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4/24/2009  12:26 PM
nash played for santa clara.

parker is a "real 6-4"?
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/tony_parker/index.html
parker is listed at 6'2. other than KG being listed at 6'11" when most ppl say he's a 7 footer have i ever heard of the nba taking inches off of the official height.

davidson played a real hard schedule this year too. at duke, at oklahoma, against west virginia, not to mention when curry absolutely torched everybody and their mother two years ago on the way to the elite 8.

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4/24/2009  12:26 PM
Tony Parker & Steve Nash? u guys are seriously buggin'... he doesn't have Parker's handle or quickness, & he isn't the passer than Nash is, not by a long shot.
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4/24/2009  12:31 PM
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Curry played for freaking Davidson! look at their conference and quality of bigs they played. He had a few big games in the spotlight but comapring him to Parker or Nash is way premature. Nash asset when young was his crazy motor and quickness. HE blossomed as two time MVP with the right system and players. Parker is a real 6-4, plays bigger and was, and still is a great slasher in the paint!

Im not hating on Curry at all, but he is a late 1st rounder. Late picks go to better teams, so it might help him to have strong support.

How about an early comp to Nick Van Excel? Curry is not as quick.

Curry did go for 44 vs. Okla St. with Blake Griffin manning the paint and Willie Warren playing the point.

I actually like your Van Excel comparison and yes Nick was quicker.

The huge difference is that Curry is extremely stable -- he appears to be a really good kid.

There has to be huge value in having a dad that played 16 years in the league. He can tell him what to look out for, how to sleep, eat, how important rest is -- where to find his shots, etc.

If Steph Curry had above average athleticism --- he'd be going 2 or 3 in this draft ---- the fact he doesn't is a big worry.

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4/24/2009  12:34 PM
TMS, were you one of the many last year who said that derrick rose wasn't a real point guard either? i can't remember, i recall trueblue being adamant about rose being a small 2 guard. regardless, the most important position for the knicks is the point, without it d'antoni's offense isn't nearly as effective. chris duhon looked like an all-nbaer this yr. i honestly think people sell curry short b/c he looks like he's 12 years old, but its obvious he's one of the most talented players coming out.


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4/24/2009  12:35 PM
Posted by TMS:

Tony Parker & Steve Nash? u guys are seriously buggin'... he doesn't have Parker's handle or quickness, & he isn't the passer than Nash is, not by a long shot.


True on both counts but he is a better shooter and scorer than both players and he is bigger.

His handle is underrate and his passing & vision are special -- if not at Nash's level (who is).

I like the Nick Van Excel comparison a bit as Nick wasn't the quickest or fastest but Nick sure as hell knew how to get his shot off and made big shots.
Difference being Nick = mental midget --- Steph = very smart, under control player.
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4/24/2009  12:45 PM
Mark Jackson wasn't fast and was weak defensively. He was a better passer than Curry and he was stronger, but he didn't have Curry's shot. I won't claim that Curry's going to be a great player, but he'll be fair value where we pick.
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4/24/2009  12:48 PM
Posted by BigSm00th:

TMS, were you one of the many last year who said that derrick rose wasn't a real point guard either? i can't remember, i recall trueblue being adamant about rose being a small 2 guard. regardless, the most important position for the knicks is the point, without it d'antoni's offense isn't nearly as effective. chris duhon looked like an all-nbaer this yr. i honestly think people sell curry short b/c he looks like he's 12 years old, but its obvious he's one of the most talented players coming out.

hell no dude... i was arguing w/TrueBlue when he told me Rose would be the next Robert Pack... i wasn't riding Rose's jock the way nyk was but i definitely saw the talent in that kid... physically he had all the tools to be a star at the NBA level, & he was as quick as any G i remember coming out in the draft in a long time... this is what i think will hold a kid like Curry back from being a star in the NBA... he's not especially physically gifted, he's not especially quick... he's a good shooter w/an NBA pedigree... IMO he'll be a nice role player but not a star calibre prospect, & IMO it would be a mistake to take him w/a top 10 pick, especially if there are other prospects w/elite athletic ability & big upside potential like Derozan & Jennings on the board, regardless if Curry's a more polished player than those guys or not right now.
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4/24/2009  12:53 PM
Posted by LivingLegend:
Posted by TMS:

Tony Parker & Steve Nash? u guys are seriously buggin'... he doesn't have Parker's handle or quickness, & he isn't the passer than Nash is, not by a long shot.


