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McK1
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3/7/2009  9:54 AM
why would don nelson want to get rid of Mr. April
the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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3/7/2009  9:58 AM
Nelson reminds me of a 4 year old child who geta toy--plays with it for 20 minutes and subsequently throws it into the fireplace after spotting the next gift wrapped box.

Either that or he wants his 12mm two years early
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3/7/2009  11:04 AM
Nellie was nutty when he was coaching the Knicks. He benched Starks for Hubert Davis and ran the offense through Mason instead of Ewing.
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3/7/2009  11:12 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Crawford gets word from Nelson
By Marcus Thompson II
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Posted: 03/06/2009 08:38:31 PM PST


AUBURN HILLS, Mich. — According to multiple team sources, Warriors coach Don Nelson told guard Jamal Crawford that if he doesn't opt out of his contract, Golden State would trade him this offseason.

This conversation, according the one of the sources, happened a day after the Warriors' loss at the Los Angeles Clippers on Feb. 23.

Crawford said he still has not decided whether he would opt out, maintaining his focus is on "helping us win some games and finish the season strong." He has two years and just shy of $20 million remaining on his contract after this season. But he has the option to terminate his contract after this season.

"I'm not even getting into that," Crawford said before Friday's game against the Detroit Pistons. "Any conversation I have with the coaches or my teammates will remain private."

In the same conversation, Nelson informed Crawford that he would give him some games off in part to keep his statistics high, and the plan to rest his other veterans emerged in part to avoid appearing as if he were singling out Crawford.

In the past, Nelson said he had no interest in general manager duties or increased personnel say. Team president Robert Rowell, who is on the road trip with the team, said Nelson's message to Crawford does not represent management. He qualified it as Nelson being emotional. Rowell did say he isn't upset that his coach is unhappy about the team's season and wants to change things.

That's nothing but an idle threat. There's no chance that Crawford opts out. No team will offer him $10M a year or more for the next 2 years due to the economy and teams preparing for 2010.

On another note, the Nelson-Mullin relationship should blow up nicely this summer.
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3/7/2009  11:45 AM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by djsunyc:
Crawford gets word from Nelson
By Marcus Thompson II
Staff writer
Posted: 03/06/2009 08:38:31 PM PST


AUBURN HILLS, Mich. — According to multiple team sources, Warriors coach Don Nelson told guard Jamal Crawford that if he doesn't opt out of his contract, Golden State would trade him this offseason.

This conversation, according the one of the sources, happened a day after the Warriors' loss at the Los Angeles Clippers on Feb. 23.

Crawford said he still has not decided whether he would opt out, maintaining his focus is on "helping us win some games and finish the season strong." He has two years and just shy of $20 million remaining on his contract after this season. But he has the option to terminate his contract after this season.

"I'm not even getting into that," Crawford said before Friday's game against the Detroit Pistons. "Any conversation I have with the coaches or my teammates will remain private."

In the same conversation, Nelson informed Crawford that he would give him some games off in part to keep his statistics high, and the plan to rest his other veterans emerged in part to avoid appearing as if he were singling out Crawford.

In the past, Nelson said he had no interest in general manager duties or increased personnel say. Team president Robert Rowell, who is on the road trip with the team, said Nelson's message to Crawford does not represent management. He qualified it as Nelson being emotional. Rowell did say he isn't upset that his coach is unhappy about the team's season and wants to change things.

That's nothing but an idle threat. There's no chance that Crawford opts out. No team will offer him $10M a year or more for the next 2 years due to the economy and teams preparing for 2010.

On another note, the Nelson-Mullin relationship should blow up nicely this summer.

I don't think the question is whether or not someone will offer Crawford 10 million a year. He knows the answer is NO and we all do. He is looking more for longer term security. He'll give in to less than 10 million a year, say 7 million and have it go to 5 years, or something like that. He is looking at it like 20 million guaranteed Vs. 35 or 40 million guaranteed. Business decision.

