Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by BlueSeats:

Not good. I'm not surprised, in spite of assurances from Isles and Pharze I knew he was not right. But this is not good.

No no, the assurances were from that liar Mike D'Antoni. The coach who only gives lip service to doing what's right for his players.

No, I agree with you. We should only judge a coach on what he says to the press. And Gallo should have never been allowed to play limited minutes to see how he responds, that's irresponsible.

I'm glad we agree. Because I know when a coach says that they have to do what's right for a player's health and career, it's typically not a throwaway line to the press. At least it sure as hell shouldn't be because that would just be irresponsible.

So true, and we all know the responsible thing would have been what you suggested, which is if he's going to play 1 minute than he should be playing "at least" 15 mins every night. Never let a player progress slowly the way doctors advise, do it harshly out of spite.

Of course as a fan, I can only go by what the organization says it's going to do, which was not to let him play until he was 100%. That seems like the responsible thing to do and of course I always advocated that route by suggesting that he should play at least 10 minutes a night based on the medical staff and head coach declaring him 100% healthy.

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by Marv:

there was no recorded history of any injury prior to th draft. for all we know donnie walsh made a fantastic draft pick who fell prey to a freak injury when whalloped by tractor traylor. s##t happens my friends. the boston celtivs made a fantastic pick in selecting len bias and he offs himself with cocaine before playing a single game. what are ya gonna do?

Bias was a great pick and the right pick because he was the best player available to the Celtics. The same can't be said for the Knicks and their decision to take Gallinari.

What the Knicks should have done was pick a player who wasn't such a question mark when there were other players who were better and actually filled a need.

This is such a twist on the situation, that it's actually quite sickening.

The only 'questions' about Gallinari were whether or not he could translate his game to the NBA. It looks like he can...although it'll take another year or 2 to find out.

But you're stretching the situation to there having been 'questions' regarding his health...which were NOT THE CASE AT ALL.

Stop with the mindless ranting. You stated your case that you don't think he's talented. But don't lump that with the back issue.

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by buddapaw:

Knicks crack medical staff strikes again. Boy do they suck or what

Gallo has seen a bunch of different doctors. All of them have been specialists and NONE have suggested surgery! They said try rest and therapy first. He hasn't gotten better and instead it's flaired up again, so maybe the diagnosis will be different. He hasn't been getting advice only from Knick team doctors.

I just want the kid to get the best treatment and come back healthy.

I know nixluva but their track record doesn't really inspire confidence.

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by buddapaw:

Knicks crack medical staff strikes again. Boy do they suck or what

Gallo has seen a bunch of different doctors. All of them have been specialists and NONE have suggested surgery! They said try rest and therapy first. He hasn't gotten better and instead it's flaired up again, so maybe the diagnosis will be different. He hasn't been getting advice only from Knick team doctors.

I just want the kid to get the best treatment and come back healthy.

he's leaving the country to get medical opinions. he should come to my homeland and go see a f'n witchdoctor.

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by Vmart:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by Vmart:

Wow, Isles post count is about to shoot up. He must be over joyed at the fact that Gallo is hurt and shut down. Just the thought of Knick failures is enough for him to be happy. When Knicks fans are feeling sad for the kid you have a character that is over joyed, all because he wants to be right.

Who the hell is overjoyed? I'm pissed that we're stuck with damaged goods instead of a player the franchise can build with. Even before the draft I said that the 2008 and 2009 drafts were just as important as managing the cap and signing free agents. At a minimum they needed to draft 2 starters. Donnie Walsh himself said that they couldn't afford to screw up the pick. Now instead of having a starting center or shooting guard, we have to hope that this kid can be healthy by next year. It's another sick joke.

Yeah but you never hoped for the kid. Once he put on the NYK uniform you never hoped success for the kid.

That's completely untrue. I was just guarded in my optimism for his success.

Holy crap Isles used the word optimism

[Edited by - buddapaw on 03-17-2009 1:24 PM]

Posted by JamaicanJetFan:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by Marv:

there was no recorded history of any injury prior to th draft. for all we know donnie walsh made a fantastic draft pick who fell prey to a freak injury when whalloped by tractor traylor. s##t happens my friends. the boston celtivs made a fantastic pick in selecting len bias and he offs himself with cocaine before playing a single game. what are ya gonna do?

