Posted by earthmansurfer:

We could always trade Mobley's 9.5 million (7 million of it is INSURED) dollar expiring contract for a like contract player and get a first along with it. That is a HUGE savings for a team. I believe we could trade it for an approximate 7.5 million dollar contract and a first round pick (roughly a salary of between 1 and 2 million).

So a team would in a sense be getting rid of their salaried player's salary FOR FREE and selling their first round pick for profit. IF we did that we could probably count on A LOT hire of a pick, cause 7 million is a lot to just write off the books.

I honestly can't see a team in financial trouble turning that down.

THat deal makes more sense for the Grizzles. Why would they give us Darko, who makes $7 mill for Q, who makes $9 mil, even if we are willing to pay $3 mill for the #27 pick. Now if we offered Mobley's contract for Darko and the #27 pick, I think they take that easy. I would rather go for Minny's pick at #18 though (although Darko would fill a need for a 7 footer with some defensive capability).

Posted by Bippity10:

I like what Walsh is doing. He purged our roster of the majority of the malcontents and those infected with losing. He cleared up cap space so that we can be a player in the free-agent market. He has brought in reasonable short contracts and has gotten us in position to be an actual player in the trade market. He's now working on gaining extra draft picks to use or to trade. After that, time to target veterans that have won before and can teach our youth. He has taken this organization and gotten us out of the handicapped/hamstrung position we were in and at least has us in position to make improvements. Now he just has to make the right personnel decisions.

The only thing we haven't done in the last year is tank and lose as many games as we can to seal a top 3 pick.

Yup. I'm loving what Walsh is doing/has done so far. The fact that were in position to do a multitude of different things to improve our team is something we haven't seen here in a looooooong time.

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by Bippity10:

I like what Walsh is doing. He purged our roster of the majority of the malcontents and those infected with losing. He cleared up cap space so that we can be a player in the free-agent market. He has brought in reasonable short contracts and has gotten us in position to be an actual player in the trade market. He's now working on gaining extra draft picks to use or to trade. After that, time to target veterans that have won before and can teach our youth. He has taken this organization and gotten us out of the handicapped/hamstrung position we were in and at least has us in position to make improvements. Now he just has to make the right personnel decisions.

The only thing we haven't done in the last year is tank and lose as many games as we can to seal a top 3 pick.

Yup. I'm loving what Walsh is doing/has done so far. The fact that were in position to do a multitude of different things to improve our team is something we haven't seen here in a looooooong time.

Um, Walsh has moved us from being a terrible team with a terrible cap situation to a terrible team with a bad cap situation.

Baby steps I guess.

He missed the opportunity to get full value for Nate and Lee in my opinion at the deadline last year.

This draft is huge. What he does with Lee and Nate is huge.

Let's see what happens.

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by JohnWallace44:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by Bippity10:

I like what Walsh is doing. He purged our roster of the majority of the malcontents and those infected with losing. He cleared up cap space so that we can be a player in the free-agent market. He has brought in reasonable short contracts and has gotten us in position to be an actual player in the trade market. He's now working on gaining extra draft picks to use or to trade. After that, time to target veterans that have won before and can teach our youth. He has taken this organization and gotten us out of the handicapped/hamstrung position we were in and at least has us in position to make improvements. Now he just has to make the right personnel decisions.

The only thing we haven't done in the last year is tank and lose as many games as we can to seal a top 3 pick.

Yup. I'm loving what Walsh is doing/has done so far. The fact that were in position to do a multitude of different things to improve our team is something we haven't seen here in a looooooong time.

Um, Walsh has moved us from being a terrible team with a terrible cap situation to a terrible team with a bad cap situation.

Baby steps I guess.

He missed the opportunity to get full value for Nate and Lee in my opinion at the deadline last year.

This draft is huge. What he does with Lee and Nate is huge.

Let's see what happens.

Wow this team has a bad cap situation? Have you been paying attention at all?

Give him a break, he got his username from one of the biggest busts in Knick history.