It's real clear Crawford is not what everyone saw him being in Chicago. The only chance for him is Larry Brown I hate to say.
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3/7/2009  12:21 PM
Posted by earthmansurfer:

I don't think the question is whether or not someone will offer Crawford 10 million a year. He knows the answer is NO and we all do. He is looking more for longer term security. He'll give in to less than 10 million a year, say 7 million and have it go to 5 years, or something like that. He is looking at it like 20 million guaranteed Vs. 35 or 40 million guaranteed. Business decision.

It's real clear Crawford is not what everyone saw him being in Chicago. The only chance for him is Larry Brown I hate to say.

I always like how mistakes are all-inclusive. Like the Bushies claiming that everyone thought Saddam had WMD's.

Your economic reasoning seems highly dubious.
2 years and $20M guaranteed, or possibly 5 years and $35/$40M.
When his current contract is up, Craw would only need to get a relatively minor/average 3 year $15/$20M to break even. And even that's really a loss, as it's always more valuable to get money upfront and sooner, rather than later. Think about it: he'd be giving up $6M upfront the next two years, or more than his final year salary in your scenario. He'd also be trying for a new contract during a horrible recession, which might be the D word by the time he's looking for a new contract. There's the distinct possibility that he only gets a short or average contract, especially after two crappy teams gave up on him in one season.

Craw is opting for $20M. Bank on it.
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3/7/2009  12:34 PM
Posted by BoDid:
Posted by earthmansurfer:

I don't think the question is whether or not someone will offer Crawford 10 million a year. He knows the answer is NO and we all do. He is looking more for longer term security. He'll give in to less than 10 million a year, say 7 million and have it go to 5 years, or something like that. He is looking at it like 20 million guaranteed Vs. 35 or 40 million guaranteed. Business decision.

It's real clear Crawford is not what everyone saw him being in Chicago. The only chance for him is Larry Brown I hate to say.

I always like how mistakes are all-inclusive. Like the Bushies claiming that everyone thought Saddam had WMD's.

Your economic reasoning seems highly dubious.
2 years and $20M guaranteed, or possibly 5 years and $35/$40M.
When his current contract is up, Craw would only need to get a relatively minor/average 3 year $15/$20M to break even. And even that's really a loss, as it's always more valuable to get money upfront and sooner, rather than later. Think about it: he'd be giving up $6M upfront the next two years, or more than his final year salary in your scenario. He'd also be trying for a new contract during a horrible recession, which might be the D word by the time he's looking for a new contract. There's the distinct possibility that he only gets a short or average contract, especially after two crappy teams gave up on him in one season.

Craw is opting for $20M. Bank on it.

I don't agree with Crawford opting out as the money isn't there, therefor I thought he is just looking for a longer deal. You are correct, it is dubious, but we are talking millions (an extra 15 to 20 million for 3 more years of work) and is falling out of favor quickly with his third team now. The only way I can see him opting out is if he has a deal on the table and I don't think that is allowed. I actually saw the contract issue as I just said here mentioned on the "other Knicks" board...

It does make the Harrington deal all the more better, eh? (Considering his play of course).
Anyway, Nelson does seem to be either losing it or just seeing through all the prima donna's, though I think hitting the bottle has gotten the better of him and his patience has been lost with it.

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3/12/2009  8:03 AM
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"I've always been very open and honest with my players and I did tell him he probably would either opt out or we would move him next year," Nelson said Wednesday, two days after refusing to go into specifics.

"That's a fact and I just don't see that that's going to work. I'm loaded in the backcourt. If I'm going to move (Stephen) Jackson into the backcourt now, I'm really overloaded. I think he's too good a player to be a 10- or 15-minute player, as a backup player."

Wow.
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3/12/2009  1:53 PM
If I were Craw, I'd want a buyout. He's not the best player in the league, but he plays hard and does well and he didn't ask the Warriors to trade for him. They knew who he was before they made that deal.

Regarding the statement that if he doesn't opt out, GS will move him - let them try. They aren't going to be able to - not unless they sweeten the deal.
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3/12/2009  9:29 PM
Mullen's getting outsted according to RealGM
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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3/16/2009  11:39 PM
More Warriors craziness.

