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Ricky Rubio is declaring - I think it's a pretty safe bet he'll be the pick.
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JohnWallace44
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4/9/2009  3:02 PM
Bottom line is that if we draft Evans/Holiday we would need them to be able to develop Nash like abilities as far as driving and distributing, leadership, etc and hope that they can defend with their size advantages.

If we were to pull off a Rubio pick, he's got the passing, leadership, defense. We'd need him to develop the physicality that Evans/Holiday either have or that you could conservatively project.

Any of the other point prospects won't give you a size advantage. Certainly doesn't mean that they can't be good players, but having a big PG would be nice.

...and Griffo is small. Take away the hype, and he's an undersized, athletic 4 that can't shoot. Steromile-esque. Kill me all you want for that comparison. Hard to argue that its not accurate.

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4/9/2009  3:08 PM
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Best video on youtube about him.


Ok - that was probably the greatest point-guard highlight video ever put together for a pre-draft player.

I'm not saying Rubio's body will hold up to the NBA grind but there are some things that the video make very clear.

Ricky has the best hands, court vision and passing ability I think I've ever seen in a young player.

Also obvious -- he has tremendous court awareness and instincts and his 1st inclination is to always set up his teammate first.

Laughing at Briggs saying that Rubio wouldn't start at the NCAA level --- crap he would have run circles around the Big East.

If we could draft Gallo at #6 based on a couple of workouts and some grainy highlight footage - than this highlight reel makes Ricky an easy selection at #2 because he does everything except shoot and stand tall better than Gallo.

Viva La Ricky Rubio --- bring him to the garden and watch the place come alive.

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4/9/2009  3:10 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Bottom line is that if we draft Evans/Holiday we would need them to be able to develop Nash like abilities as far as driving and distributing, leadership, etc and hope that they can defend with their size advantages.

If we were to pull off a Rubio pick, he's got the passing, leadership, defense. We'd need him to develop the physicality that Evans/Holiday either have or that you could conservatively project.

Any of the other point prospects won't give you a size advantage. Certainly doesn't mean that they can't be good players, but having a big PG would be nice.

...and Griffo is small. Take away the hype, and he's an undersized, athletic 4 that can't shoot. Steromile-esque. Kill me all you want for that comparison. Hard to argue that its not accurate.

What hype--the fact that he averaged 24 points and 14 rebounds shooting 66% as a sophomore? The fact that he averaged 28 points and 15 rebounds in the NCAA tourney? If he is hype--who is the real deal This guy is an athletic powerhouse with unbelievable agility who will physically dominate match ups in the nBA on a nightly basis. He has Karl Malone type strength

Hype is a Spaniard who averages 2 points and 2 assists
The real deal is a 6-9.5 260 PF who can dribble like a guard and play 4 feet above the rim.
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4/9/2009  3:15 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Bottom line is that if we draft Evans/Holiday we would need them to be able to develop Nash like abilities as far as driving and distributing, leadership, etc and hope that they can defend with their size advantages.

If we were to pull off a Rubio pick, he's got the passing, leadership, defense. We'd need him to develop the physicality that Evans/Holiday either have or that you could conservatively project.

Any of the other point prospects won't give you a size advantage. Certainly doesn't mean that they can't be good players, but having a big PG would be nice.

...and Griffo is small. Take away the hype, and he's an undersized, athletic 4 that can't shoot. Steromile-esque. Kill me all you want for that comparison. Hard to argue that its not accurate.

What hype--the fact that he averaged 24 points and 14 rebounds shooting 66% as a sophomore? The fact that he averaged 28 points and 15 rebounds in the NCAA tourney? If he is hype--who is the real deal This guy is an athletic powerhouse with unbelievable agility who will physically dominate match ups in the nBA on a nightly basis. He has Karl Malone type strength

Hype is a Spaniard who averages 2 points and 2 assists
The real deal is a 6-9.5 260 PF who can dribble like a guard and play 4 feet above the rim.

Briggs - I'm a big Griffin fan as well -- he seems off the charts.

However I would caution because Beasley (just last year) looked as dominant as any college PF in the last 20 years and he hasn't exactly knocked everyones socks off this year. I think Griffin's games a bit different but not dramatically different than Beasley at K. State.

Just saying that stuff a strong kid gets away with at the college level doesn't always translate into the same domination at the pro level. Same as the Euro to NBA translation typically suffers. I have similar concerns about Tyreke Evan's college game potentially looking better than reality due to his strength advantage against overall weaker NCAA players.
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4/9/2009  3:17 PM
Man, one week Griffin went from being the consensus #1 pick on this forum to a short kid who will get his shots stuffed.
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4/9/2009  3:19 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

Man, one week Griffin went from being the consensus #1 pick on this forum to a short kid on hgh who will get his shots stuffed.

fixed.
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4/9/2009  3:21 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Bottom line is that if we draft Evans/Holiday we would need them to be able to develop Nash like abilities as far as driving and distributing, leadership, etc and hope that they can defend with their size advantages.

If we were to pull off a Rubio pick, he's got the passing, leadership, defense. We'd need him to develop the physicality that Evans/Holiday either have or that you could conservatively project.

