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Knicks prefer Rubio over Griffin and 7-foot 3 Thabeet - Per the New York Post
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oohah
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5/17/2009  10:45 PM
Posted by nixluva:

You have to imagine that scouts who have seen all the games Rubio has played and who's job it is to project how a players talents should progress in the future have some idea of what they're talking about. We know one thing about MDA and that is he requires a PG who has a HIGH BB IQ, is fearless, can shoot and make his teammates better. The better the PG, the better his system works, so why not have an eye out for PG's who have the right skills to be a success in his system?

Now if they feel that Griffin is a lock superstar big, it would make things a bit tougher, but I get the idea that MDA's system is less reliant on a big post presence, so there would naturally be less of a premium put on that. it could also be that the Knicks feel they can get a good big who is proven somewhere else. So going after the PG in this draft would make sense.

So you don't know either?

Scouts thought Skita was great too.

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5/17/2009  10:47 PM
okay, i give up.

no one knows anything about rubio, and if they do they're lying because there's a c-o-n-sporasy by the nba to help the knicks, but really we're cursed, so he has to be a certified bust.

walsh will definitely take him because mike d should be caled mike antoni instead.

our franchise will never draft well because history tells me that isiah and layden's ghost will haunt us for 1000 years. i mean the nets are coming to brooklyn, and i am paranoid about this.

i know this because i am the best damn sports fan period, and anyone who disagrees with me is just a mad hatter or blind luva.

Forum Po Po and #33 for a reason...
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5/17/2009  10:47 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by GKFv2:

[quote]Posted by oohah:

I didn't know Tony Parker was that good coming into the league. Same goes for Calderon and Rondo. I guess Rubio should come in ready to be a star point guard or else he sucks. That's too bad.

Perhaps it was a little before your time but Parker was a pretty damn good player as a rookie, was incredible in Europe, and won an NBA championship in I believe his second year. And he wasn't a bystander in that run, he took over games. Rondo and Calderon were both known quantities in what their capabilities were.Rondo went in the bottom third and I beleive calderon went undrafted.

And I fail to see your point. I asked what it is that everybody is so excited about, specifically in this forum. I ask that because I am pretty sure we all have just about the same amount of experience watching him which was in the Olympics and some youtube highlights, maybe.

So can you tell me why everyone is so excited about him? Because your reply had nothing to do with my question? OKay, I'll give you someone who was really really good in college: Kirk Hinrich. What makes him better than Kirk Hinrich.

You really haven't seen Rubio play much have you?

oohah

A little before my time? No dude, no. Tony Parker was not the same player as a rookie as he is now. I can go into a detailed explanation but I don't really want to because it's not worth it. If you think Rubio should come in and be a star PG the minute he steps onto the court then your expectations are unreasonable. Just like how you view Thabeet. Unreasonable. You have your opinion and I have mine. I can't change it so arguing with you is pointless but I will say one thing: Rubio has amazing handles, he has a great basketball IQ and he is a playmaker. He doesn't have a good shot right now but that can be fixed. Nobody said he's going to average 20 PPG and we don't need him to. We need him to run an offense. He can do that.

As for seeing Rubio, yes I have although only in a few games. As I am Greek, I have seen some Euroleague games. He has all the tools to be a PG in the mold of a Steve Nash but he is still young. Way young. He will develop over time. Would I take him #1? No. Griffin all day. #2? Hell yes. There is no better prospect in this drat after Griffin than Rubio. No better prospect. That includes Thabeet, Derozan, Curry, Jennings and anyone else.

It's all moot in the end as we're getting #8 or #9 anyway.
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5/17/2009  10:50 PM
the end is nigh!

repent, knick fans, before it's too late!
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5/17/2009  10:52 PM
Posted by PresIke:

okay, i give up.

no one knows anything about rubio, and if they do they're lying because there's a c-o-n-sporasy by the nba to help the knicks, but really we're cursed, so he has to be a certified bust.

walsh will definitely take him because mike d should be caled mike antoni instead.

our franchise will never draft well because history tells me that isiah and layden's ghost will haunt us for 1000 years. i mean the nets are coming to brooklyn, and i am paranoid about this.

i know this because i am the best damn sports fan period, and anyone who disagrees with me is just a mad hatter or blind luva.


ike - there's no conspiracy. all key positions in the knicks offices are now taken over by nba employees. they have stepped in and are taking over the organization. stern flexed his juice card.
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5/17/2009  11:09 PM
A little before my time? No dude, no. Tony Parker was not the same player as a rookie as he is now. I can go into a detailed explanation but I don't really want to because it's not worth it. If you think Rubio should come in and be a star PG the minute he steps onto the court then your expectations are unreasonable. Just like how you view Thabeet. Unreasonable. You have your opinion and I have mine. I can't change it so arguing with you is pointless but I will say one thing: Rubio has amazing handles, he has a great basketball IQ and he is a playmaker. He doesn't have a good shot right now but that can be fixed. Nobody said he's going to average 20 PPG and we don't need him to. We need him to run an offense. He can do that.

