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Chris Wilcox- is a he a sleeper?
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nyk4ever
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2/20/2009  1:38 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by nyk4ever:
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he's an upgrade over Turd, for whatever that's worth... he's not horrible but don't expect this guy to make much of a difference... think Nazr Mohammed.

Disagree bro. This guy is better than Nazr. This offense fits what he does on the court. If he's given 30mpg I'm seeing 17ppg/11rpg

Yikes. That's an outlandish prediction. That's past sipping the kool aid... maybe chugging?

Seriously why don't we just wait and see. He's a decent player and this may be the right system for him, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. I think most people would be happy with him putting up 12 and 7.

Besides, the worst thing that could happen would be if Wilcox has a monster second half. Then we can't get him on the cheap if we truly decide we want to keep him.

We obviously are going to wait and see no matter what. None of us can do otherwise. In the meantime, we all can make predictions... you disagree. That's fine.
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2/20/2009  1:44 PM
Posted by VDesai:

I think its the right time and right place for Wilcox- even if you shave off a little more than 20% from his per 36 min averages which I posted on the first page, you come up with a little over 12 pts and 7 rebounds. I think Wilcox will average at least that much with the Knicks.

I think you're right about him fitting our offense. That's probably why we traded for him. One thing I like about both trades is that the players seem to fit a position of need and I think Wilcox will thrive in a running game.
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2/20/2009  1:44 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by TMS:

he's an upgrade over Turd, for whatever that's worth... he's not horrible but don't expect this guy to make much of a difference... think Nazr Mohammed.

Disagree bro. This guy is better than Nazr. This offense fits what he does on the court. If he's given 30mpg I'm seeing 17ppg/11rpg

Yikes. That's an outlandish prediction. That's past sipping the kool aid... maybe chugging?

Seriously why don't we just wait and see. He's a decent player and this may be the right system for him, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. I think most people would be happy with him putting up 12 and 7.

Besides, the worst thing that could happen would be if Wilcox has a monster second half. Then we can't get him on the cheap if we truly decide we want to keep him.

We obviously are going to wait and see no matter what. None of us can do otherwise. In the meantime, we all can make predictions... you disagree. That's fine.

Well it's just the matter that on this and other boards every time someone makes a monster prediction, they are way way off. Not a single monster prediction for a player has ever been even close that I've seen. Of course, this time could be different, but why set the bar so high that 99% of the outcomes will result in disappointment?

This simply reminds me of the 18 and 9 predictions for Balkman, the 16 and 9 predictions for Sweetney, the 20 and 10 predictions for Lampe, 28 ppg for Houston, etc etc...

[Edited by - solace on Feb 20 2009 1:45 PM]
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2/20/2009  1:47 PM
12 and 7 which I posted earlier seems fine- I arrived at that by taking his career per 36 minute average (which was around 15.5 and 9) and then discounted that by about 20%. I think its fairly realistic, but I'm pretty confident he will do better than that.
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2/20/2009  1:49 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by TMS:

he's an upgrade over Turd, for whatever that's worth... he's not horrible but don't expect this guy to make much of a difference... think Nazr Mohammed.

Disagree bro. This guy is better than Nazr. This offense fits what he does on the court. If he's given 30mpg I'm seeing 17ppg/11rpg

Yikes. That's an outlandish prediction. That's past sipping the kool aid... maybe chugging?

Seriously why don't we just wait and see. He's a decent player and this may be the right system for him, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. I think most people would be happy with him putting up 12 and 7.

Besides, the worst thing that could happen would be if Wilcox has a monster second half. Then we can't get him on the cheap if we truly decide we want to keep him.

We obviously are going to wait and see no matter what. None of us can do otherwise. In the meantime, we all can make predictions... you disagree. That's fine.

Well it's just the matter that on this and other boards every time someone makes a monster prediction, they are way way off. Not a single monster prediction for a player has ever been even close that I've seen. Of course, this time could be different, but why set the bar so high that 99% of the outcomes will result in disappointment?

This simply reminds me of the 18 and 9 predictions for Balkman, the 16 and 9 predictions for Sweetney, the 20 and 10 predictions for Lampe, 28 ppg for Houston, etc etc...

[Edited by - solace on Feb 20 2009 1:45 PM]

that's not entirely true... some of us thought Nate had at least a 17 & 5 player potential after his first season & he's very close to it now, & many thought Lee could be a legit starting double double guy when some posters said he'd be nothing but a backup PF role player
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2/20/2009  1:53 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by TMS:

he's an upgrade over Turd, for whatever that's worth... he's not horrible but don't expect this guy to make much of a difference... think Nazr Mohammed.