Any of the other point prospects won't give you a size advantage. Certainly doesn't mean that they can't be good players, but having a big PG would be nice.

...and Griffo is small. Take away the hype, and he's an undersized, athletic 4 that can't shoot. Steromile-esque. Kill me all you want for that comparison. Hard to argue that its not accurate.

What hype--the fact that he averaged 24 points and 14 rebounds shooting 66% as a sophomore? The fact that he averaged 28 points and 15 rebounds in the NCAA tourney? If he is hype--who is the real deal This guy is an athletic powerhouse with unbelievable agility who will physically dominate match ups in the nBA on a nightly basis. He has Karl Malone type strength

Hype is a Spaniard who averages 2 points and 2 assists
The real deal is a 6-9.5 260 PF who can dribble like a guard and play 4 feet above the rim.

dude seriously, wake up. Rubio has been on the shelf all year cause of a wrist problem.
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4/9/2009  3:24 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Bottom line is that if we draft Evans/Holiday we would need them to be able to develop Nash like abilities as far as driving and distributing, leadership, etc and hope that they can defend with their size advantages.

If we were to pull off a Rubio pick, he's got the passing, leadership, defense. We'd need him to develop the physicality that Evans/Holiday either have or that you could conservatively project.

Any of the other point prospects won't give you a size advantage. Certainly doesn't mean that they can't be good players, but having a big PG would be nice.

...and Griffo is small. Take away the hype, and he's an undersized, athletic 4 that can't shoot. Steromile-esque. Kill me all you want for that comparison. Hard to argue that its not accurate.

What hype--the fact that he averaged 24 points and 14 rebounds shooting 66% as a sophomore? The fact that he averaged 28 points and 15 rebounds in the NCAA tourney? If he is hype--who is the real deal This guy is an athletic powerhouse with unbelievable agility who will physically dominate match ups in the nBA on a nightly basis. He has Karl Malone type strength

Hype is a Spaniard who averages 2 points and 2 assists
The real deal is a 6-9.5 260 PF who can dribble like a guard and play 4 feet above the rim.

dude seriously, wake up. Rubio has been on the shelf all year cause of a wrist problem.

Oh no! Not again.
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4/9/2009  3:24 PM
Briggs, I'm sorry, but you come off in this thread sounding ignorant as hell.
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4/9/2009  3:26 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by martin:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Bottom line is that if we draft Evans/Holiday we would need them to be able to develop Nash like abilities as far as driving and distributing, leadership, etc and hope that they can defend with their size advantages.

If we were to pull off a Rubio pick, he's got the passing, leadership, defense. We'd need him to develop the physicality that Evans/Holiday either have or that you could conservatively project.

Any of the other point prospects won't give you a size advantage. Certainly doesn't mean that they can't be good players, but having a big PG would be nice.

...and Griffo is small. Take away the hype, and he's an undersized, athletic 4 that can't shoot. Steromile-esque. Kill me all you want for that comparison. Hard to argue that its not accurate.

What hype--the fact that he averaged 24 points and 14 rebounds shooting 66% as a sophomore? The fact that he averaged 28 points and 15 rebounds in the NCAA tourney? If he is hype--who is the real deal This guy is an athletic powerhouse with unbelievable agility who will physically dominate match ups in the nBA on a nightly basis. He has Karl Malone type strength

Hype is a Spaniard who averages 2 points and 2 assists
The real deal is a 6-9.5 260 PF who can dribble like a guard and play 4 feet above the rim.

dude seriously, wake up. Rubio has been on the shelf all year cause of a wrist problem.

Oh no! Not again.

ha! and you know tractor childs is gonna sit on that wrist too!

this is going to be the best thing that happened to this franchise since the jerome james signing.
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4/9/2009  3:27 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Briggs, I'm sorry, but you come off in this thread sounding ignorant as hell.


Why because I think Blake griffin is a far superior prospect to Rubio? Well wait and see my friend
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4/9/2009  3:28 PM
The Knicks crack medical staff will determine it's just growing pains in the wrist. No worries.
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4/9/2009  3:32 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Briggs, I'm sorry, but you come off in this thread sounding ignorant as hell.


Why because I think Blake griffin is a far superior prospect to Rubio? Well wait and see my friend
if this ever happened briggy would go totally over the edge. he’d make michael jackson seem rational and even-keeled.

he'd kidnap griffin, randolph and bynum and keep them captured in a pit in his basement like buffalo bill in silence of the lambs. he'd come down to the pit in his uconn jersey every day to babble incoherent things to them and scare the bejesus out of them
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4/9/2009  3:34 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
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if we could be so lucky... A highly athletic 2 way PG who has played againt and wowed NBA players. He's big and long at 6'4 190 (6'5 220 in Briggs measurements).

He's so clearly the #2 pick I dont see how we have a shot. Our only change is MDA and DW convince him to not work out for anyone and threaten to sign in Europe if any team but NY picks him. It probably wont work but worth a shot

He's clearly the number two, but I think he'll be the best player in this year's draft. Griffin was an absolute stud this year, but he's a smaller guy who may sturggle to get his shot off a the next level, and I think it'll turn out like Durant/Oden or Beasley/Mayo, where the more talented guy falls because "you have to draft size." Rubio was an absolute stud in the Olympics and all the NBA all stars raved about him.