As for seeing Rubio, yes I have although only in a few games. As I am Greek, I have seen some Euroleague games. He has all the tools to be a PG in the mold of a Steve Nash but he is still young. Way young. He will develop over time. Would I take him #1? No. Griffin all day. #2? Hell yes. There is no better prospect in this drat after Griffin than Rubio. No better prospect. That includes Thabeet, Derozan, Curry, Jennings and anyone else.

It's all moot in the end as we're getting #8 or #9 anyway.

First of all I did not say Parker was the same player he was now. But he was pretty damn good from day 1 and he has been a star for 5 years.

You're trying to hand me a position about Rubio that I did not take. I just don't see why everyone is so excited about Rubio. Rubio is nice player? Probably. He has mad handles? I watched Kenny Anderson. He had mad handles, could shoot like crazy and he was picked #2 at 19 years old. Ditto Marbury. I'll guess they were both more promising than Rubio at the same age.

We all know a lot less about Rubio than we do those 2 guys. We also except he doesn't shoot very well to go with his nice passing and slick handle. That doesn't spell a top 3 pick in my book. But I haven't watched him that much, and we are all speaking mainly from newspaper reports.

My view of Thabeet is not unreasonable. I think yours is however when you compare his athleticism to Yao Ming. Thabeet is 7'3", athletic, and big, strong, coordinated with an unbelievable wingspan. He averaged 4 blocks throughout his career in the Big East. All while he is still learning to play the game. We already know what he can do. We've all actually seen him play. He is a known quantity and we know that physically he will be one of the more talented players in the game and has the potential to be a true defensive stopper and a big-time rebounder.

I like that prospect better than a rumor about how good some young kid is. Seems like a dangerous way to spend a pick.

And nobody knows where the Knicks will pick. If Chicago and Portland can land high picks against the odds so can we.

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5/17/2009  11:12 PM
okay, i give up.

no one knows anything about rubio, and if they do they're lying because there's a c-o-n-sporasy by the nba to help the knicks, but really we're cursed, so he has to be a certified bust.

Outside of the sarcasm, I'm just asking what you actually know about him. What have you seen of him outside of the Olympics and youtube? What makes him the #2 pick?

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5/17/2009  11:33 PM
what makes rubio awesome is that he looks like he knows what he's doing out there, no doubt about it. you can just tell he's special, common..common...same with gallo, they have the special quality, the winning-brain..they have cultivated this through years of training.
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5/17/2009  11:34 PM
If the Knicks want Rubio more than Griffin then they should squeeze the no.2 team into making them give something up so they can switch slots.

I'm a huge Griffin fan, but I don't think its necessarily nonsensical that they like Rubio better. Rubio definitely has the makings of a special player both as a creative playmaker and as a defender.
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5/17/2009  11:39 PM
that sounds illegal, vdseai, rubio rules though, he is the next great point guard in the nba
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5/17/2009  11:41 PM
Posted by orangeblobman:

what makes rubio awesome is that he looks like he knows what he's doing out there, no doubt about it. you can just tell he's special, common..common...same with gallo, they have the special quality, the winning-brain..they have cultivated this through years of training.

Galinari looked not as good as at least 3 guys picked immediately behind him. Looking like "you know what you are doing" does not make one a good #2 pick. I don't know if you saw Kenny Anderson or Marbury at the same age, but they were flat-out studs...and they looked like they knew what they were doing.

Seriously OBM, what have you seen from him outside of the Olympics? Rubio looked like he knew what he was doing and also about 1/3 the player Juan Carlos Navvaro was. Which is fine, but that doesn't spell top 3 pick to me.

All I want to know is what sets him apart. And "looks like he knows what he is doing" is just another way of saying "poise". Gerry McNamara knows what he is doing too! And he can really shoot...and he has a winning pedigree.

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5/17/2009  11:45 PM
Posted by orangeblobman:

that sounds illegal, vdseai, rubio rules though, he is the next great point guard in the nba

Its not illegal, its called using your leverage to make a trade. Its done all the time. Webber for Hardaway back in the day is a prime example. Also Marbury for Allen, Carter for Jamison etc.
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5/17/2009  11:47 PM
First of all, I would ABSOLUTELY LOVE the Knicks had this problem of who to pick first, second or third. That by itself would make this offseason a huge success. Now onto business:

The Knicks would be better benefited from a guy like Rubio because of the way they play. He is a guy like Gallo in terms of that high basketball IQ, savy and poised player with TONS of talent. Griffin may be the sure star now, but Griffin may be the biggest star of this draft in a few years.

If the Knicks get #1, Im sure they will try both guys out and see who fits their plans. I just hope the Knicks are in position to pick one because that would mean 2009-2010 year won't be a lost cause.