Bias was a great pick and the right pick because he was the best player available to the Celtics. The same can't be said for the Knicks and their decision to take Gallinari.

What the Knicks should have done was pick a player who wasn't such a question mark when there were other players who were better and actually filled a need.

This is such a twist on the situation, that it's actually quite sickening.

The only 'questions' about Gallinari were whether or not he could translate his game to the NBA. It looks like he can...although it'll take another year or 2 to find out.

But you're stretching the situation to there having been 'questions' regarding his health...which were NOT THE CASE AT ALL.

Stop with the mindless ranting. You stated your case that you don't think he's talented. But don't lump that with the back issue.

I didn't. You're taking my comments out of context.

The questions that I'm talking about were about Gallinari overall, considering that the GM and the head coach both said they had never seen him play. There were other options that they could and should have evaluated to a greater degree than they did Gallinari. And better options at that.

Posted by jimimou:

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by buddapaw:

Knicks crack medical staff strikes again. Boy do they suck or what

Gallo has seen a bunch of different doctors. All of them have been specialists and NONE have suggested surgery! They said try rest and therapy first. He hasn't gotten better and instead it's flaired up again, so maybe the diagnosis will be different. He hasn't been getting advice only from Knick team doctors.

I just want the kid to get the best treatment and come back healthy.

speeking from experience w back issues (and surgery), all doctors will try this route first w the back b/c once you have surgery, you never heal 100% in the back. especially b/c gallo is so young - there is a much better % that discs can heal themselves the younger you are. however, being that he is over 6 ft and 200 lbs, that doesnt fare well for his back either. tough situation for him to go through so young.

Agreed. But do you think playing professional basketball was a suitable treatment in lieu of surgery?

Posted by BRIGGS:

All you want is for the kid to get better. It's not fair that he has to go through this at his age.
I would have rather had some different guys but surely he is no bust with that jumpshot and maybe his mobility will return with his back at 100%

I think that's fair. Not a whole lot you can do at this point. The hope is now that an offseason will help him heal and that he will be able to perform at his potential. But for me nothing has changed since the summer when his back was revealed to be a problem. It was a concern then, it was a concern when he was playing and it's still a concern now. Let's hope he heals up and hope that the Knicks do the right thing in terms of their handling of him.

As for the draft. Drafting is not an exact science, we all know that. Briggs, you yourself have admitted to be down on a player in October, only to be high on them in March. Scouting works the same way. You are never going to be 100% with your drafting. My hope is that the team picks a player with talent and then develops that talent. I do think they picked a player with talent and potential. So far they have not handled him well.

As for the press conferences and all that. Don't hold your breath waiting for a coach to tell you the truth. I know some people on the site really, really, really want that. But I'm telling you, it ain't going to happen.

isles, i am one with the almighty. therefore i make fun of everyone equally. it's a trait i've perfected over the years. well, almost perfected, i still don't know what to say about folks from new zealand.

i think it's best to forget gallinari was ever drafted and move on. if he comes back and helps, then good for the knicks. if he doesn't, just chalk it up to another pick isiah traded for curry.

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by jimimou:

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by buddapaw:

Knicks crack medical staff strikes again. Boy do they suck or what

Gallo has seen a bunch of different doctors. All of them have been specialists and NONE have suggested surgery! They said try rest and therapy first. He hasn't gotten better and instead it's flaired up again, so maybe the diagnosis will be different. He hasn't been getting advice only from Knick team doctors.

I just want the kid to get the best treatment and come back healthy.

speeking from experience w back issues (and surgery), all doctors will try this route first w the back b/c once you have surgery, you never heal 100% in the back. especially b/c gallo is so young - there is a much better % that discs can heal themselves the younger you are. however, being that he is over 6 ft and 200 lbs, that doesnt fare well for his back either. tough situation for him to go through so young.

Agreed. But do you think playing professional basketball was a suitable treatment in lieu of surgery?

rhetorical question - i think after 6 mos if you arent feeling better and you've tried every alternative, then get the surgery. if his rehab regimen included anything other than applying heat to the area for 10-15 minutes first, then LIGHT stretching for 10-20 mintues next, then ice and electro stim for 10-15 minutes last then he did too much.