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fishmike
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3/20/2009  10:22 AM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Dude's a 45.6% shooter against 2nd level competition and has struggled against the big programs.

Warren and Derozan both shoot better against better competition in their freshman years if you're looking for shooting guards.

We've discussed a dozen or so PG's in this draft if you're looking for that.
please....

Name me one player in college basketball that draws more attention from opposing defenses than Curry. you cant find one. Thats what makes his 28ppg so impressive. Also he takes 10 3's a game and hits about 40% of those. He's just so much better than everyone on his team that he's got to take that many shots and every defense that Davidson plays against is focused on one thing: how to defend Curry.

Brook Lopez had a terrible shooting % and everyone said to take him.

Curry = Jeff Horneck. The guy is going to be a terrific NBA player.

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3/20/2009  10:31 AM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Dude's a 45.6% shooter against 2nd level competition and has struggled against the big programs.

Warren and Derozan both shoot better against better competition in their freshman years if you're looking for shooting guards.

We've discussed a dozen or so PG's in this draft if you're looking for that.
please....

Name me one player in college basketball that draws more attention from opposing defenses than Curry. you cant find one. Thats what makes his 28ppg so impressive. Also he takes 10 3's a game and hits about 40% of those. He's just so much better than everyone on his team that he's got to take that many shots and every defense that Davidson plays against is focused on one thing: how to defend Curry.

Brook Lopez had a terrible shooting % and everyone said to take him.

Curry = Jeff Horneck. The guy is going to be a terrific NBA player.

Who's this Knicks player;

college stats - 44.7% shooting - led his conference in scoring - 41.7% 3pt shooting

[Edited by - johnwallace44 on 03-20-2009 10:32 AM]
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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3/20/2009  10:33 AM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Dude's a 45.6% shooter against 2nd level competition and has struggled against the big programs.

Warren and Derozan both shoot better against better competition in their freshman years if you're looking for shooting guards.

We've discussed a dozen or so PG's in this draft if you're looking for that.
please....

Name me one player in college basketball that draws more attention from opposing defenses than Curry. you cant find one. Thats what makes his 28ppg so impressive. Also he takes 10 3's a game and hits about 40% of those. He's just so much better than everyone on his team that he's got to take that many shots and every defense that Davidson plays against is focused on one thing: how to defend Curry.

Brook Lopez had a terrible shooting % and everyone said to take him.

Curry = Jeff Horneck. The guy is going to be a terrific NBA player.


Exactly fish. Plus he is an unselfish player. remember that game where they doubled him all game, so he stood in the corner , away from the ball, and didn't shoot as his team basically played 4 against 3? how many big time scorers would make that sacrafice?

The kid is a heck of a player and I can see the same thing on the NBA level...
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3/20/2009  11:15 AM
Curry = Jeff Horneck. The guy is going to be a terrific NBA player.

Forgive me if I don't get excited about Jeff Hornacek.

Derozan's going to be a defender and shows signs of being a big scorer, and has the size to get his shot any time he wants in the NBA.

Evans and Warren I would say basically the same thing about.

How many years have we depended on Jamal or Nate getting extremely hot, or we lose the game? Let's get some two way players in here please.

The closest comparison I can think of on the upside of Curry would be BJ Armstrong. The Knicks just plain and simple need a higher risk/reward pick this year. Mullens would be the extreme of that notion.
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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3/20/2009  11:16 AM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Dude's a 45.6% shooter against 2nd level competition and has struggled against the big programs.

Warren and Derozan both shoot better against better competition in their freshman years if you're looking for shooting guards.

We've discussed a dozen or so PG's in this draft if you're looking for that.
please....

Name me one player in college basketball that draws more attention from opposing defenses than Curry. you cant find one. Thats what makes his 28ppg so impressive. Also he takes 10 3's a game and hits about 40% of those. He's just so much better than everyone on his team that he's got to take that many shots and every defense that Davidson plays against is focused on one thing: how to defend Curry.

Brook Lopez had a terrible shooting % and everyone said to take him.

Curry = Jeff Horneck. The guy is going to be a terrific NBA player.


Exactly fish. Plus he is an unselfish player. remember that game where they doubled him all game, so he stood in the corner , away from the ball, and didn't shoot as his team basically played 4 against 3? how many big time scorers would make that sacrafice?

