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5/4/2009  8:52 PM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by PresIke:

yeah, the title of this story is extremely misleading.

if you read the story i find it hard to believe most would think this to be any type of character issue.

awful journalism, and an example of how low that profession has sunk.

any sensationalism to get our attention.

[Edited by - PresIke on 05-04-2009 6:48 PM]

Sorry--while I agree that there is some benign factors to the story--you can't walk into a house you DO NOT OWN without permission regardless if it is potentially unoccupied and for sale. It's breaking and entering anyway you want to view it. I cant count how many BAD things could've occurred. Certainly horrible judgment at best. It seems like he is not a bad kid from what I am reading--maybe 2 years in college will do him some good.

Congratulations you are officially an old ass square. The circle is complete, you are the guy that you hated as a teenager.

LMAO
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5/4/2009  8:52 PM
Posted by Paladin55:


Yeah, I will look at the story much differently if there was a girl involved and nothing was taken.

Nevertheless, the kid is not an ordinary 18 year old kid- you do know that, don't you. He has a national reputation and already has a fan base. He has to show some common sense, even if he is only 18.

And thats his biggest crime. He decided to act like a typical teenager, think with his dyck and get into a little mischief. What he's gotta understand is that he's not a typical teenager and he has so much to loose with any misstep. And as a Black sports star in the south he's under a vicious microscope. He better know that now. I'm sure his people are reading him the riot act right now.

But in a vacuum, its a super lightweight offense. Was just trying to toss up some chick without all his friends knowing.
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5/4/2009  8:55 PM
Posted by Cookdcokehop:
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by PresIke:

yeah, the title of this story is extremely misleading.

if you read the story i find it hard to believe most would think this to be any type of character issue.

awful journalism, and an example of how low that profession has sunk.

any sensationalism to get our attention.

[Edited by - PresIke on 05-04-2009 6:48 PM]

Sorry--while I agree that there is some benign factors to the story--you can't walk into a house you DO NOT OWN without permission regardless if it is potentially unoccupied and for sale. It's breaking and entering anyway you want to view it. I cant count how many BAD things could've occurred. Certainly horrible judgment at best. It seems like he is not a bad kid from what I am reading--maybe 2 years in college will do him some good.

Congratulations you are officially an old ass square. The circle is complete, you are the guy that you hated as a teenager.

LMAO

that is very funny.
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5/4/2009  11:59 PM
The guy is in a house he does not own. He could have been shot.

Forget the "black kid thing", someone called the cops. They responded.

He can be a kid, sure. But if your trying to be a superstar player and strive to be a paid professonal then you have to make sacrifices and use your head. In 12 months somone will make a substantial investment in him and has to access if the kid is mature enough to hand the pressure.

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5/5/2009  12:03 AM
Posted by Nalod:

The guy is in a house he does not own. He could have been shot.

shot by the invisible non-existent owners? shot by the cops for being unarmed & not doing anything other than trespassing inside an empty house? u guys are trippin for real... ROFL!

maybe caught by Bonn & his dog enjoying a secret encounter... or see me laying the bukkake on some drunken jailbait... now that's what u call real danger.

[Edited by - TMS on 05-04-2009 9:06 PM]
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5/5/2009  8:48 AM
folks who are not treated as adults need places to hang out together away from adults.

some communities have options for their young people, malls, in NYC; Union Sqaure (for straight high school/college student age folks in Manhattan) or The Christopher Street Piers (for LGBT identified young people of color in NYC), or the agency i interned at called The Door, who's philosophy was to provide a safe space for folks age 12-21 to be away from adults.

but some placed don't have this. when when i was young i didn't even know the door existed. i wish i did, so we would hang out on rooftops, people's stoops, both of which you would call "Breaking & Entering." Since according to what some are saying my character was bad, then why did I later choose helping professions like teaching and social work?

i'm just using me as one example, but you get the point.
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5/5/2009  10:07 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Nalod:

The guy is in a house he does not own. He could have been shot.

shot by the invisible non-existent owners? shot by the cops for being unarmed & not doing anything other than trespassing inside an empty house? u guys are trippin for real... ROFL!

maybe caught by Bonn & his dog enjoying a secret encounter... or see me laying the bukkake on some drunken jailbait... now that's what u call real danger.

[Edited by - TMS on 05-04-2009 9:06 PM]

Look, im sure there are circumstances or you may want to call it "gray areas" but someone called the police and they were there to get them in the back yard. Someone owns the house, and perhaps has the right to protect themselves even if the circumstances are not correct. Im not saying its justified cuz a teen looking to hang out and gets shot is nothing short of tragic. What Im saying is this kid has a lot of reponsability riding on his shoulders and does not have to put himself in circumstances to get shot, arrested, or even in a case of mistaken identity. If he wants to be a kid, then its his choice and has to pay a price.

Jameson Curry had full ride to Chapel Hill but got arrested selling dope. Played at Oklahoma State and seems to have disappeared. This kid was going to be the first option on one of the best teams/programs in the country and that a path that gets to be a lottery pick. That kind of scholarship is worth millions if you consider the opportunity he had. The kid made a bad mistake and got a bad label.

