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PresIke
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5/11/2009  9:28 AM
oh, i see the bobby knight video is in this post...

those who doubt he can play pg, did any of you watch that video, and if you have why does that not convince you a little more he can play pg?

"He's as good of a passer as has every played college basketball." - Bobby Knight

[Edited by - PresIke on 05-11-2009 09:32 AM]
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5/11/2009  10:35 AM
Yes but playing PG in the NBA is a lot different than playing PG for 1 year at Davidson where you're the only good player. His top skill and most NBA ready skill is shooting and he'll have to adjust to being more of a floor general and playing PG at the speed of the NBA rather than the Southern Conference against teams like Wofford and Elon. Davidson has been competetive with a lot of top notch teams, but that is still a major adjustment in game speed. He certainly has a good chance of doing it, but it is very much not a slam dunk- and that has to be taken into account in his valuation.
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5/11/2009  10:36 AM
Posted by PresIke:

oh, i see the bobby knight video is in this post...

those who doubt he can play pg, did any of you watch that video, and if you have why does that not convince you a little more he can play pg?

"He's as good of a passer as has every played college basketball." - Bobby Knight

[Edited by - PresIke on 05-11-2009 09:32 AM]


we think ilike man....nobody mentioned the video...I happen to agree with Knight cuz whe you watch him play he actually wants to play point....he's a pass first but as you can clearly see, his team is caca poo poo.

Knight said everything I'm gonna say right now....Curry's heart and feel, knowledge, poise, courage....everything shows signs of greatness...I'm rooting for the kid and if th eKnicks get him I would be totally ok with it.
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5/11/2009  10:45 AM
If we get Curry and don't make an all out blitz for Rubio, I think that's a decent sign we think we can get Lebron. The type of PG that works well with a playmaker like Lebron is a steady guy who makes good decisions and stick the J and let Lebron freelance when needed. Curry fits that bill.
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5/11/2009  11:17 AM
At 8, Curry has to be the choice. The guy is the best shooter in college basketball and a much better passer than Nate and probably even Duhon. While he will not be break down many defenses with his dribble, he presence on the court will create space because his man cannot leave him. Please Walsh draft this guy. Don't be fooled by athleticism and go for a guy like Jennings.
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5/11/2009  11:29 AM
I think you can draw comparisons to JJ Redick in his stroke. He is quicker, more athletic and can create off the dribble. Reddick will turn into a 14ppg scorer in this league and is showing signs.

You have to take into account that he is the teams only offensive weapon out there and has to work twice as hard as any player on the floor because he was running the offense and trying to carry his team.

At the one he will shoot a high percentage and he does have a winning mentality. I love Nate but he doesn't have the mental focus. I would love to do that deal with the Kings if we can. A Curry/Chandler/Lebron/Gallo/Lee unit isn't the worst thing in the world.
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5/11/2009  12:05 PM
Posted by PresIke:

oh, i see the bobby knight video is in this post...

those who doubt he can play pg, did any of you watch that video, and if you have why does that not convince you a little more he can play pg?

"He's as good of a passer as has every played college basketball." - Bobby Knight

[Edited by - PresIke on 05-11-2009 09:32 AM]

Pure passing ability does not make you a pg.

Let's do an exercise... Is David Lee a good passer? Yes. Is David Lee a point guard? No. Why not? He can't break down a defense you say? oh.... Well maybe if Curry isn't quick enough to break down a defense he's not a PG either.

Things that make you go hmmmm.
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5/11/2009  12:13 PM
Curry comes off as a guy that will kill in the playoffs. He needs a star player to play under though. Drafting him expecting him to be Nash and elevate everyone's game I don't know if he would be ready for that his first few yrs if ever. If he were to go to a team with an established star(s) he could develop the way that Rondo did with the Celtics.

Curry seems like a great talent though, I like players who have that basketball instincts & craftiness especially at the guard position. If after pre-draft he ends up being the most talented guy available I would draft him and worry about the details later.
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5/11/2009  12:43 PM
I'm so tired of being the soft team - and Curry is the most powder puff pick we could make
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5/11/2009  1:00 PM
considering duhon is doo doo, curry has to be an upgrade.
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5/11/2009  1:14 PM
Posted by VDesai:

Yes but playing PG in the NBA is a lot different than playing PG for 1 year at Davidson where you're the only good player. His top skill and most NBA ready skill is shooting and he'll have to adjust to being more of a floor general and playing PG at the speed of the NBA rather than the Southern Conference against teams like Wofford and Elon. Davidson has been competetive with a lot of top notch teams, but that is still a major adjustment in game speed. He certainly has a good chance of doing it, but it is very much not a slam dunk- and that has to be taken into account in his valuation.

straight up, this still doesn't make sense to me...

if he had a pretty high assist total and was a PG on a bad team where he was the only good player why would that be a knock on him? if anything it shows that he made the team THAT much better because of his abilities to score and pass.

i'm not saying his whole game is ready to be pg, but the fact that bobby knight and others have raved about his passing ability and court vision amongst the best in the ncaa's why would this be dismissed so easily...

again because we know him as a shooter.

bobby knight starts off his commentary with this response to those who know him as a shooter and not as a passer.

i'm not saying it's a slam dunk either, but at 8 in this draft he's a pretty darn good pick for the knicks.

i will go on record again saying nor do i, nor the knicks (i suspect) have much interest in UK poster favs DeRonzan and Evans.

