Posted by BlueSeats:

Yeah, Gall, what is the exact recipe for failure that you demand?

Walsh and D'Antoni have already traded or banished our four largest contracts and leading scorers (Marbury, Crawford, Eddy and Zach). What else do you require, that D" coaches the team on how to lose ("okay guys, remember to get an 8 sec violation or dribble the ball off your foot") or that Walsh trades producers with short contracts like Lee, Chandler, Harrington and Duhon, for garbage?

We're already fielding a team of 6th, 7th and 8th men, is that to good for your demands? Should we shut down Lee and Chandler and stunt their development so that we can feature Robeson and Malik? Is that your recipe for failure, or success, or whatever it is you're really out for?

Face it Gall, there is nothing the Knicks can do to satisfy you. You're not here to be satisfied, you're only here to be galled.

It's funny how posters like you had all this input on the exact recipe I SAY UGH could have followed to not doom/do himself in but if you apply similar reasoning to the untouchable pieces of Teflon that's a No No! I've heard statements echoed on this board in the past stating we should follow San Antonio or Detroit as a recipe model to follow very rarely if ever refuted. So I guess we'll invent our own methodology to success.

Once again look at the teams who are contenders and tell me how many players on these teams were picked in the Top 10 in the draft, then tell me how many of them were picked in the Top 5. Yes we have Gallo but he isn't what I would call franchise talent and every GM is warranted a mulligan. We have another chance to strike. The more opportunities you land in the Top 10 the greater your chances increase at successful longevity. I'm hoping we achieve the absolute best possible draft position we can get and our GM and I guess I SAY UGH(depending on how well one thinks he's responsible for having an eye for talent) makes a home run pick like he did with Reggie Miller. This reverse psycho Bull Ish doesn't work anymore Blue. If that's not good enough for you go weave Wicker Baskets or do Chinese Crosswords Puzzles or something.



[Edited by - GallOfFame on 02-10-2009 6:57 PM]

We have Curry. He was picked top 5. Does that mean we're on our way?

Posted by GallOfFame:

Posted by BlueSeats:

Yeah, Gall, what is the exact recipe for failure that you demand?

Walsh and D'Antoni have already traded or banished our four largest contracts and leading scorers (Marbury, Crawford, Eddy and Zach). What else do you require, that D" coaches the team on how to lose ("okay guys, remember to get an 8 sec violation or dribble the ball off your foot") or that Walsh trades producers with short contracts like Lee, Chandler, Harrington and Duhon, for garbage?

We're already fielding a team of 6th, 7th and 8th men, is that to good for your demands? Should we shut down Lee and Chandler and stunt their development so that we can feature Robeson and Malik? Is that your recipe for failure, or success, or whatever it is you're really out for?

Face it Gall, there is nothing the Knicks can do to satisfy you. You're not here to be satisfied, you're only here to be galled.

It's funny how posters like you had all this input on the exact recipe I SAY UGH could have followed to not doom/do himself in but if you apply similar reasoning to the untouchable pieces of Teflon that's a No No! I've heard statements echoed on this board in the past stating we should follow San Antonio or Detroit as a recipe model to follow very rarely if ever refuted. So I guess we'll invent out our methodology to success.

Once again look at the teams who are contenders and tell me how many players on these teams were picked in the Top 10 in the draft, then tell me how many of them were picked in the Top 5. Yes we have Gallo but he isn't what I would call franchise talent and every GM is warranted a mulligan. We have another chance to strike. The more opportunities you land in the Top 10 the greater your chances increase at successful longevity. I'm hoping we achieve the absolute best possible draft position we can get and our GM and I guess I SAY UGH(depending on how well one thinks he's responsible for having an eye for talent) makes a home run pick like he did with Reggie Miller. This reverse psycho Bull Ish doesn't work anymore Blue. If that's not good enough for you go weave Wicker Baskets or do Chinese Crosswords Puzzles or something.