If all Wall did was party with a girl in an empty house than im sure that will be the end of it. And he will be lucky.

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5/5/2009  10:49 AM
how many tattoos does he have?
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5/5/2009  10:52 AM
i agree, he showed a lack of judgement, just don't think he should be run over the coals over something like this is all... it sounds like just typical teenage type stuff here... i know he's not a typical teenager & needs to know he's gonna be under the microscope, but i don't think any of us has even an inkling of the type of pressure this kid must be living under w/all the scouts, agents & shady people trying to leech onto him at every turn... maybe he just needed to get away & have him some sex w/his chick in an empty house... can't really fault him for that... for his sake i hope that's all it was & it won't hurt his recruitment too much.
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5/5/2009  10:57 AM
Such a non issue. he's 18, looking for a place to hang out, get laid whatever the story was......It's a misdemeanor, dumb, but a misdemeanor. If you did this, your parents would tell you to "stop hanging out in abandoned buildings you idiot" and that would be the end of it. Unless there is a pattern to his behavior this will not, and should not, affect his recruiting or draft status at all.

Think back to when you were 18. We all did stupid stuff that we could have gotten written up for, arrested, fined or even killed for doing. It's unavoidable. We all do it. The question is, do we learn from it. If this is not part of a pattern with him, then this is a complete non issue.
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5/5/2009  11:59 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Nalod:

The guy is in a house he does not own. He could have been shot.

shot by the invisible non-existent owners? shot by the cops for being unarmed & not doing anything other than trespassing inside an empty house? u guys are trippin for real... ROFL!

[Edited by - TMS on 05-04-2009 9:06 PM]

Yeah, they're just digging in their heels at this point and letting their self-righteousness guide them to being ridiculously judgmental.

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5/5/2009  12:04 PM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Nalod:

The guy is in a house he does not own. He could have been shot.

shot by the invisible non-existent owners? shot by the cops for being unarmed & not doing anything other than trespassing inside an empty house? u guys are trippin for real... ROFL!

[Edited by - TMS on 05-04-2009 9:06 PM]

Yeah, they're just digging in their heels at this point and letting their self-righteousness guide them to being ridiculously judgmental.

I don't think you guys got the full story. I read the title of the article, and it's clear to me that John Wall was packing and looking for trouble. Is he a killer? You can't be so sure that he isn't. If you don't think he is, then you obviously didn't read the title of the article.
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5/5/2009  12:06 PM
Posted by Nalod:

The guy is in a house he does not own. He could have been shot.

I know you designed that as a statement against Wall, but to me thats an indictment against the law enforcement culture here in the United States.

Not only is it not far-fetched, but its perfectly reasonable to assume that a black teenager could be shot and killed by an officer for such a harmless offense. Thats just the way things are here, and thankfully Wall and his family didnt have to learn the hard way.
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5/5/2009  12:17 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Nalod:

The guy is in a house he does not own. He could have been shot.

shot by the invisible non-existent owners? shot by the cops for being unarmed & not doing anything other than trespassing inside an empty house? u guys are trippin for real... ROFL!

[Edited by - TMS on 05-04-2009 9:06 PM]

Yeah, they're just digging in their heels at this point and letting their self-righteousness guide them to being ridiculously judgmental.

I don't think you guys got the full story. I read the title of the article, and it's clear to me that John Wall was packing and looking for trouble. Is he a killer? You can't be so sure that he isn't. If you don't think he is, then you obviously didn't read the title of the article.

Yeah, its like they are determined to make something out of this story and something out of Wall's "character." People jumped to conclusions based on the headlines, ok, fair enough. But once the facts emerged that this was about as inconsequential as it can get, by teenager standards, you think the moral majority around here would at least back up just a little and give the kid a break.

Naw, they just press down the pedal even harder. Ok, I guess you guys have never done anything wrong or made a poor decision in your life.
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5/5/2009  1:09 PM
i determine the jessica alba thread misogynist...

therefore all involved in posting there are of low character.

see i haven't so therefore i am the righteous one.

[Edited by - PresIke on 05-05-2009 1:15 PM]
Forum Po Po and #33 for a reason...
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5/5/2009  1:10 PM
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5/5/2009  1:14 PM
if you drank under age at any point in your life, you are of low character

sex before married? low character

divorced? low character...etc. etc.

from today's paper, ironically enough:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/05/health/05mind.html?scp=1&sq=holier&st=cse

May 5, 2009

Mind

Stumbling Blocks on the Path of Righteousness
By BENEDICT CAREY

Most people are adamant: They would never do it. Ever. Never deliberately inflict pain on another person, just to obtain information. Ever artificially inflate the value of some financial product, just to take advantage of others’ ignorance. Certainly never, ever become a deadbeat and accept a government bailout.

They speak only for themselves, of course. As for others, well, turn on the news: shady bankers, savage interrogators and deadbeats are everywhere.

“I remember thinking that I was just better than other people, that I would never compromise my principles,” said Jordan LaBouff, 25, a graduate student in Texas, recalling a public standoff that he and other students had with university administrators several years ago.

