBA Championship is not vindication that his style of play trumps the conventional style that wins Championships which is defense, rebounding, and free throw shooting...All of which, however, runs counter to a team that employs SSOS...I wish I had the time to get into this but I really don't....

lol that jordan farmar is just plain funny:)):))