Posted by JohnWallace44:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by Bippity10:

I like what Walsh is doing. He purged our roster of the majority of the malcontents and those infected with losing. He cleared up cap space so that we can be a player in the free-agent market. He has brought in reasonable short contracts and has gotten us in position to be an actual player in the trade market. He's now working on gaining extra draft picks to use or to trade. After that, time to target veterans that have won before and can teach our youth. He has taken this organization and gotten us out of the handicapped/hamstrung position we were in and at least has us in position to make improvements. Now he just has to make the right personnel decisions.

The only thing we haven't done in the last year is tank and lose as many games as we can to seal a top 3 pick.

Yup. I'm loving what Walsh is doing/has done so far. The fact that were in position to do a multitude of different things to improve our team is something we haven't seen here in a looooooong time.

Um, Walsh has moved us from being a terrible team with a terrible cap situation to a terrible team with a bad cap situation.

Baby steps I guess.

He missed the opportunity to get full value for Nate and Lee in my opinion at the deadline last year.

This draft is huge. What he does with Lee and Nate is huge.

Let's see what happens.

1.) Yes, it is babysteps. You don't think we were going to go from a team that won 23 games two out of three years, with the worst attitude and one of the biggest embarrassments in basketball to a solid team overnight. We weren't in position to make a Ray Allen/KG type trade. We were in the pits and yes it's going to take a little bit to get us back to respectability. You have to know in your heart how deep we sank before this season. You don't get out of that overnight.

2.) What's wrong with our cap situation?

3.) I don't disagree with you about Lee and Nate. Things could have been done differently. But the door has not been closed on Nate and Lee so why assume that the result will be bad. We are a few years away from competing and a lot can happen in that time. Lee/Nate could be lost for nothing. Lee/Nate could be traded for gold. Too early to be upset at this point.

4.) I don't expect my GM/Coach to be perfect. I expect them to have a plan, follow that plan and make sure that things trend in a positive direction. After 1 year what are our complaints? We didn't jettison everyone and tank for the top pick? Lee and Nate aren't signed? If we look at the results we all asked for(work on the cap space, marginalize the malcontents, change the atmosphere, fire Isiah) then we are on the right track. No GM is going to be perfect, but until he makes a move that actually hurts us, the rest is just being upset because the GM did not make the exact moves that you wanted.

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by JohnWallace44:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by Bippity10:

I like what Walsh is doing. He purged our roster of the majority of the malcontents and those infected with losing. He cleared up cap space so that we can be a player in the free-agent market. He has brought in reasonable short contracts and has gotten us in position to be an actual player in the trade market. He's now working on gaining extra draft picks to use or to trade. After that, time to target veterans that have won before and can teach our youth. He has taken this organization and gotten us out of the handicapped/hamstrung position we were in and at least has us in position to make improvements. Now he just has to make the right personnel decisions.

The only thing we haven't done in the last year is tank and lose as many games as we can to seal a top 3 pick.

Yup. I'm loving what Walsh is doing/has done so far. The fact that were in position to do a multitude of different things to improve our team is something we haven't seen here in a looooooong time.

Um, Walsh has moved us from being a terrible team with a terrible cap situation to a terrible team with a bad cap situation.

Baby steps I guess.

He missed the opportunity to get full value for Nate and Lee in my opinion at the deadline last year.

This draft is huge. What he does with Lee and Nate is huge.

Let's see what happens.

Wow this team has a bad cap situation? Have you been paying attention at all?

Take a gander at other team's salary structures there before you get too excited there champ. Any team with Jeffries and Curry sitting on the bench is not in a good cap situation.

How would you characterize it?

If we were in a good cap situation we wouldn't be debating giving Lee or Nate a contract.

We have no pick next year.

Portland, San Antonio, OKC - they have really good caps.

Yes, we've moved ahead of Golden State, Indiana and Washington. Forgive me for not jumping for joy here.

The two max player plan is a myth by the way. There's no possible way we'll have room for two max players given the economy, its effect on the cap number, and the current cap commitments.