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4/13/2009  5:20 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Demar Derozan has good form on his jumpshot--imho it's a better looking shot at this point comparing them both as freshmen in college. As far as H2O--I have no doubt in my mind that Allan had to be working with this kid. Look at their forms--they are nearly identical. I would love to hear Wilson answer that question

DeRozan does have nice form on his jumper (To be honest, in this shot his elbow position reminds me of the Big O), and it is already a fluid motion, with a loose follow-through- something Chandler has worked on this year. I will bet DeRozan has always been a player who did not have to use his J much because in HS he would not have had trouble getting to the basket at will, but from what I have seen, somebody taught him proper form, although his foul shooting was sub 70% @ 65%. Don't know about how great his range will eventually be, but then again, Wade was shooting under 30% from the 3 until a few games ago, so I would think that if DeRozan has good midrange mechanics he can do some things as a player in the NBA. I also don't know enough about his D, or lateral movement, but he played on a team that stressed good D. How is his overall ball handling? I know he is not much of an assist man, and to me, a good all-around SG should be picking up between 3-5 APG.
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4/13/2009  6:06 PM
Posted by Paladin55:
Posted by BRIGGS:

Demar Derozan has good form on his jumpshot--imho it's a better looking shot at this point comparing them both as freshmen in college. As far as H2O--I have no doubt in my mind that Allan had to be working with this kid. Look at their forms--they are nearly identical. I would love to hear Wilson answer that question

DeRozan does have nice form on his jumper (To be honest, in this shot his elbow position reminds me of the Big O), and it is already a fluid motion, with a loose follow-through- something Chandler has worked on this year. I will bet DeRozan has always been a player who did not have to use his J much because in HS he would not have had trouble getting to the basket at will, but from what I have seen, somebody taught him proper form, although his foul shooting was sub 70% @ 65%. Don't know about how great his range will eventually be, but then again, Wade was shooting under 30% from the 3 until a few games ago, so I would think that if DeRozan has good midrange mechanics he can do some things as a player in the NBA. I also don't know enough about his D, or lateral movement, but he played on a team that stressed good D. How is his overall ball handling? I know he is not much of an assist man, and to me, a good all-around SG should be picking up between 3-5 APG.

Last month of season--9 games

averages Demar Derozan

points 18.1 reb 6.2 as 2.5 FG% 60/103 58% 2pt 56/91 62% 3pt 4-12 33% FT 34/49 69%
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4/13/2009  6:57 PM
The real question for the Knicks, especially if we draft at 8 and Evans and DeRozan are both available, is do we take Evans, if we have determined that he can be a very good PG in this league, or do we take DeRozan, if we have determined that he can be and very good SG in the NBA?

[Edited by - Paladin55 on 04-13-2009 6:58 PM]
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4/13/2009  7:00 PM
Derozan all the way... there will be at least 6 teams that should be knocked upside their heads for passing up Derozan if he slips that low.
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4/13/2009  7:11 PM
Posted by Paladin55:

The real question for the Knicks, especially if we draft at 8 and Evans and DeRozan are both available, is do we take Evans, if we have determined that he can be a very good PG in this league, or do we take DeRozan, if we have determined that he can be and very good SG in the NBA?

[Edited by - Paladin55 on 04-13-2009 6:58 PM]

Thats a tough call. Weve never had an athlete like Derozan and I know people would be going crazy if we get him. I would think we would have to promise him the pick with the riches of being a star NY athlete Nike etc.. behind it because if he gets into private workouts with other teams--he wont play here. Promise if he shuts it down.

On the other hand I think anyone witnessed what Tyreke can do it a fast tempo game and also what an intriguing player he*could* be from the 1 guard if he tweaks his game.

I might at this point slightly angle for Derozan by a very slim margin but I might be wrong.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 04-13-2009 7:14 PM]
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4/13/2009  7:12 PM
Posted by Paladin55:

The real question for the Knicks, especially if we draft at 8 and Evans and DeRozan are both available, is do we take Evans, if we have determined that he can be a very good PG in this league, or do we take DeRozan, if we have determined that he can be and very good SG in the NBA?

[Edited by - Paladin55 on 04-13-2009 6:58 PM]

I am not sure if this coaching staff will be so quick to take DeRozan. I think they would go with Evans. I wouldn't be upset but I think DeRozan will VC special.
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4/13/2009  7:52 PM
My gut feeling is that if they are both rated for their positions by the Knicks as 7 or 8 out of a possible 10, and they believe Evans can play PG with his size, they will go with Evans.

I think I would lean toward DeRozan as a player, and I think he has a greater chance of becoming "special," but for a team, I believe a PG is the more important position, and if there is little differencre in the ratings I give the two players for their respective positions, I think you would have to go for the PG over the SG.