And I love Griffin. He was my choice for the Knicks to draft last year, if he declared. If Bip ever gets that search function together, I'm on record saying that... so, please, no one give me any BS about hating or disrepsecting Griffin.

You know what is funny--people dissing Griffin and calling him small. Lets see how small he is in the pros and how these *stronger bigger PFs will take care of him

Whatever. I'm not sure of his actual height, but if he's close to 6'7" all those uncontested shots he faced now become contested, and all those contested shots now get blocked. But, oh yeah, he's the second coming of Karl Malone, right

You mean the contested shots like when he is sitting 4 feet above the rim or hitting his head on the side of the backboard and finishing a dunk? The guys is an NBA PF super star in the making--there is no doubt--he is the real deal--the only and true pick 1 int his draft. If the Knicks were to get pick one and do something otherwise--they would put risk to the value of the franchise after 9 years of losing. At some point people will fail to show up.

Dude, get a grip. I've been singing Griffin's praises since LAST season, and all of this season, unlike you, who had Michael Beasley pegged as the next NBA superstar, just as you did Thabeet. You're all over the place (as usual) and, frankly, it's difficult to have any sort of rational prospect discussion with you because your tone changes more than an American Idol contest
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4/9/2009  3:34 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

The Knicks crack medical staff will determine it's just growing pains in the wrist. No worries.



the spanish neurosurgeons will be here to observe the wrist bone-shaving!
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Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Briggs, I'm sorry, but you come off in this thread sounding ignorant as hell.


Why because I think Blake griffin is a far superior prospect to Rubio? Well wait and see my friend

No, not at all Briggs - I agree with you on that. I say it because you basically haven't said one good thing about Rubio and my guess is that you're dismissing him for the sole reason he's a foreign prospect.
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4/9/2009  3:48 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Briggs, I'm sorry, but you come off in this thread sounding ignorant as hell.


Why because I think Blake griffin is a far superior prospect to Rubio? Well wait and see my friend

No, not at all Briggs - I agree with you on that. I say it because you basically haven't said one good thing about Rubio and my guess is that you're dismissing him for the sole reason he's a foreign prospect.

Here's the thing, I know Griffin is a fantastic prospect, and he'll make a good pro. I just want to see the official measurements before I anoint him the next big thing... but I realize I am in the overwhelming minority in thinking Rubio is the better prospect. I do admit that irregardless of size griffin is a great prospect.

nyk4ever, I know you aren't arguing with me, I'm just addressing you because you disagree with my stance, but know I can have an even-keeled discussion with you about who should be #1
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4/9/2009  3:48 PM
I think this will be the worst decision to draft Ricky Rubio becuase there are so many other point guards that are better then he is such, jeff teague, steph curry, johnny flynn, jrue holiday, patty mills, eric maynor, tryke evans and ty lawson. I rather take my chances on those guys then ricky rubio because all we got on this guy highlights from europe and others I think most of us seen these guys in the college games and have saw lot more upside on those guys then in him. Also you guys have know he has 8million dollar buyout and nba teams only can use 500,000. I also belive this draft is the most important draft so we can;t take a risk on this guy especially if we get the number 1 pick.
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4/9/2009  3:58 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Briggs, I'm sorry, but you come off in this thread sounding ignorant as hell.


Why because I think Blake griffin is a far superior prospect to Rubio? Well wait and see my friend

No, not at all Briggs - I agree with you on that. I say it because you basically haven't said one good thing about Rubio and my guess is that you're dismissing him for the sole reason he's a foreign prospect.

If we had pick 1 and used on Rubio or traded down to get Rubio--that would be one psychotic move. To me Ricky Rubio has a LOT of risk--thats not saying college players dont but people saying he is 20 times the prospect that Steve Nash was--Steve Nash can back him up--I think then you have a case of ignoramus abuse. This franchise could not RISK Blake griffin on that kid.
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Posted by lumbardar:

I think this will be the worst decision to draft Ricky Rubio becuase there are so many other point guards that are better then he is such, jeff teague, steph curry, johnny flynn, jrue holiday, patty mills, eric maynor, tryke evans and ty lawson. I rather take my chances on those guys then ricky rubio because all we got on this guy highlights from europe and others I think most of us seen these guys in the college games and have saw lot more upside on those guys then in him. Also you guys have know he has 8million dollar buyout and nba teams only can use 500,000. I also belive this draft is the most important draft so we can;t take a risk on this guy especially if we get the number 1 pick.

See, I disagree. I like Maynor a lot, but I don't think any of those players are in the same league as Rubio as a prospect. he had a cast on his hand, and led his league in 3P% at 49% (que???). He won defensive player of the year. He has 6.3 APG in 21 MPG. He's a great, great prospect, and he's 6'3". Not to mention, he's essentially ambidextrous

[Edited by - supremecommander on 04-09-2009 4:03 PM]
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