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islesfan
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3/12/2009  7:18 PM
Nate is a one dimensional loser. Like crawford and hughes. The knicks will be much better without him.

What was the knicks record during Nate's recent scoring binge?
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3/12/2009  7:26 PM
Nate has been our most productive player since the all star break.
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3/12/2009  7:29 PM
Posted by lumbardar:

Nate has been our most productive player since the all star break.

that is what the crux of the problem is for this team... we need better players than Nate if we wanna be something more than a lottery team.
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3/12/2009  8:23 PM
So the question is do we throw out our "best player" and keep the rest of the scrubs we do have and hope we can play mix and match and put together a winning squad? What if Gallo doesn't work out or doesn't become a player that "better" players want to play with? What if David is not the player that would convince a star player to come to NY and win that elusive or additional championship?

I do know one thing. More of the elite players would rather have Nate on their squad than Lee, Gallo or anyone else on this team at this point.

All you have to see is the opposing teams putting their best defenders on Nate and then see all the hugs he gets after the game from the opposing team. You can see he is winning his due respect around the league. Now if he earns the respect of his hometown fans slower than the actual players that he plays against that's cool to. As someone said earlier, he is a good player but maybe he is just not for this team.


I can buy that.



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I do know one thing. More of the elite players would rather have Nate on their squad than Lee, Gallo or anyone else on this team at this point.

because u see him shaking hands w/guys after games means they wanna play with him? says who?

ain't nobody disrespecting Nate or downplaying his talent here... the problem being discussed is not Nate... it's the way this team is currently constructed.
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3/12/2009  8:43 PM
Posted by islesfan:

Nate is a one dimensional loser.

I quess if anyone knows a thing or two about this it would be you.
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3/12/2009  8:57 PM
Posted by TMS:
I do know one thing. More of the elite players would rather have Nate on their squad than Lee, Gallo or anyone else on this team at this point.

because u see him shaking hands w/guys after games means they wanna play with him? says who?

ain't nobody but isles disrespecting Nate or downplaying his talent here... the problem being discussed is not Nate... it's the way this team is currently constructed.

sorry, i should've rephrased that last reply... fixed it.
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3/12/2009  9:16 PM
Posted by BigRedDog:
Posted by islesfan:

Nate is a one dimensional loser.

I quess if anyone knows a thing or two about this it would be you.

lol owned.
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3/12/2009  10:28 PM
Papabear Says

Nate sells tickets and can be a superstar. Now we want to trade him for untested draft choices and you know our record in lottery picks. Regarding D Lee and Nate they are the future of the Knicks and they are home grown.
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3/12/2009  10:39 PM
Nate is very good player but he is not a superstar. A superstar is Lebron,wafe,anthony, and etc.
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3/12/2009  10:46 PM
Posted by Papabear:

Papabear Says

Nate sells tickets and can be a superstar. Now we want to trade him for untested draft choices and you know our record in lottery picks. Regarding D Lee and Nate they are the future of the Knicks and they are home grown.


Most guy's on this board can't get their heads out of the draft, they would prefer to keep drafting player after player until we strike it rich. So they coming with every possible senerio to gain picks.

I would never build a draft around nate and lee. Neither as done nothing other then play well in lot a loses, I am happy as hell for them both, but until we start winning consistantly with them there just key pieces to the puzzle.
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3/12/2009  11:15 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by TMS:
I do know one thing. More of the elite players would rather have Nate on their squad than Lee, Gallo or anyone else on this team at this point.

because u see him shaking hands w/guys after games means they wanna play with him? says who?

ain't nobody but isles disrespecting Nate or downplaying his talent here... the problem being discussed is not Nate... it's the way this team is currently constructed.

sorry, i should've rephrased that last reply... fixed it.

Well TMS. Thanks for addressing and using only part of my post to make a lame point but it was cute...lol!

You funny!

Now in regards to what I am addressing in this thread, the name of this thread is "Nate is a Superstar".

Did you somehow miss that one?

You said that the crust of the problem is that Nate is our best player and we need better players than Nate. Ummmm Duh!! Don't we need better players than David Lee, Duhon, Gallo etc.... However, I am not one to think that we should let a young, tough, hard headed, scoring machine go so that we can hopefully get better players to play with lesser players. Especially since we need so many more things to go right in order to accomplish this goal of bringing a special player to NYC.