These guys are RAWER ATHLETES, which seems to be a popular obsession with internet b-ball fans, but they just not ready to help the Knicks next year much...who need INSTANT help next year to be competitive (as that is their goal...which makes sense from my perspective). the knicks want BASKETBALL PLAYERS, not ATHLETES.

wasn't that the big knock on isiah from some fans, that all he cared about was getting "younger and more athletic" which seemed sensible when the knicks had the slowest, oldest, most boring team in the nba. but the knicks don't have the luxury of waiting 3 years to see if DeRonzan and Evans can develop their games. Curry is ready, even if he has some potential shortcomings. his high b-ball iq, court vision/passing ability, leadership, maturity, and ice water jumper with crazy range are desperately needed on the knicks.
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5/11/2009  1:22 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:
Posted by PresIke:

oh, i see the bobby knight video is in this post...

those who doubt he can play pg, did any of you watch that video, and if you have why does that not convince you a little more he can play pg?

"He's as good of a passer as has every played college basketball." - Bobby Knight

[Edited by - PresIke on 05-11-2009 09:32 AM]

Pure passing ability does not make you a pg.

Let's do an exercise... Is David Lee a good passer? Yes. Is David Lee a point guard? No. Why not? He can't break down a defense you say? oh.... Well maybe if Curry isn't quick enough to break down a defense he's not a PG either.

Things that make you go hmmmm.

ummm...david lee is clearly a pf...

he plays forward. curry, plays guard. i might classify that as a bit of an oddly placed comparison, no?

converting a good shooting guard who can pass as well as curry can to pg, is no where near the same as saying david lee can play pg or tim duncan because they are good passers.

this is just silly.

remind me again what folks keep saying about evans, that he might become a pg? where's all of the hoop-lah against that from some who are loving him?

curry's size makes him ideal for a pg.

he's not THAT slow. jezus...you act make it sound like he has zero ability to get to the basket at all. go check the film, he has shown plenty of ability to get to the basket and create.

not every pg needs to have a killer crossover to be effective. duhon seems to be able to get to the basket alright, and he is not anywhere near as good of a shooter as curry. curry will also benefit from defenders (of which there are many bad ones) who will have to play him tight due to his ability to shoot, and quick release. this means he might be able to get by players easier, even with less quickness, or kill them if they give him the room to shoot.

mark jackson wasn't a super quick guy, nor was magic, but they had AMAZING court vision. Kidd is still effective as he got slower, as has Nash, who also does not have great speed or quickness.

[Edited by - PresIke on 05-11-2009 1:24 PM]
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5/11/2009  1:23 PM
Ike - get ready - when Nate and Lee go out the door and we have Curry at PG, we're going to be one of the slowest teams in the league again instantly.

Do the Bulls struggle with a young PG who can't shoot? Did Parker get by without a shot for a long time? LeBron for that matter?

We are getting whipped most games. Not finessed.

We need a physical, not gonna back down player at either the 1, or the 5 in this draft.

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5/11/2009  1:30 PM
jw, but the bulls have ben gordon and kirk hinrich.

the knicks shooting guards and sfs are just too inconsistent from the outside.

the knicks have ZERO good shooters from the outside. you all know the roster.

nate is the best we have.

otherwise it's even more inconsistent city with hughes, chandler, and al.

we need outside shooting quite badly. and if by some miracle eddy curry manages to contribute a little and can actually pass out of a double (he could draw)...okay i'm not keeping my hopes up, but he will get his chance next year since we need to have him up his value...steph curry will be a lethal threat. the curry combo will also be useful because steph can get eddy the ball in places he can be very tough to stop. remember how terrible steph and our other guards were at getting the ball to our post players?

also, i'm not sure we'll lose both nate and lee without getting something in return.

btw, my first pick for #8 is jennings, but if he's gone, i'm probably taking curry, depending on who else is there.