The kid is a heck of a player and I can see the same thing on the NBA level...
Curry is a sure thing. Its got nothing to do with stats. Stats are great for guys on the internet that want to argue this guy is better than that. There are bigger, stronger, faster more explosive players in this draft. Maybe even some that have better numbers. There isnt one that understands basketball better than Curry. Curry probably has a higher BB IQ than anyone coming out. Curry's shot, and his ability to get that shot off from anywhere at anytime and incredibly quickly will make him an instant weapon. He's great away from the ball like Reggie Miller was. Anyone defending him will be chasing him around all night because if they dont he will drop 40 on them without thinking. His ability to catch and shoot is that good.

Will he be a star PG? Will be be a great bench scorer? I dont know. He will be a good NBA player. How good time will tell.

The comparisons to guys like JJ Reddick tells me people dont watch games or dont understand what they are watching. This isnt a system guy playing for a loaded team thats scored a bunch of points. If Curry played on Duke or NC he would have 8 assists a game and shoot 55%. He's not surrounded by that kind of talent.

Derozen is a prospect not a player. Derozen might be a star. He might be the next Quentel Woods. Who knows.

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3/20/2009  11:25 AM
knicks need to get stars. curry is not a star.
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3/20/2009  11:28 AM
Take the BPA. That's it. Nobody on this team has a spot solidified on the roster. Take the BPA. Our "needs" are at every position.
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3/20/2009  11:38 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

knicks need to get stars. curry is not a star.

^^^
Exactly.

I didn't realize that Curry was a national treasure or something.
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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3/20/2009  12:33 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by tkf:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Dude's a 45.6% shooter against 2nd level competition and has struggled against the big programs.

Warren and Derozan both shoot better against better competition in their freshman years if you're looking for shooting guards.

We've discussed a dozen or so PG's in this draft if you're looking for that.
please....

Name me one player in college basketball that draws more attention from opposing defenses than Curry. you cant find one. Thats what makes his 28ppg so impressive. Also he takes 10 3's a game and hits about 40% of those. He's just so much better than everyone on his team that he's got to take that many shots and every defense that Davidson plays against is focused on one thing: how to defend Curry.

Brook Lopez had a terrible shooting % and everyone said to take him.

Curry = Jeff Horneck. The guy is going to be a terrific NBA player.


Exactly fish. Plus he is an unselfish player. remember that game where they doubled him all game, so he stood in the corner , away from the ball, and didn't shoot as his team basically played 4 against 3? how many big time scorers would make that sacrafice?

The kid is a heck of a player and I can see the same thing on the NBA level...
Curry is a sure thing. Its got nothing to do with stats. Stats are great for guys on the internet that want to argue this guy is better than that. There are bigger, stronger, faster more explosive players in this draft. Maybe even some that have better numbers. There isnt one that understands basketball better than Curry. Curry probably has a higher BB IQ than anyone coming out. Curry's shot, and his ability to get that shot off from anywhere at anytime and incredibly quickly will make him an instant weapon. He's great away from the ball like Reggie Miller was. Anyone defending him will be chasing him around all night because if they dont he will drop 40 on them without thinking. His ability to catch and shoot is that good.

Will he be a star PG? Will be be a great bench scorer? I dont know. He will be a good NBA player. How good time will tell.

The comparisons to guys like JJ Reddick tells me people dont watch games or dont understand what they are watching. This isnt a system guy playing for a loaded team thats scored a bunch of points. If Curry played on Duke or NC he would have 8 assists a game and shoot 55%. He's not surrounded by that kind of talent.

Derozen is a prospect not a player. Derozen might be a star. He might be the next Quentel Woods. Who knows.

Fishmike-- Derozan has star qualities--I think one of two guys in the draft. I think anyone who watched the Pac 10 tourney may have been sold. The bottom line is he went from prospect to player in this last month of the year. He caught up with the game and now as a freshmen can physically impose will on the game. If he stayed at USC next year you would be talking superstar pick 1 or 2 and everyone would be able to see it. I was the first one to criticize the player for being picked as a top 3 type talent early this year--he did not play close to that level--couldnt shoot had no handle and was just a piece of the team. In this tournament he showed as vastly different--he showed nice form on his shot--he showed an improved handle--he physically imposed his will in terms of rebounding scoring and defense with his athletic ability and size. This is a star type player in the making. There is no other player in this draft besides Griffin--and that includes Harden Thabeet and Hill that has star qualities about them.
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3/20/2009  1:18 PM
nowhere did I say Derozan doesnt have star qualities. He's a physical specimen so he's going to have stretches where he totally dominates. Also I would have no problem with the Knicks taking him over Curry. I get the reasoning. I see the same things you guys see. I do think Harden has star qualities.