RealGM says that the Warriors are considering using their early termination option on Monta Ellis' contract.
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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3/17/2009  12:19 AM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

More Warriors craziness.

RealGM says that the Warriors are considering using their early termination option on Monta Ellis' contract.

This was rumored before he even came back.
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3/17/2009  12:55 AM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

More Warriors craziness.

RealGM says that the Warriors are considering using their early termination option on Monta Ellis' contract.

Imagine this....

Trade Lee/Nate for Carmelo.

Sign Monta Ellis.

Sign Steve Nash to MLE.

Nash/Ellis/Chandler/Melo/Wilcox
6th man: Harrington
bench: Hughes/Gallo/draft pick

Nasty for MikeD
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3/17/2009  1:02 AM
Trade Lee/Nate for Carmelo.

we'll need to give up more than that for Melo... probably have to throw in our lottery pick also at the very least or Wilson Chandler.

& how u gonna sign Ellis? we're capped out next season caca doody.

[Edited by - TMS on 03-16-2009 10:03 PM]
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3/17/2009  1:03 AM
Can one of you cap wizards tell me if that were our team what our salary situation would like in 2010?

Figure you get Monta for 5yr/50 and Nash 3yr/21mill
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3/17/2009  1:03 AM
Posted by TMS:
Trade Lee/Nate for Carmelo.

we'll need to give up more than that for Melo... probably have to throw in our lottery pick also at the very least or Wilson Chandler.

& how u gonna sign Ellis? we're capped out next season caca doody.

[Edited by - TMS on 03-16-2009 10:03 PM]

I'll gladly throw in the lotto pick if we are adding Melo to Nash and Ellis.
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3/17/2009  1:09 AM
i'd rather try & trade Lee & Harrington for Bosh or Amare, trade Nate to try & move up in the lottery & draft Derozan & sign Nash to the MLE... that's a nice potential big 3 in a year's time... combined w/Chandler at the 3 & Hughes as my 6th man w/Gallo, Q & Fishlips rounding out the rotation, that's a playoff contender for sure next season... then u still have Hughes & Q's expirings & some young assets to work trades with if u have to later on.
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3/17/2009  1:11 AM
Posted by TMS:

i'd rather try & trade Lee & Harrington for Bosh or Amare, trade Nate to try & move up in the lottery & draft Derozan & sign Nash to the MLE... that's a nice potential big 3 in a year's time... combined w/Chandler at the 3 & Hughes as my 6th man w/Gallo, Q & Fishlips rounding out the rotation, that's a playoff contender for sure next season... then u still have Hughes & Q's expirings & some young assets to work trades with if u have to later on.

Well what I was trying to figure out is how much (if) we'd be under the cap after next year when Harrington/Hughes expire that we could add Bosh to the Nash/Ellis/Chandler/Melo team.
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3/17/2009  1:16 AM
we wouldn't have the cap space to sign a max player in 2010 if you went w/ur scenario & had Melo's max contract along w/Ellis & Nash on the books longterm even if we dumped Curry & Fishlips' contracts... u'd still have Chandler & Gallo on the books & would need to fill all the other roster spots too w/live bodies... basically u'r replacing Lee & Nate w/Ellis & Nash in that scenario at around similar dollars total, & also adding Melo's max deal, so even if we somehow dumped Curry & Fishlips to compensate for Melo, u still have to clear another $18 mil or so to add another max player & a few more roster filler players.
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3/17/2009  1:23 AM
Posted by TMS:

we wouldn't have the cap space to sign a max player in 2010 if you went w/ur scenario & had Melo's max contract along w/Ellis & Nash on the books longterm even if we dumped Curry & Fishlips' contracts... u'd still have Chandler & Gallo on the books & would need to fill all the other roster spots too w/live bodies... basically u'r replacing Lee & Nate w/Ellis & Nash in that scenario at around similar dollars total, & also adding Melo's max deal, so even if we somehow dumped Curry & Fishlips to compensate for Melo, u still have to clear another $18 mil or so to add another max player & a few more roster filler players.

Ah, ok. I figured so.

Either my original scenario or the one you outlined would give us some pretty good basketball.
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