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BRIGGS
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5/30/2009  9:36 PM
I dont see any small players under 6-3 really doing anything in these playoffs. I dont mind one of Derozan Evans or Mullens but i think we need the C. I wonder what his athletic numbers came in at in terms of vertical and agility for a 7-1 260 pound guy. he has the same type of athletic explosion that Dwight has where he can explode from a standing position to elevate over other players to dunk/get rebounds etc..

Hire a real good interior big man coach--keep the guy 10 feet and in and he's going to surprise people--especially in up tempo. You think David Lee is a quick riser--this kid is more explosive and 4 inches taller.
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5/30/2009  9:55 PM
Posted by MaTT4281:

I constantly hear people criticize how weak this draft is, but to be honest, this is as comfortable going into a draft as I have been in a long time. Whether it's Curry, Derozan, Holiday, or Jennings (despite not hearing anything too recent on him), I'm feeling pretty damn confident we'll wind up with a good player.

Hell, if Rubio's stock is really falling as reported, we may be able to make one last power play to move up.

I'm excited for June 25th.

agree... there might not be all that many franchise calibre blue chippers in this draft class but there's a ton of kids who can project to be very good players in the NBA... i think this draft is very deep.
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5/30/2009  10:07 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

I dont see any small players under 6-3 really doing anything in these playoffs. I dont mind one of Derozan Evans or Mullens but i think we need the C. I wonder what his athletic numbers came in at in terms of vertical and agility for a 7-1 260 pound guy. he has the same type of athletic explosion that Dwight has where he can explode from a standing position to elevate over other players to dunk/get rebounds etc..

Hire a real good interior big man coach--keep the guy 10 feet and in and he's going to surprise people--especially in up tempo. You think David Lee is a quick riser--this kid is more explosive and 4 inches taller.

To be fair, it's not like Tony Parker/Deron Williams/Chris Paul/Derrick Rose were all duds in the first round of the playoffs, and despite quick exits, they're the reason their teams were there in the first place. Billups was being praised until he drastically cooled down the last 2 games of the LA series, and you'd be crazy to think the Magic wouldn't welcome back Jameer Nelson with open arms.

That said, I know you love Mullens, and I wouldn't be upset if Walsh decides to go that route come draft night, but as other posters have mentioned - if we decide to take Mullens - I'd want to trade down and get some extra value out of that pick. I haven't heard anything thus far to suggest he wouldn't still be there at 16 if we wanted try try and snag 16 and 26 from Chicago in exchange for 8.
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5/31/2009  1:27 AM
Posted by MaTT4281:
Posted by BRIGGS:

I dont see any small players under 6-3 really doing anything in these playoffs. I dont mind one of Derozan Evans or Mullens but i think we need the C. I wonder what his athletic numbers came in at in terms of vertical and agility for a 7-1 260 pound guy. he has the same type of athletic explosion that Dwight has where he can explode from a standing position to elevate over other players to dunk/get rebounds etc..

Hire a real good interior big man coach--keep the guy 10 feet and in and he's going to surprise people--especially in up tempo. You think David Lee is a quick riser--this kid is more explosive and 4 inches taller.

To be fair, it's not like Tony Parker/Deron Williams/Chris Paul/Derrick Rose were all duds in the first round of the playoffs, and despite quick exits, they're the reason their teams were there in the first place. Billups was being praised until he drastically cooled down the last 2 games of the LA series, and you'd be crazy to think the Magic wouldn't welcome back Jameer Nelson with open arms.

That said, I know you love Mullens, and I wouldn't be upset if Walsh decides to go that route come draft night, but as other posters have mentioned - if we decide to take Mullens - I'd want to trade down and get some extra value out of that pick. I haven't heard anything thus far to suggest he wouldn't still be there at 16 if we wanted try try and snag 16 and 26 from Chicago in exchange for 8.

I don't know---I just do know that we will NOT be a winning team until we focus on getting bigger--it's just the way it is--they cant fantasize about having 4 Steve Nash's but until we build up the brick and mortar postions we will be fundamentally weak even with a top 3 rebounder on the team[and who knows if we lose him---gosh he's got us by the blls]

We cant have this thing where the focus is just getting guys who are finesse 3 point shooters--that is only one focus of the game. Steph Curry is a good player and he should be a pretty solid pro but we will not win games until the focus is building up the frontline.
The only guy that I like for a PG at 8 is Evans because of his size--other than that I think that you can find a PG like Teague later in the draft who can be very suitable.
If we had a C and Lee signed perhaps I would have an altered view but the reality is no C no contract for David Lee
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5/31/2009  2:03 AM
briggs do you like teague better than patty mills?

i like the idea of getting a 2nd pick and building up the frontline since there is nothing there right now. the cupboard is bare -- lee is toast and not that good anyway.
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5/31/2009  2:14 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

I don't know---I just do know that we will NOT be a winning team until we focus on getting bigger--it's just the way it is--they cant fantasize about having 4 Steve Nash's but until we build up the brick and mortar postions we will be fundamentally weak even with a top 3 rebounder on the team[and who knows if we lose him---gosh he's got us by the blls]

We cant have this thing where the focus is just getting guys who are finesse 3 point shooters--that is only one focus of the game. Steph Curry is a good player and he should be a pretty solid pro but we will not win games until the focus is building up the frontline.
The only guy that I like for a PG at 8 is Evans because of his size--other than that I think that you can find a PG like Teague later in the draft who can be very suitable.
If we had a C and Lee signed perhaps I would have an altered view but the reality is no C no contract for David Lee

Fair enough, and if you're convinced Mullens is the difference maker we need in this draft, you take him - no questions asked. I don't happen share that conviction just yet and have never liked the idea of drafting for position. You just never know what kind of deals come up during the season or what kind of free agents you can sign (Amare?).