Disagree bro. This guy is better than Nazr. This offense fits what he does on the court. If he's given 30mpg I'm seeing 17ppg/11rpg

Yikes. That's an outlandish prediction. That's past sipping the kool aid... maybe chugging?

Seriously why don't we just wait and see. He's a decent player and this may be the right system for him, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. I think most people would be happy with him putting up 12 and 7.

Besides, the worst thing that could happen would be if Wilcox has a monster second half. Then we can't get him on the cheap if we truly decide we want to keep him.

We obviously are going to wait and see no matter what. None of us can do otherwise. In the meantime, we all can make predictions... you disagree. That's fine.

Well it's just the matter that on this and other boards every time someone makes a monster prediction, they are way way off. Not a single monster prediction for a player has ever been even close that I've seen. Of course, this time could be different, but why set the bar so high that 99% of the outcomes will result in disappointment?

This simply reminds me of the 18 and 9 predictions for Balkman, the 16 and 9 predictions for Sweetney, the 20 and 10 predictions for Lampe, 28 ppg for Houston, etc etc...

[Edited by - solace on Feb 20 2009 1:45 PM]

that's not entirely true... some of us thought Nate had at least a 17 & 5 player potential after his first season & he's very close to it now, & many thought Lee could be a legit starting double double guy when some posters said he'd be nothing but a backup PF role player

During the LB year I said that I thought Lee would be one of the best rebounders in the league in a few years. I was almost shot for saying that. Guess I was right.

During Sweetney's rookie year I said that Sweetney's style of play was very similar to Elton Brand. I was right on that too.


I'm right on a lot of things.
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2/20/2009  1:55 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by TMS:

he's an upgrade over Turd, for whatever that's worth... he's not horrible but don't expect this guy to make much of a difference... think Nazr Mohammed.

Disagree bro. This guy is better than Nazr. This offense fits what he does on the court. If he's given 30mpg I'm seeing 17ppg/11rpg

Yikes. That's an outlandish prediction. That's past sipping the kool aid... maybe chugging?

Seriously why don't we just wait and see. He's a decent player and this may be the right system for him, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. I think most people would be happy with him putting up 12 and 7.

Besides, the worst thing that could happen would be if Wilcox has a monster second half. Then we can't get him on the cheap if we truly decide we want to keep him.

We obviously are going to wait and see no matter what. None of us can do otherwise. In the meantime, we all can make predictions... you disagree. That's fine.

Well it's just the matter that on this and other boards every time someone makes a monster prediction, they are way way off. Not a single monster prediction for a player has ever been even close that I've seen. Of course, this time could be different, but why set the bar so high that 99% of the outcomes will result in disappointment?

This simply reminds me of the 18 and 9 predictions for Balkman, the 16 and 9 predictions for Sweetney, the 20 and 10 predictions for Lampe, 28 ppg for Houston, etc etc...

[Edited by - solace on Feb 20 2009 1:45 PM]

that's not entirely true... some of us thought Nate had at least a 17 & 5 player potential after his first season & he's very close to it now, & many thought Lee could be a legit starting double double guy when some posters said he'd be nothing but a backup PF role player

I'll give you Nate. I never felt the Lee prediction was outlandish because there was supporting evidence to back up the claim that if he could the minutes, he would produce -- but that's perhaps just my own impression.
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2/20/2009  1:56 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by TMS:

he's an upgrade over Turd, for whatever that's worth... he's not horrible but don't expect this guy to make much of a difference... think Nazr Mohammed.

Disagree bro. This guy is better than Nazr. This offense fits what he does on the court. If he's given 30mpg I'm seeing 17ppg/11rpg

Yikes. That's an outlandish prediction. That's past sipping the kool aid... maybe chugging?

Seriously why don't we just wait and see. He's a decent player and this may be the right system for him, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. I think most people would be happy with him putting up 12 and 7.

Besides, the worst thing that could happen would be if Wilcox has a monster second half. Then we can't get him on the cheap if we truly decide we want to keep him.

We obviously are going to wait and see no matter what. None of us can do otherwise. In the meantime, we all can make predictions... you disagree. That's fine.

Well it's just the matter that on this and other boards every time someone makes a monster prediction, they are way way off. Not a single monster prediction for a player has ever been even close that I've seen. Of course, this time could be different, but why set the bar so high that 99% of the outcomes will result in disappointment?

This simply reminds me of the 18 and 9 predictions for Balkman, the 16 and 9 predictions for Sweetney, the 20 and 10 predictions for Lampe, 28 ppg for Houston, etc etc...

