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3/19/2009  5:44 PM
Who drafted after Gallinari is a franchise player?
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3/19/2009  5:47 PM
I say next year we pick a kid that needs a heart transplant.

If things don't work out, oh well don't criticize anybody or blame anybody for doing so, just move on.

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3/19/2009  5:52 PM
Posted by CrushAlot:

I watch the draft every year and the only picks I remember being booed were Balkman and Gallo. In both of those cases the fans were right to boo. This was a WTF pick before this ever came out. The talent that was passed up by a 23 win team to take another unkown small forward was crazy. Now that this has come out I do not know what to think. Walsh is the only one who has taken any ownership of the pick but also said that he had not seen Gallo play live and had only seen limited film on him. I would love to know who the driving force was that got the Knicks as an organization to give up the chance to draft a franchise player for a euro with a bad back.

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3/19/2009  5:56 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

the knicks were gonna get a euro this season after seeing the huge international fan support visiting players got last year (including the crazy navarro chants). so i guess this was their way in getting one.

su, c'mon we went over this before. the idea that the knicks felt they had to draft an international player because of "international" fans at games coming to support their own country players notion is full of more holes than a screen door.
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3/19/2009  5:58 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by djsunyc:

the knicks were gonna get a euro this season after seeing the huge international fan support visiting players got last year (including the crazy navarro chants). so i guess this was their way in getting one.

I don't get that at all DJ. If the only euro in the draft was a one-legged midgit, you're telling me they were going to draft him?

This stuff just sounds silly to me. I seriously doubt the Knicks were going to compromise taking a better player in this draft just take an international player.

Thats what they did. NY fans are savvy. They booed the shyt out of this pick.

The Knick fans have booed the **** out of every pick in the last 10+ years...

lol, that is so true.

but they cheered wildly for lampe...

sooooo savvy
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3/19/2009  5:59 PM
The guys I would say will be franchise players for sure, Lopez and Randolph. I am pretty sure that McGee will also develop into that type of talent and Jason Thompson may as well. Gordon and Bayless have the potential to be that type of player. The pick didn't make sense from a needs approach (5 small forwards acquired or drafted over the last 4 years on draft night) or from the best player available approach.
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3/19/2009  6:01 PM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by sebstar:

when I said "you" I was talking about Walsh.

And what is your line of reasoning as to why we drafted a guy with the number 6 pick with a bad back, when there was a wealth of talent immediately before, and certainly after our selection.

My guess is they thought he was the best player on the board. Why did Dumars draft Darko over Melo, Wade, Bosh? Why did the Wizards draft Kwame Brown over Tyson Chandler, Joe Johnson and Pau Gasol? This **** happens dude.

Dumars was hoodwinked by the Euro craze earlier in the decade. Same deal, almost. His pick was definitely more sociological and psychological than basketball minded. His mistake cost them championships.

Yeah, every GM makes mistakes. Drafting is not an exact science, for sure. But once it was discovered that Gallo had back issues at 19 years of age, he should have been taken off the board considering the talent that was behind him. Point blank. Why wasnt he?

the anti-euro...oops...you mean...international since many of the players are not from europe...but why let little things get in the way of straw man based hatred towards non-american players...is even more stupid since most of the league has international players, and many successful teams have them...meanwhile the knicks never acquired one while isiah was in control...what a genius he was for not falling for that craze
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3/19/2009  6:02 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by djsunyc:

the knicks were gonna get a euro this season after seeing the huge international fan support visiting players got last year (including the crazy navarro chants). so i guess this was their way in getting one.

I don't get that at all DJ. If the only euro in the draft was a one-legged midgit, you're telling me they were going to draft him?

This stuff just sounds silly to me. I seriously doubt the Knicks were going to compromise taking a better player in this draft just take an international player.

no, they were going to get a euro player for this season. i think they just saw the draft (w/ gallo) as their shot. if they didn't take gallo, they would've signed or traded for an international player. so a non US player was going to be on the knicks this season.

dude, where do you get this idea from? what is this based on other than what you've said alredy?
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3/19/2009  6:04 PM
Posted by PresIke:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by djsunyc:

the knicks were gonna get a euro this season after seeing the huge international fan support visiting players got last year (including the crazy navarro chants). so i guess this was their way in getting one.