I'll be the first to tell you, I have not seen nearly as much of this kid as you have - going off mostly youtube clips and scouting reports. Right now, I do have questions regarding his defense, which is what I think this team needs from either the 4 or the 5 much more than another scoring option - especially if we're going into battle with a re-signed DLee. Again, if you're convinced he's the BPA - take him and iron out the details later, but in my opinion, the guards in this draft just keep looking better and better.
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5/31/2009  5:34 AM
offer MIN a deal of Cuttino Mobley's contract + $3 mil in cash for Brian Cardinal & Mark Madsen's expirings & the #18 pick.

this is a wash for both teams cap wise, but the T'Wolves do get an extra $3 mil along w/opening up 2 roster spots to make room for their #6 lottery selection along w/another free agent that would basically be paid for by the Knicks.

right now the T'Wolves have 13 players under contract for next season... so they have little room to add 2 more 1st round selections to their roster this year & still find playing time for all their guys... this is in essence trading the #18 pick for $3 mil in cash & 2 more roster spots... i think this is a trade that's reasonable & one we can easily make to add an extra 1st round pick that benefits both teams.

w/that #18 we can use it to move up in the draft to #5 & take Derozan, or at the very least we can probably nab at least 1 of these prospects - BJ Mullens, Jrue Holiday, Jeff Teague, Chase Budinger, DeJuan Blair
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5/31/2009  3:05 PM
CHICAGO -- When Knicks team president Donnie Walsh last succeeded in the lottery 21 years ago, the former Pacers president jumped to the second pick and selected 7-foot-4 Marist graduate Rik Smits, who led a Pacers renaissance.

"I remember he had to duck through the door every time he walked into my office," Walsh said. "I haven't had a player whose had to duck since."

It is why Walsh is so intrigued with Hasheem Thabeet, UConn's 7-3 junior shotblocker. Walsh interviewed Thabeet during the Chicago NBA Draft combine Wednesday and is the only prospect he views worthy enough to give up a decent asset to move up from No. 8 in the draft. The Knicks were last in shotblocking the past two seasons.


http://www.nypost.com/seven/05312009/sports/knicks/walsh_has_eye_on_big_man_thabeet_171765.htm

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5/31/2009  3:53 PM
There may be the chance to trade with OKC.
• Oklahoma City has a Stephen Curry fixation. The Thunder attended all of Curry's home games at Davidson this past season and is looking at him as a potential shooting guard. But they'll almost certainly move down from the No. 3 pick if they decide to take him. Scouts are not only high on Curry's shooting, but also think he can make players better around him. "When you look at that Davidson team, they barely had any other Division I players," said one scout.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/2009/05/30/2009-05-30_these_lakers_ready_for_knockout.html

I'm not sure what OKC would want from us if they traded down (unless we could get another late pick).
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5/31/2009  7:05 PM
if we're moving up to #3 it's to get Rubio in all likelihood.
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5/31/2009  8:35 PM
I understand you guys love ricky rubio but the fact is this in this draft we get a point guard in this draft other then rick rubio. Our biggest problem was we didn't have a center because lot of teams scored so many points in the paint. I think it is better to grab thabeet because we need a shot blocker and a defensive anchor plus this draft doesn't have lot of big guys this draft mainly for point guard. It is also harder find a good quality big guy then a guard. What are we going to do if david lee goes somewhere else we won't have anybody to replace him or is ricky rubio going to play center. You guys give this ricky rubio to much hype for no good reason. This draft has so many good point guards like teague,holiday,mills,evans,curry,collision,jermaine taylor,maynor,flynn,ty lawson, curtis jerrels and jodie meeks. I got question for you guys is ricky rubio going to do what derrick rose did in his rookie year I think not.
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5/31/2009  9:19 PM
Chalk me up for team Rubio. I was definitely impressed with him in the Olympics, and all the video's I've seen, all the scouting reports I've read, I come away in love with his tenacity, his play making abilities, the fact that he doesn't shy away from contact or playing defense, and he's just turning 19 this year. I just don't see what there is not to like about him.

I never bought into the LeBron hype in 2003. I criticized Orlando for not taking Emeka in '04. I'll be damned if I'm missing another hot draft prospect.

All of this is irrelevant either way. Even if we are hypothetically able to move up to #3, Memphis is making our decision for us.
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5/31/2009  9:45 PM
Posted by TMS:

if we're moving up to #3 it's to get Rubio Thabeet in all likelihood.