[Edited by - solace on Feb 20 2009 1:45 PM]

that's not entirely true... some of us thought Nate had at least a 17 & 5 player potential after his first season & he's very close to it now, & many thought Lee could be a legit starting double double guy when some posters said he'd be nothing but a backup PF role player

During the LB year I said that I thought Lee would be one of the best rebounders in the league in a few years. I was almost shot for saying that. Guess I was right.

During Sweetney's rookie year I said that Sweetney's style of play was very similar to Elton Brand. I was right on that too.


I'm right on a lot of things.

u certainly have been dead on about Sweetney. i dunno why i haven't acknowledged it til now... u da man bro... u da man!


btw, when my prediction about Wilson Chandler turning into a Caron Butler type SF in this game comes true my prediction about Balkman will vindicated.
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2/20/2009  1:57 PM
What was your Balkman prediction?
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2/20/2009  1:58 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by TMS:

he's an upgrade over Turd, for whatever that's worth... he's not horrible but don't expect this guy to make much of a difference... think Nazr Mohammed.

Disagree bro. This guy is better than Nazr. This offense fits what he does on the court. If he's given 30mpg I'm seeing 17ppg/11rpg

Yikes. That's an outlandish prediction. That's past sipping the kool aid... maybe chugging?

Seriously why don't we just wait and see. He's a decent player and this may be the right system for him, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. I think most people would be happy with him putting up 12 and 7.

Besides, the worst thing that could happen would be if Wilcox has a monster second half. Then we can't get him on the cheap if we truly decide we want to keep him.

We obviously are going to wait and see no matter what. None of us can do otherwise. In the meantime, we all can make predictions... you disagree. That's fine.

Well it's just the matter that on this and other boards every time someone makes a monster prediction, they are way way off. Not a single monster prediction for a player has ever been even close that I've seen. Of course, this time could be different, but why set the bar so high that 99% of the outcomes will result in disappointment?

This simply reminds me of the 18 and 9 predictions for Balkman, the 16 and 9 predictions for Sweetney, the 20 and 10 predictions for Lampe, 28 ppg for Houston, etc etc...

[Edited by - solace on Feb 20 2009 1:45 PM]

that's not entirely true... some of us thought Nate had at least a 17 & 5 player potential after his first season & he's very close to it now, & many thought Lee could be a legit starting double double guy when some posters said he'd be nothing but a backup PF role player

During the LB year I said that I thought Lee would be one of the best rebounders in the league in a few years. I was almost shot for saying that. Guess I was right.

During Sweetney's rookie year I said that Sweetney's style of play was very similar to Elton Brand. I was right on that too.


I'm right on a lot of things.

u certainly have been dead on about Sweetney. i dunno why i haven't acknowledged it til now... u da man bro... u da man!


btw, when my prediction about Wilson Chandler turning into a Caron Butler type SF in this game comes true my prediction about Balkman will vindicated.

You will never live down the Balkman prediction.
Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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2/20/2009  1:59 PM
What the he-ll was his Balkman prediction. I NEED TO KNOW!!
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2/20/2009  1:59 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

What was your Balkman prediction?

TMS predicted 35 ppg, 18 rebs, 7 blocks, 4 steals and 100% FG, if I'm not mistaken.
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2/20/2009  1:59 PM
Actually I don't really need to know. I'm just trying to add to my post count, on my drive to 100 posts
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2/20/2009  2:00 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

Actually I don't really need to know. I'm just trying to add to my post count, on my drive to 100 posts

LOL! Bip you are one funny dude.
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2/20/2009  2:00 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

Actually I don't really need to know. I'm just trying to add to my post count, on my drive to 100 posts

LOL! Bip you are one funny dude.
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2/20/2009  2:01 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by Bippity10:

What was your Balkman prediction?

TMS predicted 35 ppg, 18 rebs, 7 blocks, 4 steals and 100% FG, if I'm not mistaken.

he's still got time... Knick fans are so impatient.
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2/20/2009  2:04 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by Bippity10:

What was your Balkman prediction?

TMS predicted 35 ppg, 18 rebs, 7 blocks, 4 steals and 100% FG, if I'm not mistaken.

he's still got time... Knick fans are so impatient.

I agree. If you add up all of his seasons, after a while, he will achieve most of those.
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2/20/2009  2:08 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by Bippity10:

What was your Balkman prediction?

TMS predicted 35 ppg, 18 rebs, 7 blocks, 4 steals and 100% FG, if I'm not mistaken.

he's still got time... Knick fans are so impatient.

I agree. If you add up all of his seasons, after a while, he will achieve most of those.

see? i was right all along... recognize.
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