[Edited by - GallOfFame on 02-10-2009 6:34 PM]

Dude, don't confuse Isiah the GM with D'Antoni the coach. To carry over the same complaints to lay them on a new regeim's doorstep doesn't make sense. Walsh has already made the moves I demanded of Isiah: he banished the losers and dumped all the long term salaries that he could. Management acquiesced to our demands, so why are you still carrying a torch? Isiah was an idiot, he did everything ass backwards, but that doesn't apply to Walsh, they are not the same GM, why are you pretending they are?

There was a poll a couple of weeks ago asking what would we prefer, to make the playoffs or get a high draft pick. I voted to get a high draft pick - that is what I'd prefer. But there's only so many steps one can realistically take to get us there. The GM has dumped our 4 highest scorers. What more do you expect of him and the coach? be specific.

If you asked me what I wanted from Isiah do you think I'd need to dodge and stonewall like you are doing?

And I said nothing here about Chicago. I don't care where you're from, you're FOS if you came from Brooklyn. But according to your own story you bailed on Chi the very first year Michael that Micheal left and they began their rebuild. If you couldn't deal with a rebuild for your lifelong team why should we think you could for the team you adopted?

Dude, it's not that you were a Bulls fan, and it's not that I resent having my name attached to your racist and obnoxious comments - it's that I don't think you are about the Knicks in the way you think you are. I think you've simply become addicted to being contrarian, and you've lost any sense of wit, wisdom and perspective. You're not about the Knicks, you're about feeding your addiction.

Now stop crying about it and answer the questions. What is it you desire D and W to actually do?

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by GallOfFame:

Posted by BlueSeats:

Yeah, Gall, what is the exact recipe for failure that you demand?

Walsh and D'Antoni have already traded or banished our four largest contracts and leading scorers (Marbury, Crawford, Eddy and Zach). What else do you require, that D" coaches the team on how to lose ("okay guys, remember to get an 8 sec violation or dribble the ball off your foot") or that Walsh trades producers with short contracts like Lee, Chandler, Harrington and Duhon, for garbage?

We're already fielding a team of 6th, 7th and 8th men, is that to good for your demands? Should we shut down Lee and Chandler and stunt their development so that we can feature Robeson and Malik? Is that your recipe for failure, or success, or whatever it is you're really out for?

Face it Gall, there is nothing the Knicks can do to satisfy you. You're not here to be satisfied, you're only here to be galled.

It's funny how posters like you had all this input on the exact recipe I SAY UGH could have followed to not doom/do himself in but if you apply similar reasoning to the untouchable pieces of Teflon that's a No No! I've heard statements echoed on this board in the past stating we should follow San Antonio or Detroit as a recipe model to follow very rarely if ever refuted. So I guess we'll invent out our methodology to success.

Once again look at the teams who are contenders and tell me how many players on these teams were picked in the Top 10 in the draft, then tell me how many of them were picked in the Top 5. Yes we have Gallo but he isn't what I would call franchise talent and every GM is warranted a mulligan. We have another chance to strike. The more opportunities you land in the Top 10 the greater your chances increase at successful longevity. I'm hoping we achieve the absolute best possible draft position we can get and our GM and I guess I SAY UGH(depending on how well one thinks he's responsible for having an eye for talent) makes a home run pick like he did with Reggie Miller. This reverse psycho Bull Ish doesn't work anymore Blue. If that's not good enough for you go weave Wicker Baskets or do Chinese Crosswords Puzzles or something.

[Edited by - GallOfFame on 02-10-2009 6:34 PM]

Dude, don't confuse Isiah the GM with D'Antoni the coach. To carry over the same complaints to lay them on a new regeim's doorstep doesn't make sense. Walsh has already made the moves I demanded of Isiah: he banished the losers and dumped all the long term salaries that he could. Management acquiesced to our demands, so why are you still carrying a torch? Isiah was an idiot, he did everything ass backwards, but that doesn't apply to Walsh, they are not the same GM, why are you pretending they are?

There was a poll a couple of weeks ago asking what would we prefer, to make the playoffs or get a high draft pick. I voted to get a high draft pick - that is what I'd prefer. But there's only so many steps one can realistically take to get us there. The GM has dumped our 4 highest scorers. What more do you expect of him and the coach? be specific.