I don't get that at all DJ. If the only euro in the draft was a one-legged midgit, you're telling me they were going to draft him?

This stuff just sounds silly to me. I seriously doubt the Knicks were going to compromise taking a better player in this draft just take an international player.

Thats what they did. NY fans are savvy. They booed the shyt out of this pick.

The Knick fans have booed the **** out of every pick in the last 10+ years...

lol, that is so true.

but they cheered wildly for lampe...

sooooo savvy

For a number 30 pick it was a great selection. But if they would have drafted him six, I guarantee NY fans would have been more skeptical
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3/19/2009  6:20 PM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by PresIke:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by djsunyc:

the knicks were gonna get a euro this season after seeing the huge international fan support visiting players got last year (including the crazy navarro chants). so i guess this was their way in getting one.

I don't get that at all DJ. If the only euro in the draft was a one-legged midgit, you're telling me they were going to draft him?

This stuff just sounds silly to me. I seriously doubt the Knicks were going to compromise taking a better player in this draft just take an international player.

Thats what they did. NY fans are savvy. They booed the shyt out of this pick.

The Knick fans have booed the **** out of every pick in the last 10+ years...

lol, that is so true.

but they cheered wildly for lampe...

sooooo savvy

For a number 30 pick it was a great selection. But if they would have drafted him six, I guarantee NY fans would have been more skeptical

everyone was excited abput lampe because they thought they got another lotto pick, i think.

anyway, with respect to the contributors...this thread is disappointing to read from knick fans claiming to be the most knowledgeable and savvy.

even for some of the respected members here, the willingness to accept kiki's comments as pure, appear to overlook so many other variables and turn his simple answer -- which does not tell us much other than kiki may have known there was a pre-existing condition -- but does not involve nuanced details required to fully understand someone's medical condition, is sad to read as a knick fan.

it's if as if some of us are so traumatized all we can do is see the negative in whatever the team does, or we have become so cynical that we think the organization is so neoliberal in its practice that they don't even make moves in the best interests of winning titles.

why would the nets consider drafting him only 4 picks later if they felt his condition was that bad?

the insistence that we wanted an international player this season at all costs is almost impossible to respond to with a straight face.

the idea that kiki is a "gentleman" with no bias is just as hard for me to say with a straight face.

i mean, c'mon guys, let's be better than this.

[Edited by - PresIke on 03-19-2009 6:21 PM]
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3/19/2009  6:20 PM
Posted by PresIke:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by djsunyc:

the knicks were gonna get a euro this season after seeing the huge international fan support visiting players got last year (including the crazy navarro chants). so i guess this was their way in getting one.

I don't get that at all DJ. If the only euro in the draft was a one-legged midgit, you're telling me they were going to draft him?

This stuff just sounds silly to me. I seriously doubt the Knicks were going to compromise taking a better player in this draft just take an international player.

Thats what they did. NY fans are savvy. They booed the shyt out of this pick.

The Knick fans have booed the **** out of every pick in the last 10+ years...

lol, that is so true.

but they cheered wildly for lampe...

sooooo savvy

Not quite as savvy as drafting a kid with back problems.
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3/19/2009  6:32 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:
The Nets are said to be interested in drafting 19-year-old Italian small forward Danilo Gallinari. The Knicks are believed to be high on him, too, and since they draft sixth, Gallinari may not be available when the Nets' turn comes up.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/nets/2008/06/24/2008-06-24_rod_thorn_says_nets_pick_in_draft_is_to_.html
"The Knicks are going to take Danilo Gallinari," Nets president Rod Thorn said last night, referring to the Italian forward who had been at the top of his wish list all month. "And the others have yet to make up their minds. Which means that we still have three or four different guys who can drop to us."

http://www.nj.com/nets/index.ssf/2008/06/content_to_see_who_falls_their.html
The deadline for pulling out of the draft has passed, Gallinari is sticking around, and that may serve as ample confirmation that the agent is right.

