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3/11/2009  3:03 PM
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To me I would take BJ Muleens and I wouldnt even think about it. I understand that he is going to take some time to develop but I really like his athleticism and frame. In time he will be a very good offensive C in this league and can play and give some presence off the bench now. I think if you can get him at 8-9-10 I really believe it's a significant discount compared to where he might be drafted if he were to stay in school--become stronger and more of a focus. There are a bunch of gunslingers on that team--but the bottom line is Mullens lead the Big Ten in FG% averaging more than 10 points a game and playing just a tad over 20 minutes. It's a solid long term value pick--you cannot go wrong with the pick. Look how effortlessly he played in the MCD game--I think he went 8-9 playing with the best of talent for his age. Just looking at some of the things he can do athletically for his size--not many people have that. It might not be the fancy pick but it's the right pick for the team. I think with all of the money problems teams are having and our need to fill out some roster spots I think 1 or possibly 2 picks later in the round may be available to stock up on a nice guard or two. Lets get that post presence for the future and then work hard for the best G available--there will be good ones all the way down into the early to middle second round IMHO.


I like that mullens kid.. athletic, very fluid for his size, and has a frame that can easily take on another 25 pounds... Lets just cover all the bases... let say we make the playoffs, do you think this kid falls out of the lottery?

If he did fall out of the lottery, why would he come out? He's only a freshman.
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3/11/2009  3:13 PM
Anyone see this kid Larry Sanders?

They were just talking him up on WFAN
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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3/11/2009  3:16 PM
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=jerome%20jordan&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wv#

Here are some good videos of Tulsa's Jerome Jordan
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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3/11/2009  3:17 PM
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Anyone see this kid Larry Sanders?

They were just talking him up on WFAN

I've seen him a bunch since I've had my man-crush on Maynor.

Sanders is a VERY raw player. Offensively, he has no touch or anything, but his height and athleticism make him an intriguing prospect. Right now he scores nearly all his points very close to the basket on tip-ins and the such. His calling card right now is defense. He's very active but he's going to need to put on some weight if he wants to play like he does currently in the NBA because he will just get abused by the guys he guards since he's so scrawny.
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3/11/2009  3:38 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
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Anyone see this kid Larry Sanders?

They were just talking him up on WFAN

I've seen him a bunch since I've had my man-crush on Maynor.

Sanders is a VERY raw player. Offensively, he has no touch or anything, but his height and athleticism make him an intriguing prospect. Right now he scores nearly all his points very close to the basket on tip-ins and the such. His calling card right now is defense. He's very active but he's going to need to put on some weight if he wants to play like he does currently in the NBA because he will just get abused by the guys he guards since he's so scrawny.

That's a good read. Was the CAA Championship an anomaly or does he usually play like that? GMU's front court players could not even get a look at the basket because Sanders was blocking everything.

He looks like a cartoon with his 7'7" wingspan. When he raises his arms its like he's holding up a couple of brooms.

Guy's only been playing since his Jr year in high school, so he's got room to grow and he runs like a small forward.

If he was playing for the Knicks instead of Lee, what would we gain and what would we lose? He'd get banged around and probably foul out of some games. You'd probably just play him on the weak side and have someone like Al play on the other.

Just once, I want to see players like Jack, Mo Williams, also-rans like that, I'd like to see them take a second look before they go to the rim.
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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3/11/2009  3:38 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

To me I would take BJ Muleens and I wouldnt even think about it. I understand that he is going to take some time to develop but I really like his athleticism and frame. In time he will be a very good offensive C in this league and can play and give some presence off the bench now. I think if you can get him at 8-9-10 I really believe it's a significant discount compared to where he might be drafted if he were to stay in school--become stronger and more of a focus. There are a bunch of gunslingers on that team--but the bottom line is Mullens lead the Big Ten in FG% averaging more than 10 points a game and playing just a tad over 20 minutes. It's a solid long term value pick--you cannot go wrong with the pick. Look how effortlessly he played in the MCD game--I think he went 8-9 playing with the best of talent for his age. Just looking at some of the things he can do athletically for his size--not many people have that. It might not be the fancy pick but it's the right pick for the team. I think with all of the money problems teams are having and our need to fill out some roster spots I think 1 or possibly 2 picks later in the round may be available to stock up on a nice guard or two. Lets get that post presence for the future and then work hard for the best G available--there will be good ones all the way down into the early to middle second round IMHO.