If you asked me what I wanted from Isiah do you think I'd need to dodge and stonewall like you are doing?

And I said nothing here about Chicago. I don't care where you're from, you're FOS if you came from Brooklyn. But according to your own story you bailed on Chi the very first year Michael that Micheal left and they began their rebuild. If you couldn't deal with a rebuild for your lifelong team why should we think you could for the team you adopted?

Dude, it's not that you were a Bulls fan, and it's not that I resent having my name attached to your racist and obnoxious comments - it's that I don't think you are about the Knicks in the way you think you are. I think you've simply become addicted to being contrarian, and you've lost any sense of wit, wisdom and perspective. You're not about the Knicks, you're about feeding your addiction.

Now stop crying about it and answer the questions. What is it you desire D and W to actually do?

Much like you were feeding your belly with the Marbury Saga. Until you get past the bolded part I'm not sure if you're going to be rational enough to hear the other side. Pretty pathetic you keep stooping to this level even after I've repeatedly requested let by gons be by gons. You're better than that.

Look it's real simple IMO Lee and Curry would have been gone a long time ago. Now would this have been a smart move? Undetermined! Obviously you deal them for whatever the highest value you can get. I'm positive we could get a draft pick or two(1rst and 2nd) and/or a serviceable/young player. Do I still want a deal like this to be made? Yes. Is it possible? Who knows now looking at Curry's situation.

Since we didn't make this move in the summer I would have integrated Curry into the system even if it meant he could only give 10min/gm playing out of shape. Dump him for whatever you can get preferably to a team that won't have any serious cap room in 2010. I would not have publicly lashed out at him in the media, not when we need to get rid of him more than ever. Our coach essentially did this as soon as camp started. A blanket statement in the media would have sufficed/been applied to the whole team.... being in game shape is a must in this system... look forward to seeing what each player can provide playing in it. The time to lash out at him was when he thought he was All That And A Tub Cheese Doodles. No worse than what we are dealing with now.

Marbury..... all for banishing him but that means a complete severing of the relationship. No going back to him because a trade was made, no playing mind games talking about playing him starter minutes when he hasn't played all yr. IMO he was in no way worth holding on until the draft. I would have requested all parties involved to meet to hash out a buyout in the summer because at this point he may have been more apt to do so considering he could have joined another club. I thought this Watermelon head should have been bout out 2yrs ago. We could have replaced his services with MLE money. That's past dealings but you get where I stand on him concerning a buyout.

I would have traded Zach in the summer for anything, literally anything. Preferably to a team under the cap and used his TE(whatever dollars left over) to sign FA on 1 or 2yr deals or kept it until this summer to be used in FA again if need be. I would have started with the draft to fill our greatest positions of needs(Center/Point guard). Start by trying trading up but if I had to trade down to get them that's fine as long as the trade is amicable in fairness or traded to get that player straight across without sacrificing the pick. Like Nate to Miami for their 2008 second rounder plus the better of their 2009 second rounders and drafted either Chalmers or Jordan(take your pick). I would have traded Crawford at the deadline this yr. I would assume at least 2 if not more of these 5-6 ideas would be very achievable. We'd have possibly just as competitive a roster as we do now with cheaper/younger assets to be properly groomed under the new system not having to work out too many of the horrific habits from the old regime. Although I feel the roster would be competitive they probably lose many games due to lack of experience and being over matched on most nights. Therefore end result means more losses in 2008-2009 great draft position come summer 2009. Depending on what we got from the above trades/moves hopefully it leaves with a little more umpff to scavenge the draft. Use the MLE, TE, makes trades to slightly improve the roster and win somewhere close to 35-40gms and hand over the pick to Utah.


2010 FA HELLO!

Posted by BlueSeats:

Yeah, Gall, what is the exact recipe for failure that you demand?

Walsh and D'Antoni have already traded or banished our four largest contracts and leading scorers (Marbury, Crawford, Eddy and Zach). What else do you require, that D" coaches the team on how to lose ("okay guys, remember to get an 8 sec violation or dribble the ball off your foot") or that Walsh trades producers with short contracts like Lee, Chandler, Harrington and Duhon, for garbage?