True on both counts but he is a better shooter and scorer than both players and he is bigger.

His handle is underrate and his passing & vision are special -- if not at Nash's level (who is).

I like the Nick Van Excel comparison a bit as Nick wasn't the quickest or fastest but Nick sure as hell knew how to get his shot off and made big shots.
Difference being Nick = mental midget --- Steph = very smart, under control player.

NVE was a 2nd round pick because of his physical limitations... u don't take a guy like Curry in the top 10 of the lottery, i think that's a bad move to make... i do think Curry can be a big shot maker but u want more than just a big shot maker that high in the draft... he's not gonna be no Chauncey Billups, let's just put it that way.
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4/24/2009  12:57 PM
Posted by Ira:

Mark Jackson wasn't fast and was weak defensively. He was a better passer than Curry and he was stronger, but he didn't have Curry's shot. I won't claim that Curry's going to be a great player, but he'll be fair value where we pick.

Jax had infinitely better court vision & passing ability than Curry does & even still he was a #18 pick... i find it hard to justify taking Curry as high as #8 even in a weak draft.
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4/24/2009  1:20 PM
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Posted by crzymdups:

D'Antoni doesn't give a flying poo about defense. He will take the most offensively dynamic player.

you know this is just not true, right?

No, I would bet that he actually believes it.
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4/24/2009  1:39 PM
Almost every player in this draft has flaws of the physical, mental(BB IQ), or skill variety.

Do you take the physical specimen who may never understand the game but has the physical tools to be a superstar, the physically challenged player who may or may not be able to build his body up to NBA specs but has special skills and that elusive high BB IQ, a player with spectacular physical ability who cannot seem to hit an outside shot, but does everything else well, or a guy who seems to have it all but has never played well on a consistent basis in college.

You are making tradeoffs and hoping to develop potential no matter who you take in this draft, and in every instance you are gambling when making a pick.

So it goes.

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4/24/2009  1:53 PM
no doubt, it's a gamble whichever way u go, but i would take the athlete w/the physical gifts cuz u can't teach that stuff.
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4/24/2009  2:29 PM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by PresIke:
Posted by crzymdups:

D'Antoni doesn't give a flying poo about defense. He will take the most offensively dynamic player.

you know this is just not true, right?

Yea. It should read: D'Antoni doesn't give a flying poo poo about defense.

okay, you can certainly continue to believe this and selectively hear what you want, but this is clearly not what he said and expressed concern over all season long in various situations, during practice, games and after them in press conferences.

i'd be curious who you think is actually considered a good defender on the knicks, outside of jeffries, who destroys us on offense, and doesn't block shots for a buy his size, and maybe duhon and chandler?

gallo has some potential as a help defender, but he's not quick, and barely played.

hughes was better, and the team got better when he seemed to model defense. you need players that can model this, and it especially helps when the leader/best players play D. Look at the Cavs and Celtics they are a perfect example of this. The coach, Doc Rivers, was the same on the team before when they were pitiful defensively, with a good number of the same players last year, but then adding 2 of the big 3, and Posey, considered a very good defender at his position. since lebron has really committed to defense, the Cavs are now a top defensive team.

the coach can only do so much. how does larry brown work more on charlotte than here? look at some of the top players from either team and tell me if we had the same level of commitment/ability from them (Steph, Craw, Curry) as they do (Oakafor, Wallace...both already considered good defenders)

more reason to show how this point about mike d is fallacy is that in the beginning of the season he used a clever motivational approach to get nate to use his strength, athleticism, to get steals rather than block shots. early on it worked, but nate, being who he has show us to be at this point, was just not consistent with it, and was generally a very bad defender coming over screens, looking lost, or doing foolish things.

when you have a pile of doo doo, as you say, how does one expect to turn them all into flowers?

i don't know if lee will ever be a good defender too, but we have ZERO shot blocking ability, and at least two key rotation players who cause major problems on d, while not having one real shut down defender, so how the heck is a team like that to defend?

yes, d'antoni is a more offensive focused coach, but to say he doesn't care about defense is total myth.

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