We have a highly efficient center in Lee and it's only done some good, but not enough. How do you feel Mullens projects defensively, which is much more important? Thanks.
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3/11/2009  3:44 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Anyone see this kid Larry Sanders?

They were just talking him up on WFAN

I've seen him a bunch since I've had my man-crush on Maynor.

Sanders is a VERY raw player. Offensively, he has no touch or anything, but his height and athleticism make him an intriguing prospect. Right now he scores nearly all his points very close to the basket on tip-ins and the such. His calling card right now is defense. He's very active but he's going to need to put on some weight if he wants to play like he does currently in the NBA because he will just get abused by the guys he guards since he's so scrawny.

That's a good read. Was the CAA Championship an anomaly or does he usually play like that? GMU's front court players could not even get a look at the basket because Sanders was blocking everything.

He looks like a cartoon with his 7'7" wingspan. When he raises his arms its like he's holding up a couple of brooms.

Guy's only been playing since his Jr year in high school, so he's got room to grow and he runs like a small forward.

If he was playing for the Knicks instead of Lee, what would we gain and what would we lose? He'd get banged around and probably foul out of some games. You'd probably just play him on the weak side and have someone like Al play on the other.

Just once, I want to see players like Jack, Mo Williams, also-rans like that, I'd like to see them take a second look before they go to the rim.

Yeah Sanders wingspan is pretty insane lol. 7'7" is pretty ridiculous.

Sanders has been up and down all year, the George Mason game is a great example of what he's CAPABLE of, but can't always do because of his lack of strength and feel for the game. I remember earlier in the year he had a fantastic scoring game against Oklahoma and Blake Griffen.. but as I remember he didn't grab very many boards which is the problem with him. Anyone who is bigger than him (which is just about everyone) is going to shut him down with their strength. I do know for a fact that Sanders two best games this year came against Hampton and Delaware. So that should tell you all you need to know about him right now.

In the pro's he's going to be a JaVale McGee type player and to me is worth a look as a project type player. The biggest thing is strength.. if he can put it on, he will be a good player.
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3/11/2009  4:17 PM
Here's the comparison from that game

Blake Griffin
- 26 min - 5 for 8 - 7 reb - 1 ast - 0 blk - 4 pf - 18 pts
Larry Sanders
- 29 min - 6 for 8 - 4 reb - 1 ast - 3 blk - 5 pf - 16 pts


Warren
- 29 min - 3 for 7 - 0 reb - 2 ast - 0 stl - 2 to - 9 pts
Maynor
- 33 min - 5 for 18- 5 reb - 3 ast - 3 stl - 8 to - 15 pts
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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3/11/2009  4:23 PM
I wouldn't expect Sanders to create his own shot, just like I wouldn't with McGee. I would just want the guy to run the floor, defend and board.

The fact that he played Blake Griffin to a relative stalemate makes me feel even better about trying to get the guy late in the first round.

This was one of Maynor's worst games of his career, so don't get scared off. We'll see what he can do in the tourney.
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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3/11/2009  5:30 PM
Henderson wll be a good pro 2 and a good fit on the wings next to the ball dominating 1st options on this team
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3/11/2009  5:35 PM
Posted by 30andOverClub:
Posted by BRIGGS:

To me I would take BJ Muleens and I wouldnt even think about it. I understand that he is going to take some time to develop but I really like his athleticism and frame. In time he will be a very good offensive C in this league and can play and give some presence off the bench now. I think if you can get him at 8-9-10 I really believe it's a significant discount compared to where he might be drafted if he were to stay in school--become stronger and more of a focus. There are a bunch of gunslingers on that team--but the bottom line is Mullens lead the Big Ten in FG% averaging more than 10 points a game and playing just a tad over 20 minutes. It's a solid long term value pick--you cannot go wrong with the pick. Look how effortlessly he played in the MCD game--I think he went 8-9 playing with the best of talent for his age. Just looking at some of the things he can do athletically for his size--not many people have that. It might not be the fancy pick but it's the right pick for the team. I think with all of the money problems teams are having and our need to fill out some roster spots I think 1 or possibly 2 picks later in the round may be available to stock up on a nice guard or two. Lets get that post presence for the future and then work hard for the best G available--there will be good ones all the way down into the early to middle second round IMHO.