See TMS. I addressed the team construction issue you brought up and still included my man Nate in the equation.

You gotta be impressed now!!







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3/12/2009  11:33 PM
Posted by Martice:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by TMS:
I do know one thing. More of the elite players would rather have Nate on their squad than Lee, Gallo or anyone else on this team at this point.

because u see him shaking hands w/guys after games means they wanna play with him? says who?

ain't nobody but isles disrespecting Nate or downplaying his talent here... the problem being discussed is not Nate... it's the way this team is currently constructed.

sorry, i should've rephrased that last reply... fixed it.

Well TMS. Thanks for addressing and using only part of my post to make a lame point but it was cute...lol!

You funny!

Now in regards to what I am addressing in this thread, the name of this thread is "Nate is a Superstar".

Did you somehow miss that one?

You said that the crust of the problem is that Nate is our best player and we need better players than Nate. Ummmm Duh!! Don't we need better players than David Lee, Duhon, Gallo etc.... However, I am not one to think that we should let a young, tough, hard headed, scoring machine go so that we can hopefully get better players to play with lesser players. Especially since we need so many more things to go right in order to accomplish this goal of bringing a special player to NYC.

See TMS. I addressed the team construction issue you brought up and still included my man Nate in the equation.

You gotta be impressed now!!

the point was lame because yours was lame to begin with... how the hell do u know who superstars would rather play with or not? are u personal friends w/these guys? u got some inside sources u wanna share here? i don't get your assumptions is all.

u wanna get sarcastic with me, that's cool... just know u gonna get what u dish out when it comes to me... no crap it's an obvious point that we need better players than Nate, which is why it continually amazes me how posters like yourself consistently miss that point & decide that it's imperative that this franchise continue to build around players like Nate & D Lee when that formula has netted us nothing but 20 & 30 win type seasons... Nate is NOT a superstar... that's the freakin' point... get it now? good.

& no, i'm not impressed dude... u remind me too much of misterearl... his act's been done already... fine a new one.

[Edited by - TMS on 03-12-2009 8:45 PM]
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3/13/2009  8:29 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Martice:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by TMS:
I do know one thing. More of the elite players would rather have Nate on their squad than Lee, Gallo or anyone else on this team at this point.

because u see him shaking hands w/guys after games means they wanna play with him? says who?

ain't nobody but isles disrespecting Nate or downplaying his talent here... the problem being discussed is not Nate... it's the way this team is currently constructed.

sorry, i should've rephrased that last reply... fixed it.

Well TMS. Thanks for addressing and using only part of my post to make a lame point but it was cute...lol!

You funny!

Now in regards to what I am addressing in this thread, the name of this thread is "Nate is a Superstar".

Did you somehow miss that one?

You said that the crust of the problem is that Nate is our best player and we need better players than Nate. Ummmm Duh!! Don't we need better players than David Lee, Duhon, Gallo etc.... However, I am not one to think that we should let a young, tough, hard headed, scoring machine go so that we can hopefully get better players to play with lesser players. Especially since we need so many more things to go right in order to accomplish this goal of bringing a special player to NYC.

See TMS. I addressed the team construction issue you brought up and still included my man Nate in the equation.

You gotta be impressed now!!

the point was lame because yours was lame to begin with... how the hell do u know who superstars would rather play with or not? are u personal friends w/these guys? u got some inside sources u wanna share here? i don't get your assumptions is all.

u wanna get sarcastic with me, that's cool... just know u gonna get what u dish out when it comes to me... no crap it's an obvious point that we need better players than Nate, which is why it continually amazes me how posters like yourself consistently miss that point & decide that it's imperative that this franchise continue to build around players like Nate & D Lee when that formula has netted us nothing but 20 & 30 win type seasons... Nate is NOT a superstar... that's the freakin' point... get it now? good.

& no, i'm not impressed dude... u remind me too much of misterearl... his act's been done already... fine a new one.

[Edited by - TMS on 03-12-2009 8:45 PM]



WOW!!! Yo Dude. I thought it was all in fun. Sorry to rub you the wrong way man but hey, at least I know my boundaries with you now.

Now just to address your last basketball post. I never said it was imperative that we rebuild around Nate and David. In terms of Nate, I think we should do everything we can to keep him as long as the long term health of this franchise isn't setback because of it. Is he a central player to build around no but he is a player that you would like to have to accompany that central player. He has guts, heart and skill along with a few negatives but what player doesn't have negatives.