That being said Knick fans see drafts as star or bust and thats a problem. Just look at Gallo. Are Bayless, Gordon or Alexander star qualities? The Knicks tried to hit the home run and take the 6'10 scorer hoping for the next Dirk.

DJ.. I agree. Knicks do need a star. Pretty sure your not getting that with pick 11 or whereever we choose. However if a guy like Curry is there your guarenteed to get a good player, another thing people here dont appreciate.

So what do you want the Knicks to take?

To bad Knicks dont have a pick in 2010. Then I would say screw it. Let Lee and Nate or take anything back in a sign and trade and go win 18 games and hope we can draft a star with our top 3 pick. If Johnwallace gets his wish 15 months from you might just hear Stern say "with the first pick in the 2010 draft the Utah Jazz select...."

that should leave people warm and fuzzy lol
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3/20/2009  1:35 PM
i think the knicks should trade the pick if it's not top 3 or 4. they will mess it up like they always have.
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3/20/2009  1:46 PM
haha - spoken like a true Knicks fan

You'd think that if they let Isiah handle the draft and Donnie handle FA deals and trades then we should be covered, but we are the Knicks afterall.
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3/20/2009  2:14 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

haha - spoken like a true Knicks fan

You'd think that if they let Isiah handle the draft and Donnie handle FA deals and trades then we should be covered, but we are the Knicks afterall.
Isiah had one big shot in the draft and he picked Channing Frye. That was our one shot at a star

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3/20/2009  2:29 PM
so far walsh has had one big shot in the draft and you can say he dropped the ball.

knicks should be buyers. should've been buyers last summer. and even more incentive to be buyers now. they can put together a 50 win team next season if they want.
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3/20/2009  3:09 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

haha - spoken like a true Knicks fan

You'd think that if they let Isiah handle the draft and Donnie handle FA deals and trades then we should be covered, but we are the Knicks afterall.
Isiah had one big shot in the draft and he picked Channing Frye. That was our one shot at a star

You could put Isiah's draft record against anybody. Unfortunately you could put his trade record and FA signings against anyone's worst.

Let's not debate Isiah again. The memories are not fun. If he's scouting for us though, I think we'll do fine in the draft.
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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3/20/2009  3:15 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

so far walsh has had one big shot in the draft and you can say he dropped the ball.

knicks should be buyers. should've been buyers last summer. and even more incentive to be buyers now. they can put together a 50 win team next season if they want.

If the Warriors dont want Monta Ellis or their giving him sht about his ankle-- I would be more than willing to give them full cap relief for him and a future 1 pick as long a we make 110% sure that his ankle is or can be 100% again. Monta Ellis is easily one of the most under rated great players and hes still 23 years old.
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3/20/2009  3:19 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

so far walsh has had one big shot in the draft and you can say he dropped the ball.

knicks should be buyers. should've been buyers last summer. and even more incentive to be buyers now. they can put together a 50 win team next season if they want.
what was the big shot? Who did Walsh pass on? Lopez?

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3/20/2009  3:30 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by djsunyc:

so far walsh has had one big shot in the draft and you can say he dropped the ball.

knicks should be buyers. should've been buyers last summer. and even more incentive to be buyers now. they can put together a 50 win team next season if they want.
what was the big shot? Who did Walsh pass on? Lopez?

Has he been drafting impact players left and right in Indiana? I must have missed that one. He's a solid GM, but he's still got a lot to prove in NY.

The Rooster was a reach. Everyone said that at the time and still do. He showed signs that he could be a player. We'll see.

If it comes out that they ignored back problems then that's not going to go over well in the press.
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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3/20/2009  3:36 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by djsunyc:

so far walsh has had one big shot in the draft and you can say he dropped the ball.

knicks should be buyers. should've been buyers last summer. and even more incentive to be buyers now. they can put together a 50 win team next season if they want.
what was the big shot? Who did Walsh pass on? Lopez?

Has he been drafting impact players left and right in Indiana? I must have missed that one. He's a solid GM, but he's still got a lot to prove in NY.

The Rooster was a reach. Everyone said that at the time and still do. He showed signs that he could be a player. We'll see.

If it comes out that they ignored back problems then that's not going to go over well in the press.
who was the rooster a reach over?

Where is the guy with star qualities we passed over?

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3/20/2009  3:37 PM
draft is a crapshoot. should've traded the pick. it's now a wasted asset b/c you can't trade gallo.
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