We have a highly efficient center in Lee and it's only done some good, but not enough. How do you feel Mullens projects defensively, which is much more important? Thanks.


Big difference is 7-1 275 and 6-9 240

I think that with good coaching BJ will be a very nice two way player. He won't be Hasheem on the D but that isnt necessary. We need someone who can man up and clog the lane--be a presence in the lane and at an athletic 7-1 he should be able to do that over time. You don't get many chances at this type of prospect

If you can touch the top end of the backboard you should be able to block a few shots and cause disruption. The way this guy effortlessly gets up at his size is rare.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 03-11-2009 5:38 PM]

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 03-11-2009 5:45 PM]
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3/11/2009  5:36 PM
Posted by McK1:

Henderson wll be a good pro 2 and a good fit on the wings next to the ball dominating 1st options on this team

He looks a little like Desmond Mason. He's a good athlete but I don't like his J.
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3/11/2009  6:25 PM
Briggs, we need to get DaJoka to produce a predraft show for the site.
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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3/13/2009  6:59 PM


Nice compilation of a lot of the dudes we've been talking about.
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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3/14/2009  3:08 PM
Watched the Memphis Tulsa game and wow... Tyreke Evans is a unique player.

If a team had Tyreke Evans at the point and LeBron on the wing... how could you possibly lose?

Dude is a TANK and he looks good to me moving the ball to the rest of the team.

My only thought with Evans, Holiday, and Warren is that MikeD will want a pure PG, but wow, this guy might be the exception if we had a shot at him.

Jordan looked OK. Still like him for the late first.
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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3/14/2009  4:08 PM
Blake Griffin
Ricky Rubio
Jordan Hill
James Harden
Brandon Jennings
Demar Derozan
Hasheem Thabeet
Jeff Teague
Craig Brackens
BJ Mullens
Chase Budinger
Stephen Curry
etc.

seems like a pretty deep draft if u ask me.
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3/14/2009  4:15 PM
TMS.. I am telling you that Chase Budinger is Brian Scalbarine part 2. Same conference, same style of play, same stats... I don't see Budinger having a better transition.
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3/14/2009  4:29 PM
we'll see... time is the only teller... i think he'll be a lot more Matt Harpring at his peak than Veal Scalabrine personally... i like his team oriented style of play.
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3/14/2009  5:58 PM
Posted by TMS:

Blake Griffin
Ricky Rubio
Jordan Hill
James Harden
Brandon Jennings
Demar Derozan
Hasheem Thabeet
Jeff Teague
Craig Brackens
BJ Mullens
Chase Budinger
Stephen Curry
etc.

seems like a pretty deep draft if u ask me.
I see 3 good pros there... Harden, Griffin and Curry. The rest are bench players if they make in the league.

If it allowed us to resign Nate and Lee this is one time I would dump the pick to move JJSkinny and Curry

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3/14/2009  6:01 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by TMS:

Blake Griffin
Ricky Rubio
Jordan Hill
James Harden
Brandon Jennings
Demar Derozan
Hasheem Thabeet
Jeff Teague
Craig Brackens
BJ Mullens
Chase Budinger
Stephen Curry
etc.

seems like a pretty deep draft if u ask me.
I see 3 good pros there... Harden, Griffin and Curry. The rest are bench players if they make in the league.

If it allowed us to resign Nate and Lee this is one time I would dump the pick to move JJSkinny and Curry

I disagree about Jennings, Derozen, Thabeet, Teague, Brackens being bench players. While I don't think Thabeet will be as productive as Briggs does in the NBA, I do think that he'll be a good defensive and starting player. Teague is going to be a solid combo-guard in the NBA and Jennings/DeRozan have star power potential.
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