Posted by orangeblobman:

smoked pot for two years, almost daily. been there and done that.

the bottom line is that it alters your mind-- changes the way you perceive the outside world, and this in turn changes how you react to the outside world.

not denying that you can get through life smoking pot, of course you can! but a pot smoker will never, ever, come even close to his or her full potential nor will the pot smoker ever look at the world the way nature intended. it's a drug, a mild psychedelic, and there is no way to cut that to make it sound any better.

Posted by Nalod:

Because Tabacco and Liquar is legal does not make Pot a good choice to also get legalized.

Pot is not healthy and while its not the most lethal of drugs, why add it to the list?

I think the "two wrongs don't make it right" (cigarettes and booze vs Pot) might apply.

Tobacco (cigarettes) is a freakin health hazzard, and yeah booze when abused can kill.

I know I can have a Small glass of red with dinner and attually attain health benefits. Cigarettes can't, and a hit of pot won't. I thought one joint has the effect of smoking a pack of cigarettes. Smoking is never good for you. What are teh effects of smoking pot on the lungs?

Smoking pot everyday retards emotional growth in young adults and effects memory. So does lots of things, but the question is should we legalize it?

What % of all inmates in our crowded jails are in for selling pot? What is the % lets say for drug offense? If they legalize pot, do those dependant on its income then move to other drugs? More dangerous drugs? If cheaper and more plentiful harder drugs were out there does that cause more of menace?

What are the health hazzards to long term abuse? Pulmanary? Memory? Weight gain?

I agree its stupid for Chemo and glucoma patients to not have access to pot. I might also agree that decriminalization is kind of silly, but pretty decent way of going about it.


Can we do better with legalizing by regulation? Education? Quality control?

Weed today is a lot stronger than it was 20 years ago.

Posted by Silverfuel:

Posted by SupremeCommander:

Posted by Silverfuel:

Posted by nykshaknbake:

WHy stop at pot? If we provide clean needles there's no reason we can't do heroin and other stuff. If we tax that we can really haul it in.

the reasoning is legalizing marijuana eases the stress on the over-crowded prisons. marijuana is not a hardcore narcotic like heroin and other chemical drugs.

You forgot to mention that marijuana is not a hardcore narcotic like certain prescription drugs, like Oxycontin. But I guess if an upstanding citizen like a doctor prescribes it, it's decent.

Picked up on the sarcasm there. From what I understand, heroin addicts faster and oxycodone doesn't have the same immediate high and doesn't last as long as heroin. Oxycotin can be addictive if abused. I think it became pretty popular in Europe 10 years ago. But then again, abusing any drug (even Tylenol) can be lethal. You might know a lot more about this than me. Aren't heroine, morphine and oxycodone more addictive and potent than marijuana?

Sorry this thread got hijacked bitty, I didn't expect it to turn into marijuana vs. other drugs.

[Edited by - Silverfuel on 04-19-2009 11:11 PM]

Posted by orangeblobman:

Posted by jimimou:

Posted by orangeblobman:

smoked pot for two years, almost daily. been there and done that.

the bottom line is that it alters your mind-- changes the way you perceive the outside world, and this in turn changes how you react to the outside world.

not denying that you can get through life smoking pot, of course you can! but a pot smoker will never, ever, come even close to his or her full potential nor will the pot smoker ever look at the world the way nature intended. it's a drug, a mild psychedelic, and there is no way to cut that to make it sound any better.

since you have 'the in' with nature, please tell us all how nature intends for us to view her? reason why people attack your posts so much is b/c of the way you project yourself as knowing things & passing judgement on matters you dont necessarily agree with.

Ok, Jimbo. I agree. I guess I do come off as all-knowing sometimes. But this is not my intent. Did you ever hear of the phrase.. "your direction is right, but your approach is wrong"? That would describe me, I guess.

The bottom line is, at least in this topic, that marijuana messes up your mind and goes against your natural mindset. Whether or not you think this is good is a subjective argument, but I doubt anyone can deny that it does, indeedy!, alter your perceptions.