“Well, they gave me this award — the administration did — and I’d sworn I would never take anything from them. But of course there I was, up on stage accepting it.”

In recent years, social psychologists have begun to study what they call the holier-than-thou effect. They have long known that people tend to be overly optimistic about their own abilities and fortunes — to overestimate their standing in class, their discipline, their sincerity.

But this self-inflating bias may be even stronger when it comes to moral judgment, and it can greatly influence how people judge others’ actions, and ultimately their own. Culture, religious belief and experience all help shape a person’s sense of moral standing in relation to others, psychologists say, and new research is helping to clarify when such feelings of superiority are helpful and when they are self-defeating.

“The message in this work is not that you should rid yourself of moral indignation; sometimes that’s appropriate,” said David Dunning, a social psychologist at Cornell University in Ithaca, N.Y. “But the point is that many types of behavior are driven far more by the situation than by the force of personality. What someone else did in that situation is a very strong warning about what you yourself would do.”

One way to test whether people live up to their virtuous self-image is to set them up. In one study, for example, 251 Cornell students predicted how likely they would be to buy a daffodil at Daffodil Days, a four-day campus event to benefit the American Cancer Society. Sure enough, 83 percent predicted that they would buy at least one flower but that just 56 percent of their peers would.

Five weeks later, during the event, the researchers found that only 43 percent of the same students actually bought a daffodil. In other experiments, researchers have found that people similarly overestimate their willingness to do what’s morally right, whether to give to charity, vote or cooperate with a stranger. In the end, their less generous predictions about peers’ behavior tend to be dead-on accurate — for themselves as well as others in the study.

“The gap between how I think I’ll behave and how I actually behave is a function of how well I simulate the situation, and our simulations are guided by our intentions,” said Nicholas Epley, a psychologist at the University of Chicago and a co-author, with Dr. Dunning, in many of these experiments.

The problem with these holier-than-thou assessments is not only that we overestimate how we would have behaved,” Dr. Epley said. “It’s also that we blame every crisis or scandal on failure of character — you know, if we just fire all the immoral Wall Street bankers and replace them with moral ones, we’ll solve the problem.”

In experiments as in life, the holier-than-thou effect diminishes quickly when people have actually had the experience they are judging: dubious accounting practices will appear less shady to the person who has had to put a good face on a failing company. And the effect is apparently less pronounced in cultures that emphasize interdependence over individual achievement, like China and Spain.

One practice that can potentially temper feelings of moral superiority is religion. All major faiths emphasize the value of being humble and the perils of hubris. “In humility count others as better than yourself,” St. Paul advises in his letter to the Philippians.

Yet for some people, religion appears to amplify the instinct to feel like a moral beacon. In a 2002 study, researchers at Baylor University in Texas and Simpson University in California evaluated the religious commitment of 249 students, 80 percent of whom were members of a church.

The researchers, led by Wade C. Rowatt of Baylor, found that the students in this highly religious group considered themselves, on average, almost twice as likely as their peers to adhere to such biblical commandments as “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

The study also found that the most strictly fundamentalist of the students were at the highest end of the scale.

“It reminds me of one of my favorite bumper stickers,” said Dr. Epley, of Chicago. “ ‘Jesus loves you, but I’m his favorite.’ ”

For all that, an abiding feeling of moral superiority is intrinsic to what some psychologists call self-enhancement. So-called self-enhancers think that they’re blessed, that they’re highly appreciated by others and that they’ll come out on top. And sometimes they do, studies suggest — especially in life-or-death crises like 9/11 and the Bosnian war.

“Self-enhancers do very well, across the board, on measures of mental health in these situations,” said George Bonanno, a psychologist at Columbia.

But in the mundane ebb and flow of life, an inflated sense of personal virtue can also be a minefield. “Overconfident stock traders tend to do worse; people buy too many gym memberships,” said Dr. Dunning, of Cornell. “In the economic realm, the outcomes are not so good.”

Not to mention that walking around in a pair of moral platform shoes does make it harder to get up when you fall.

[Edited by - PresIke on 05-05-2009 1:15 PM]
Forum Po Po and #33 for a reason...
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5/5/2009  1:23 PM
Posted by PresIke:

i determine the jessica alba thread misogynist...

therefore all involved in posting there are of low character.

see i haven't so therefore i am the righteous one.

[Edited by - PresIke on 05-05-2009 1:15 PM]

and dj started that thread!

wow, you think you know a guy . . . .
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5/5/2009  1:24 PM
In experiments as in life, the holier-than-thou effect diminishes quickly when people have actually had the experience they are judging

that pretty much sums it up right there... the holier-than-thou posse usually like to preach from the top of a soap box but often have never actually walked a mile in the shoes of those they are criticizing... they're commenting from a utopian point of view, but u can't view life that way... people grow up in different circumstances & different environments & until u've been in those same circumstances urself it's impossible to speak towards how those people should live their lives.
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5/5/2009  1:25 PM
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oh my, I first read that as ultimate kracker
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