Speaking of 20& 30 wins since we've had Nate and David, I don't agree with your implying that these players should've done better despite what was going around this team at the time. In case you forgot let me refresh your memory. Let's take into account that they were on a team that was a total wreck. They had a coach that had horrible rotations and who's leadership what terrible, they were young and needed development, the locker room was a wreck, scandal was all over the place and to top it off, we had a very questionable roster to boot. For you to imply that despite all of what was going on around this team, Nate and David should've prospered and brought this franchise to a higher win total is mind boggling to say the least. In addition, so many people are happy with their overall production this year and I think that speaks to leadership, overall team stability and vision.

Speaking of Earl and our similarities, I also heard that I remind people of Will Smith. What tha?!?!!!!



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3/13/2009  12:02 PM
Posted by Martice:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Martice:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by TMS:
I do know one thing. More of the elite players would rather have Nate on their squad than Lee, Gallo or anyone else on this team at this point.

because u see him shaking hands w/guys after games means they wanna play with him? says who?

ain't nobody but isles disrespecting Nate or downplaying his talent here... the problem being discussed is not Nate... it's the way this team is currently constructed.

sorry, i should've rephrased that last reply... fixed it.

Well TMS. Thanks for addressing and using only part of my post to make a lame point but it was cute...lol!

You funny!

Now in regards to what I am addressing in this thread, the name of this thread is "Nate is a Superstar".

Did you somehow miss that one?

You said that the crust of the problem is that Nate is our best player and we need better players than Nate. Ummmm Duh!! Don't we need better players than David Lee, Duhon, Gallo etc.... However, I am not one to think that we should let a young, tough, hard headed, scoring machine go so that we can hopefully get better players to play with lesser players. Especially since we need so many more things to go right in order to accomplish this goal of bringing a special player to NYC.

See TMS. I addressed the team construction issue you brought up and still included my man Nate in the equation.

You gotta be impressed now!!

the point was lame because yours was lame to begin with... how the hell do u know who superstars would rather play with or not? are u personal friends w/these guys? u got some inside sources u wanna share here? i don't get your assumptions is all.

u wanna get sarcastic with me, that's cool... just know u gonna get what u dish out when it comes to me... no crap it's an obvious point that we need better players than Nate, which is why it continually amazes me how posters like yourself consistently miss that point & decide that it's imperative that this franchise continue to build around players like Nate & D Lee when that formula has netted us nothing but 20 & 30 win type seasons... Nate is NOT a superstar... that's the freakin' point... get it now? good.

& no, i'm not impressed dude... u remind me too much of misterearl... his act's been done already... fine a new one.

[Edited by - TMS on 03-12-2009 8:45 PM]



WOW!!! Yo Dude. I thought it was all in fun. Sorry to rub you the wrong way man but hey, at least I know my boundaries with you now.

Now just to address your last basketball post. I never said it was imperative that we rebuild around Nate and David. In terms of Nate, I think we should do everything we can to keep him as long as the long term health of this franchise isn't setback because of it. Is he a central player to build around no but he is a player that you would like to have to accompany that central player. He has guts, heart and skill along with a few negatives but what player doesn't have negatives.

Speaking of 20& 30 wins since we've had Nate and David, I don't agree with your implying that these players should've done better despite what was going around this team at the time. In case you forgot let me refresh your memory. Let's take into account that they were on a team that was a total wreck. They had a coach that had horrible rotations and who's leadership what terrible, they were young and needed development, the locker room was a wreck, scandal was all over the place and to top it off, we had a very questionable roster to boot. For you to imply that despite all of what was going on around this team, Nate and David should've prospered and brought this franchise to a higher win total is mind boggling to say the least. In addition, so many people are happy with their overall production this year and I think that speaks to leadership, overall team stability and vision.