[Edited by - orangeblobman on 04-20-2009 12:56 PM]

[Edited by - orangeblobman on 04-20-2009 1:00 PM]

Posted by bitty41:

Posted by Nalod:

Because Tabacco and Liquar is legal does not make Pot a good choice to also get legalized.

Pot is not healthy and while its not the most lethal of drugs, why add it to the list?

I think the "two wrongs don't make it right" (cigarettes and booze vs Pot) might apply.

Tobacco (cigarettes) is a freakin health hazzard, and yeah booze when abused can kill.

I know I can have a Small glass of red with dinner and attually attain health benefits. Cigarettes can't, and a hit of pot won't. I thought one joint has the effect of smoking a pack of cigarettes. Smoking is never good for you. What are teh effects of smoking pot on the lungs?

Smoking pot everyday retards emotional growth in young adults and effects memory. So does lots of things, but the question is should we legalize it?

What % of all inmates in our crowded jails are in for selling pot? What is the % lets say for drug offense? If they legalize pot, do those dependant on its income then move to other drugs? More dangerous drugs? If cheaper and more plentiful harder drugs were out there does that cause more of menace?

What are the health hazzards to long term abuse? Pulmanary? Memory? Weight gain?

I agree its stupid for Chemo and glucoma patients to not have access to pot. I might also agree that decriminalization is kind of silly, but pretty decent way of going about it.


Can we do better with legalizing by regulation? Education? Quality control?

Weed today is a lot stronger than it was 20 years ago.

Nalod,

My whole purpose for creating this poll was to generate an informative discussion about the legalization of Pot. Regardless of what side you fall on I think everyone should do their best to educate themselves on the realities of Marijuana. Unless you can provide Scientific documentation please refrain from putting your personal spin on what Marijuana may or maynot do. Become informed! That's all I ask because from reading your preliminary statement and few others on this thread it seems like misinformation about Marijuana is still very rampant among the population.

Posted by BigSm00th:

nalod, if it impacts your deciison at all, the economist and time magazine both have recently come out with legalization articles and why it makes sense socially and economically.

Posted by nykshaknbake:

That's fantastic Bigsmooth. So because alcohol and tabacco are bad lets encourage marijuana? Why stoop to the lower common denominator? I think you should encourage your kids in the future not to smoke or get blitzed. How about that?

Posted by BigSm00th:

shakenbake, when i have kids i would much rather prefer them to smoke weed than to drink or smoke cigarettes. its not even a question.

here's an article from today
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/norm-stamper/420-thoughts-on-pot-vs-al_b_188627.html


Alcohol-related traffic accidents claim approximately 14,000 lives each year, down significantly from 20 or 30 years ago (attributed to improved education and enforcement). Figures for THC-related traffic fatalities are elusive, especially since alcohol is almost always present in the blood as well, and since the numbers of "marijuana-only" traffic fatalities are so small. But evidence from studies, including laboratory simulations, feeds the stereotype that those under the influence of canniboids tend to (1) be more aware of their impaired psychomotor skills, and (2) drive well below the speed limit. Those under the influence of alcohol are much more likely to be clueless or defiant about their condition, and to speed up and drive recklessly.

Hundreds of alcohol overdose deaths occur annually. There has never been a single recorded marijuana OD fatality.



"if you legalize marijuana, the others are not far behind." cigarettes and booze already are legal. and some would say that if you legalize it, less people will try it b/c it will have less of an exotic, against the law feel. i highly doubt everybody would just start smoking weed because it was legal.

[Edited by - bigsm00th on 04-20-2009 1:13 PM]

i didn't say i'd encourage, i said i'd prefer it as the lesser of evils. whether they do it or not won't depend on the legality of it.

lowest common denominator? how about less people in jail on nonviolent drug charges? it's a $14 billion market that, rather than grow it, regulate it, and tax it, we import it from mexico (and prop up these billionaire druglord gangsters and their militias) and lock up our own citizens when using it. prohibition of marijuana is bad for america's economy, bad for it's people, and good for mexican gangsters. why do those facts get trumped by "it will ruin our moral fabric".