[Edited by - PresIke on 05-11-2009 1:30 PM]
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5/11/2009  1:44 PM
Posted by PresIke:
Posted by VDesai:

Yes but playing PG in the NBA is a lot different than playing PG for 1 year at Davidson where you're the only good player. His top skill and most NBA ready skill is shooting and he'll have to adjust to being more of a floor general and playing PG at the speed of the NBA rather than the Southern Conference against teams like Wofford and Elon. Davidson has been competetive with a lot of top notch teams, but that is still a major adjustment in game speed. He certainly has a good chance of doing it, but it is very much not a slam dunk- and that has to be taken into account in his valuation.

straight up, this still doesn't make sense to me...

if he had a pretty high assist total and was a PG on a bad team where he was the only good player why would that be a knock on him? if anything it shows that he made the team THAT much better because of his abilities to score and pass.

i'm not saying his whole game is ready to be pg, but the fact that bobby knight and others have raved about his passing ability and court vision amongst the best in the ncaa's why would this be dismissed so easily...

again because we know him as a shooter.

bobby knight starts off his commentary with this response to those who know him as a shooter and not as a passer.

i'm not saying it's a slam dunk either, but at 8 in this draft he's a pretty darn good pick for the knicks.

i will go on record again saying nor do i, nor the knicks (i suspect) have much interest in UK poster favs DeRonzan and Evans.

These guys are RAWER ATHLETES, which seems to be a popular obsession with internet b-ball fans, but they just not ready to help the Knicks next year much...who need INSTANT help next year to be competitive (as that is their goal...which makes sense from my perspective). the knicks want BASKETBALL PLAYERS, not ATHLETES.

wasn't that the big knock on isiah from some fans, that all he cared about was getting "younger and more athletic" which seemed sensible when the knicks had the slowest, oldest, most boring team in the nba. but the knicks don't have the luxury of waiting 3 years to see if DeRonzan and Evans can develop their games. Curry is ready, even if he has some potential shortcomings. his high b-ball iq, court vision/passing ability, leadership, maturity, and ice water jumper with crazy range are desperately needed on the knicks.


I don't really think we're that far apart. I think he is defintiely a project at PG, but pretty worthwile. I've already said I'd be ok with him at 8. If he keeps working at PG he may eventually develop into a Mike Bibby type. I think it won't be an easy transition and that needs to be taken into account when evaluating him as a prospect. If he can't be a PG in the NBA he's pretty much limited to being a 6th man scorer cause I don't see how can start at the 2 and be able to hold up defensively.
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5/11/2009  2:38 PM
I'm all for picking Curry--though I'm not sure Knicks are the best team for Curry's career--but I think it's possible that if the Knicks end up with a pick below, oh, 6 or so, that Curry might be gone by the time they pick. Depending on what happens with pre-draft workouts, and who works out for what teams, I can see Curry going before all of the guards except Rubio. Why? Well, for the reasons outlined in various discussions here--he's a smart team player, a marketable kid, and he's probably closer to being ready for the NBA than other guards with more potential. I can see, oh, Memphis, Golden State, or Washington taking Curry and the Knicks ending up with, hmmmm, dunno, maybe Lawson?

One of the more notable features of Curry's Jr. year at Davidson is that not only did Davidson sell a buttload of tickets at home but everywhere Davidson played this year, tickets sold. IIRC, he set attendance records at more or less every other _away_ game this year. Even MSG filled up for Curry. Every team wants to sell tickets, sure, but I suspect some managers will give an edge to Curry in the draft knowing that he's good for a ton of season ticket sales for a couple years even if his career tops out at 6th man.
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5/11/2009  2:53 PM
The more I think about it, the more I am liking the pick of Curry at 8. I think another advantage for him is the fact that he's a very headstrong kid and the big lights and the city won't phase him for a second. Of course I share some of the same worries that Des does, with his ability to play the PG, but from what I saw last year, I think he's going to catch on - he'll never be a pure PG, but he'll be much better than a combo-guard playing PG.

I'm officially down with Curry at 8.
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5/11/2009  3:05 PM
Is this guy really that good? Is he an undersized gunner more than a team mate?

I don't know about this. If he's as good as some claim why is he falling to 8th - or FURTHER?

Kinda wary about this.
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5/11/2009  3:06 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

The more I think about it, the more I am liking the pick of Curry at 8. I think another advantage for him is the fact that he's a very headstrong kid and the big lights and the city won't phase him for a second. Of course I share some of the same worries that Des does, with his ability to play the PG, but from what I saw last year, I think he's going to catch on - he'll never be a pure PG, but he'll be much better than a combo-guard playing PG.

I'm officially down with Curry at 8.

factorial? i canot disagree. the kid's got upsidee, just wish he had a few more inches (in height fellas - get your minds out of the gutter) on him. did we ever settle the 6' vs 6'3" thing? all we kow, he can be 5'9" like nate....oh wait, nate's 5'7"....
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5/11/2009  3:14 PM
Posted by Cosmic:

Is this guy really that good? Is he an undersized gunner more than a team mate?

I don't know about this. If he's as good as some claim why is he falling to 8th - or FURTHER?

Kinda wary about this.

Who is talking him up to be the best player in the draft? I think all people are saying is that for pick 8, you could do alot worse and usually at pick 8 it's where you start taking risks on athletes with tons of upside who you hope pan out - with Curry it's the other way around. You know he has skills but he is athletic enough to be a starter in the NBA - from what I've seen, he definitely is.
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