It would be a nice "problem" for Walsh to have, though.
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4/14/2009  11:05 AM
trade down this draft isnt very good you need to get Mills from St. Marys late and a big
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4/14/2009  12:37 PM
Posted by King1:

trade down this draft isnt very good you need to get Mills from St. Marys late and a big

why not buy a pick late?
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4/14/2009  12:56 PM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by King1:

trade down this draft isnt very good you need to get Mills from St. Marys late and a big

why not buy a pick late?

Does anyone else think that at 14 Pheonix might be willing to sell their pick or make some kind of future pick and cash trade? This draft is void of bigs and we dont have a pick next year----I think it would be wise to make a play for Mullens there. We need a 7 footer. He's not a Bynum type but he could be a really good offensive threat in a fast pace tempo hes an excellent finisher and over time they can teach him to be a position rebounder and with his leaping ability--will block shots. If they would be willing to do 3mm in cash and a pick restricted to 15 in 2012 I would do it.
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4/14/2009  1:04 PM
i doubt we're gonna buy any 1st round picks... in the past we'd get 1st rounders as part of trade packages when we took on longterm contracts, or trade them away as part of other deals to get veteran players, but they've never really taken the path of buying extra 1st round draft picks & i have my doubts that Walsh is gonna do it now if he didn't do it last year... if we get a pick it'll likely be as part of a larger trade IMO.
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4/14/2009  1:44 PM
Posted by Paladin55:
Posted by BRIGGS:

Demar Derozan has good form on his jumpshot--imho it's a better looking shot at this point comparing them both as freshmen in college. As far as H2O--I have no doubt in my mind that Allan had to be working with this kid. Look at their forms--they are nearly identical. I would love to hear Wilson answer that question

DeRozan does have nice form on his jumper (To be honest, in this shot his elbow position reminds me of the Big O), and it is already a fluid motion, with a loose follow-through- something Chandler has worked on this year. I will bet DeRozan has always been a player who did not have to use his J much because in HS he would not have had trouble getting to the basket at will, but from what I have seen, somebody taught him proper form, although his foul shooting was sub 70% @ 65%. Don't know about how great his range will eventually be, but then again, Wade was shooting under 30% from the 3 until a few games ago, so I would think that if DeRozan has good midrange mechanics he can do some things as a player in the NBA. I also don't know enough about his D, or lateral movement, but he played on a team that stressed good D. How is his overall ball handling? I know he is not much of an assist man, and to me, a good all-around SG should be picking up between 3-5 APG.

I'll be very wary if Derozan is on the board and we pass on him.

His form as you mention does look very solid and yes it does look very much like the Big O's.

Derozan reminds me of a combination of Vince Carter and Jerry Stackhouse.

He has that great body, along with the ups and great size for the 2-guard position. I would be very hesitant to pass on an athlete like this at #8.

This will be one very entertaining draft period....

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4/14/2009  1:50 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Paladin55:

The real question for the Knicks, especially if we draft at 8 and Evans and DeRozan are both available, is do we take Evans, if we have determined that he can be a very good PG in this league, or do we take DeRozan, if we have determined that he can be and very good SG in the NBA?

[Edited by - Paladin55 on 04-13-2009 6:58 PM]

Thats a tough call. Weve never had an athlete like Derozan and I know people would be going crazy if we get him. I would think we would have to promise him the pick with the riches of being a star NY athlete Nike etc.. behind it because if he gets into private workouts with other teams--he wont play here. Promise if he shuts it down.

On the other hand I think anyone witnessed what Tyreke can do it a fast tempo game and also what an intriguing player he*could* be from the 1 guard if he tweaks his game.

I might at this point slightly angle for Derozan by a very slim margin but I might be wrong.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 04-13-2009 7:14 PM]

I've loved Evan's from the 1st time I saw his game this season BUT Derozan came on strong in my mind and looks to be a prototypical 2-guard with All-Star potential.

I'd have to lean towards Derozan because there would not be a question about his position (at least in my mind). Evan's on the other hand could run into a situation where the point doesn't work out for him and though he has the size -- his game really is built around having the ball in his hands and putting his head down & driving to the basket.

I think the position certainty of Derozan makes him ideal -- particularly given we don't have a long-term solution at the 2-guard on the roster.

Downside to 2-guards are the potential status of guys like Lebron, Wade and J. Johnson.

All I hope if that both Derozan and Evan's slip to us and we have a choice -- again I'd lean Derozan.

Funny feeling tells me (outside of a big) our staff may lean towards Curry.

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4/14/2009  2:05 PM
Have any of you guys tried the ESPN lottery mock draft calculator? On about 30 tries, we came up 8th most of the time. With all the different scenarios, the calculator had us picking


8th - Harden (when available) or Aminu
9th - DeRozan

At 2nd - we picked Harden every time. It took 30 tries before we won the lottery

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/lottery2009/mockdraft

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4/14/2009  2:08 PM
if we pick Harden over Derozan i'm gonna be pretty upset... scratch that, i'm gonna be livid.
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4/14/2009  2:12 PM
If we believe that Evans is a PG, then he's the pick.

If not, then you're picking between small, quick, classic PG's and maybe you decide to take Derozan over them.
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