Speaking of Earl and our similarities, I also heard that I remind people of Will Smith. What tha?!?!!!!



good points.

you can point out the development of lee and robinson over the last 4 years as a factor separate from the team’s record. countless issues with this franchise have accounted for the record.

you can support signing both of them without claiming that they will now "carry" the team. they can be strong contributors to a winning team, but they’re not going to be the whole team, and they're not going to be paid like they are either.
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3/13/2009  12:09 PM
SI says that Robinson might replace Duhon as the PG for the rest of the year.
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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3/13/2009  3:42 PM
Posted by Martice:

Speaking of 20& 30 wins since we've had Nate and David, I don't agree with your implying that these players should've done better despite what was going around this team at the time. In case you forgot let me refresh your memory. Let's take into account that they were on a team that was a total wreck. They had a coach that had horrible rotations and who's leadership what terrible, they were young and needed development, the locker room was a wreck, scandal was all over the place and to top it off, we had a very questionable roster to boot. For you to imply that despite all of what was going on around this team, Nate and David should've prospered and brought this franchise to a higher win total is mind boggling to say the least. In addition, so many people are happy with their overall production this year and I think that speaks to leadership, overall team stability and vision.

first of all i never implied that Lee & Nate were responsible for not getting us to be over 20 & 30 win type teams since they've been here... that's something u'r overanalyzing about my words.

once again, since u seem to be consistently missing this, the point is that despite the fact that we have 2 improving young players like Nate & Lee (who btw, i have been praising since they've been members of this team), we can't look at those 2 as guys we absolutely must hold onto... rather the focus needs to be on building a better team & if 1 or both of those 2 needs to be sacrificed in order to achieve that goal, then so be it... neither 1 of them are untouchables or irreplaceable type talent... neither 1 of them are superstars... we need superstars to win in this league... it's really very basic & obvious, like we talked about before.
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Thanks Fishy.....

Yo JohnWallace thanks for the long rant basically justifying the quote above.

Do you (johnwallace) even read the part about nate not having control of his emotions or the game yet?

I stand by what I said about Nate can stand toe to toe offensively with deron and chris paul, cuz its the truth.

Point guard skills no, but he needs to be groomed like anybody else. Nobody seems to want to. The Knicks would be making a huge mistake if they let the kid go.

Eny, look, I think Nate's highest value player on the team. He's also my favorite player to watch, my favorite since Sean Kemp was in his heyday with Seattle.

Those dark Knicks days where we were down 30 all the time and Nate, Lee, and Ariza/Balkman would bring us back... awesome... just incredible stretches to watch and completely invalidated Larry Brown's refusal to start them..

What I'm saying is that this franchise had better play him as a real PG the rest of the way out and a REAL PG, not Allen Iverson taking the entire game in his hands, and figure out if he can lead this team.

If you go into the offseason and Nate is still the guy who gets tech's every few games, and won't pass it to Gallo, Chandler or Al and would rather take it to the hole himself, then I'm telling you, you have to swallow hard and deal him. Otherwise, what difference does it make how talented he is?

He's a statement that will get people riled up, but tell me what the difference is between Nate right now and Zach. Zach puts up crazy numbers, Zach holds the ball too much, Zach doesn't win, he's supremely talented, heroic at times...

I can see Nate maturing at some point, but I wouldn't bet the ranch on it.

If we can get him to sign a cheap deal, we can trade him anyway, but any major deal for Nate or Lee you can't go near if you're the Knicks because of the cap situation. The right move to make is to try and deal both of them for picks. It just is. You can't get away from that.

I wanted to keep Nate and Dave prior to the trade deadline, or at least one. Problem is that all of those expiring deals are gone now, so that path is now closed to us. You have to completely rebuild starting with this draft, you get hopefully 3 first round picks and a second round pick out of it. You come out with a big, a PG and a shooting guard. You build them along with Gallo and Chandler next year. (you could trade for Melo at this point as an alternative) You sign the best available Max UFA in the Summer of 2010 and trade Chandler for more picks because he'll have to be resigned at the end of the year. You probably make it to the 2nd round of the playoffs that year. You get another bigtime free agent in 2011 and a Posey type glue player and you make a run at the title.

That's how Donnie wanted to do it when he got here. He didn't deviate from the plan at the deadline. That would have been the time to bail. At this point you can't let Nate or Lee distract from that plan.

Its not fun for a fan, not fun for me. I think its just the reality.
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3/13/2009  10:55 PM
Nate just does everything even on a off night.
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3/13/2009  11:36 PM
Posted by Vmart:

Nate just does everything even on a off night.

Because as Isles stated:
Nate is a one dimensional loser. Like crawford and hughes. The knicks will be much better without him.
What was the knicks record during Nate's recent scoring binge?
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