FTFY

Walsh interviewed Thabeet during the Chicago NBA Draft combine Wednesday and is the only prospect he views worthy enough to give up a decent asset to move up from No. 8 in the draft.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/05312009/sports/knicks/walsh_has_eye_on_big_man_thabeet_171765.htm
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5/31/2009  10:42 PM
Also in the article:
By MARC BERMAN

Tommy Dee already addressed this in a blog, but there's absolutely no quotes from Walsh in there claiming Thabeet is the only one he'd move up for. Just Berman speculating at this point.

[Edited by - matt4281 on 05-31-2009 10:43 PM]
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Posted by lumbardar:

I understand you guys love ricky rubio but the fact is this in this draft we get a point guard in this draft other then rick rubio. Our biggest problem was we didn't have a center because lot of teams scored so many points in the paint. I think it is better to grab thabeet because we need a shot blocker and a defensive anchor plus this draft doesn't have lot of big guys this draft mainly for point guard. It is also harder find a good quality big guy then a guard. What are we going to do if david lee goes somewhere else we won't have anybody to replace him or is ricky rubio going to play center. You guys give this ricky rubio to much hype for no good reason. This draft has so many good point guards like teague,holiday,mills,evans,curry,collision,jermaine taylor,maynor,flynn,ty lawson, curtis jerrels and jodie meeks. I got question for you guys is ricky rubio going to do what derrick rose did in his rookie year I think not.

i just think MDA & Walsh view him as the ideal fit & i don't think we'd be moving up to #3 to take Curry & definitely not for any of those other PG's you just listed... & if the rumors are true then MEM is seriously considering taking Thabeet #2 because Rubio doesn't want to play there... i'm just speculating here but i think Rubio would be the guy if the Knicks ended up trading up to #3... i'd have no problem w/that if they did cuz Rubio can be a potential franchise changing prospect IMO.
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6/1/2009  8:17 AM
IMO Walsh isn't trading up for Rubio when he can get Curry Evans Holiday or Jennings at 8. Isn't enough difference in game breaking potential to justify giving up any assets for Rubio.

[Edited by - McK1 on 01-06-2009 08:17 AM]
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6/1/2009  1:28 PM
if the knicks don't get to move up in the draft then i think it is almost imperative (assuming this is possible and not costing more than what its worth) that we find a way to land an extra pick in the 1st round.

we have gaping holes and are weak at guard and center, and there are many guards and a few bigs that could help.

this could also give us some legroom with nate.

over the past few years many have commented on how the knicks need a shot blocking big, but we need at least one guard just as badly.

you have to expect some of these guys to be there in the mid-late 1st:

teague
lawson
maynor
mullens
henderson

i would be more than cool with getting one of them them along with whoever we pick at 8.

if we go by d'antoni's comment the knicks are looking at 4-5 players they realistically expect to draft at 8 to fill team needs here's my guess:

curry
holiday
jennings (okay, well i hope so)
flynn

however if we can get an extra pick, then we can take a little bit more of a risk on some guys who i think if we only have 1 pick we won't draft at 8 but have a lot of potential, particularly:

evans
deronzan

otherwise if we only have 1 pick and we take flynn over deronzan and evans i am concerned some here might just go shoot themselves...lol

[Edited by - PresIke on 06-01-2009 1:29 PM]

[Edited by - PresIke on 06-01-2009 1:29 PM]
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6/1/2009  6:41 PM
Teague is tailor made for this offense and team. Dude has to be the most underrated and undervalue guy in the draft.
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6/1/2009  7:00 PM
Posted by McK1:

IMO Walsh isn't trading up for Rubio when he can get Curry Evans Holiday or Jennings at 8. Isn't enough difference in game breaking potential to justify giving up any assets for Rubio.

[Edited by - McK1 on 01-06-2009 08:17 AM]

i personally think the closest PG prospect to Rubio in terms of size & defensive ability is Holiday... Curry projects as a completely different kind of PG than Rubio & so does Jennings... i guess it all depends on what MDA wants his PG to be doing in his system... if he's looking for an orchestrator & someone who plays defense on the perimeter, i think Rubio is the guy he's gonna be lusting after... that don't mean we have what it takes to move up to take him obviously, but if the opportunity is there i don't think Walsh will pass it up personally.
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6/1/2009  9:06 PM
Rubio looks like he'd be killer on an And1 tour.

2 things I've noticed absent from his highlight reel is

* him rebounding or in the defensive paint period

* him finishing with his left hand or even going left at all

also noticed he shoots a set shot

didn't see this stand out defensive ability either. Even Marbury has captions in his highlight reel of picking pockets. Talk of somebody being a defender I expect to see a highlight reel where the guy is all over the place on the D end like Derozan's or Jrue's.

Overall I don't think Walsh is 100% get MDA what he wants. IMO Donnie is more what wins titles in this league. He may be more flexible than Kerr but I doubt Rubio's fancy passing to fuel SSOL is what Donnie envisions being the key to getting pass a Lebron or a Howard the next 5-10 years.

He let MDA ride on the Marbury issue all the way to another 50 loss season. Doubt MDA has as long a leash personnel wise going into this year.

we won't really know though till the draft







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