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5/17/2009  11:49 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by orangeblobman:

what makes rubio awesome is that he looks like he knows what he's doing out there, no doubt about it. you can just tell he's special, common..common...same with gallo, they have the special quality, the winning-brain..they have cultivated this through years of training.

Galinari looked not as good as at least 3 guys picked immediately behind him. Looking like "you know what you are doing" does not make one a good #2 pick. I don't know if you saw Kenny Anderson or Marbury at the same age, but they were flat-out studs...and they looked like they knew what they were doing.

Seriously OBM, what have you seen from him outside of the Olympics? Rubio looked like he knew what he was doing and also about 1/3 the player Juan Carlos Navvaro was. Which is fine, but that doesn't spell top 3 pick to me.

All I want to know is what sets him apart. And "looks like he knows what he is doing" is just another way of saying "poise". Gerry McNamara knows what he is doing too! And he can really shoot...and he has a winning pedigree.

oohah

yea ok i dig what you're saying. still, rubio is more fluid than all those guys combined and at the end of the day, for a point guard, fluidity is the most important attribute. plus he can be fluid and pass great, so i mean,you see.
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5/18/2009  12:13 AM
I think you should never trust the media, especially in NY. Look how now everybody's denying the Curry guarantee. Not that it isn't true, but papers will try to keep selling even if there is no real news on the team. Rubio makes so much sense for the Knicks that you get this rumor. Not that I don't believe it, but lets just wait for the Knicks to win the lottery and see what they do.


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5/18/2009  12:20 AM
If this is true then I hope wolves get the number 1 pick and draft stupid and overated piece of crap rick rubio. The fact is he is nothing special he is total garbage who cares if he played great in the olympics it doesn't mean he going to be good in the nba. knicks need griffin more then they need that overated piece of crap ricky rubio. Blake Griffin will be a mutiple all star while rick rubio will be out of the nba because he is total garbage.
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5/18/2009  12:31 AM
Posted by lumbardar:

If this is true then I hope wolves get the number 1 pick and draft stupid and overated piece of crap rick rubio. The fact is he is nothing special he is total garbage who cares if he played great in the olympics it doesn't mean he going to be good in the nba. knicks need griffin more then they need that overated piece of crap ricky rubio. Blake Griffin will be a mutiple all star while rick rubio will be out of the nba because he is total garbage.

You sir, deserve the Fire Bringer award of the night.

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5/18/2009  1:21 AM
...Oh boy, we get the next Bobby Hurley!...

Way back but...come on, Hurley was averaging something like 7 assists and 7 points halfway through his rookie season and looking more or less like a keeper when he had a near fatal car accident. It was a miracle he ever played again. He wasn't a failure on the court. Had he continued to play he would have had a career and a few years of leading a team. Maybe he would have topped out at Chris Duhon level, maybe a bit better. Who knows? The car crash, however, was the end of a serious career, not his play before the crash.

Let's hope none of our draftees are the next Bobby Hurley. J.J. Redick on the other hand is fair game...even if he is going to log a few minutes in the finals.
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Posted by NumberTwoPencil:

...Oh boy, we get the next Bobby Hurley!...

Way back but...come on, Hurley was averaging something like 7 assists and 7 points halfway through his rookie season and looking more or less like a keeper when he had a near fatal car accident. It was a miracle he ever played again. He wasn't a failure on the court. Had he continued to play he would have had a career and a few years of leading a team. Maybe he would have topped out at Chris Duhon level, maybe a bit better. Who knows? The car crash, however, was the end of a serious career, not his play before the crash.

Let's hope none of our draftees are the next Bobby Hurley. J.J. Redick on the other hand is fair game...even if he is going to log a few minutes in the finals.

Bobby Hurley was heading toward an average NBA career at best. HE couldn't guard anybody and he could barely get his shot off. Hurleys 7/7 average was due to the fact that he was a featured rookie on a god awful team and he was lucky enough to be throwing the ball to Mitch Richmond.

Reddick will never be as good as Steve Kerr.

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5/18/2009  1:38 AM
Posted by lumbardar:

If this is true then I hope wolves get the number 1 pick and draft stupid and overated piece of crap rick rubio. The fact is he is nothing special he is total garbage who cares if he played great in the olympics it doesn't mean he going to be good in the nba. knicks need griffin more then they need that overated piece of crap ricky rubio. Blake Griffin will be a mutiple all star while rick rubio will be out of the nba because he is total garbage.

He played great in the Olympics? Wouldn't it be a lot more accurate to say he held his own against U.S.A. basketball while the 6 players on his team who were better than he took the brunt of the pressure?

I'm not the one being unfair to Ricky Rubio, it is all of you who are, because you have seen him play the same number of games I have, about 5 total, and are anointing him the next big thing based on newspaper clippings and the fact that he played decently against team U.S.A.

I think the next big star is Juan Carlos Navarro or Rudy Fernandez or Marc Gasol, they were 10x more impressive than Ricky Rubio in the Olympics.

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