"I think Jersey has given him a guarantee," the agent said. "Though it's more like, 'If you're still around at 10, we'll take you.' Just to keep him in it, a promise that they're not going to pass on him."

http://www.nj.com/nets/index.ssf/2008/06/gallinari_guarantee.html

I think after all of these years you can realize all of the GMs BS their brains out before the draft
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3/19/2009  6:33 PM
It's clear like day that Galo was Mike’s boy. Everybody knows his close relationship with Galo's family and overall Italian connection.
When you want to drag coach like MikeD into this mess which was (and still is) NY Knicks you need to pay the price and do whatever he says.
Galo was a test for mike to see how far he can go in controlling the team destiny.
So he got the answer and Knicks paid the price.
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[Edited by - arkrud on 03-19-2009 6:33 PM]
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3/19/2009  6:48 PM
islesfan is a busy guy...hey isles, was that you who posted a comment on the daily news article written by isola on this topic? wow, you love to get around when negativity about the knicks in in the air.... LOL
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3/19/2009  7:01 PM
Posted by islesfan:

I say next year we pick a kid that needs a heart transplant.

If things don't work out, oh well don't criticize anybody or blame anybody for doing so, just move on.

No accountability, you gotta love it.

oh really? accountability = blame?
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3/19/2009  7:09 PM
Posted by PresIke:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by djsunyc:

the knicks were gonna get a euro this season after seeing the huge international fan support visiting players got last year (including the crazy navarro chants). so i guess this was their way in getting one.

I don't get that at all DJ. If the only euro in the draft was a one-legged midgit, you're telling me they were going to draft him?

This stuff just sounds silly to me. I seriously doubt the Knicks were going to compromise taking a better player in this draft just take an international player.

no, they were going to get a euro player for this season. i think they just saw the draft (w/ gallo) as their shot. if they didn't take gallo, they would've signed or traded for an international player. so a non US player was going to be on the knicks this season.

dude, where do you get this idea from? what is this based on other than what you've said alredy?

i only say it b/c i know it was a high priority for the knicks entering the offseason to bring in an international player. i don't think they drafted gallo solely b/c he was european BUT it did factor into the decision.
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3/19/2009  7:16 PM
I see you're digging in your heels at this point, Pres Ike.
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3/19/2009  7:24 PM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by islesfan:

I say next year we pick a kid that needs a heart transplant.

If things don't work out, oh well don't criticize anybody or blame anybody for doing so, just move on.

No accountability, you gotta love it.

oh really? accountability = blame?

When you draft a kid with known bad problems it does.
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3/19/2009  7:41 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by PresIke:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by djsunyc:

the knicks were gonna get a euro this season after seeing the huge international fan support visiting players got last year (including the crazy navarro chants). so i guess this was their way in getting one.

I don't get that at all DJ. If the only euro in the draft was a one-legged midgit, you're telling me they were going to draft him?

This stuff just sounds silly to me. I seriously doubt the Knicks were going to compromise taking a better player in this draft just take an international player.

no, they were going to get a euro player for this season. i think they just saw the draft (w/ gallo) as their shot. if they didn't take gallo, they would've signed or traded for an international player. so a non US player was going to be on the knicks this season.

dude, where do you get this idea from? what is this based on other than what you've said alredy?

i only say it b/c i know it was a high priority for the knicks entering the offseason to bring in an international player. i don't think they drafted gallo solely b/c he was european BUT it did factor into the decision.

i guess i'm just not following where you are getting that info from.
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3/19/2009  7:50 PM
Posted by sebstar:

I see you're digging in your heels at this point, Pres Ike.

to defend the gallo pick while folks throw out unsubstantiated claims or opinions as fact to support their argument, sure.

i'm just trying to keeping folks honest. it's just so easy with what's happened with gallo to get angry and feel a need to justify hatred or their questioning of the pick.

are we really supposed to believe kiki has no interest in making the knicks look bad?

the nets are the knicks direct local competition for fans, especially since they are not giving up so far in their desire to move to brooklyn, even when that is struggling and newark seems to want them.

so any chance to hurt the knicks in the p.r. department and try to sound "objective" is not exactly something the nets are gonna back down from.

kiki was also supposedly a strong potential hire for the knicks, if we recall. dolan hired walsh, not him, so maybe he dislikes the organization for that too.

i don't see challenging questionable statements or conclusions about the gallo pick as problematic. i see it as trying to make sure the argument remains balanced.
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