We're already fielding a team of 6th, 7th and 8th men, is that to good for your demands? Should we shut down Lee and Chandler and stunt their development so that we can feature Robeson and Malik? Is that your recipe for failure, or success, or whatever it is you're really out for?

Face it Gall, there is nothing the Knicks can do to satisfy you. You're not here to be satisfied, you're only here to be galled.

what is odd is that he scolds people who roots for wins, and win we lose he rushes to post articles to place blame on Dantoni... Dantoni wins, he loses, if dantoni loses, he loses.. LOL..

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by GallOfFame:

Posted by BlueSeats:

Yeah, Gall, what is the exact recipe for failure that you demand?

Walsh and D'Antoni have already traded or banished our four largest contracts and leading scorers (Marbury, Crawford, Eddy and Zach). What else do you require, that D" coaches the team on how to lose ("okay guys, remember to get an 8 sec violation or dribble the ball off your foot") or that Walsh trades producers with short contracts like Lee, Chandler, Harrington and Duhon, for garbage?

We're already fielding a team of 6th, 7th and 8th men, is that to good for your demands? Should we shut down Lee and Chandler and stunt their development so that we can feature Robeson and Malik? Is that your recipe for failure, or success, or whatever it is you're really out for?

Face it Gall, there is nothing the Knicks can do to satisfy you. You're not here to be satisfied, you're only here to be galled.

It's funny how posters like you had all this input on the exact recipe I SAY UGH could have followed to not doom/do himself in but if you apply similar reasoning to the untouchable pieces of Teflon that's a No No! I've heard statements echoed on this board in the past stating we should follow San Antonio or Detroit as a recipe model to follow very rarely if ever refuted. So I guess we'll invent out our methodology to success.

Once again look at the teams who are contenders and tell me how many players on these teams were picked in the Top 10 in the draft, then tell me how many of them were picked in the Top 5. Yes we have Gallo but he isn't what I would call franchise talent and every GM is warranted a mulligan. We have another chance to strike. The more opportunities you land in the Top 10 the greater your chances increase at successful longevity. I'm hoping we achieve the absolute best possible draft position we can get and our GM and I guess I SAY UGH(depending on how well one thinks he's responsible for having an eye for talent) makes a home run pick like he did with Reggie Miller. This reverse psycho Bull Ish doesn't work anymore Blue. If that's not good enough for you go weave Wicker Baskets or do Chinese Crosswords Puzzles or something.

[Edited by - GallOfFame on 02-10-2009 6:34 PM]

Dude, don't confuse Isiah the GM with D'Antoni the coach. To carry over the same complaints to lay them on a new regeim's doorstep doesn't make sense. Walsh has already made the moves I demanded of Isiah: he banished the losers and dumped all the long term salaries that he could. Management acquiesced to our demands, so why are you still carrying a torch? Isiah was an idiot, he did everything ass backwards, but that doesn't apply to Walsh, they are not the same GM, why are you pretending they are?

There was a poll a couple of weeks ago asking what would we prefer, to make the playoffs or get a high draft pick. I voted to get a high draft pick - that is what I'd prefer. But there's only so many steps one can realistically take to get us there. The GM has dumped our 4 highest scorers. What more do you expect of him and the coach? be specific.

If you asked me what I wanted from Isiah do you think I'd need to dodge and stonewall like you are doing?

And I said nothing here about Chicago. I don't care where you're from, you're FOS if you came from Brooklyn. But according to your own story you bailed on Chi the very first year Michael that Micheal left and they began their rebuild. If you couldn't deal with a rebuild for your lifelong team why should we think you could for the team you adopted?

Dude, it's not that you were a Bulls fan, and it's not that I resent having my name attached to your racist and obnoxious comments - it's that I don't think you are about the Knicks in the way you think you are. I think you've simply become addicted to being contrarian, and you've lost any sense of wit, wisdom and perspective. You're not about the Knicks, you're about feeding your addiction.
Now stop crying about it and answer the questions. What is it you desire D and W to actually do?

very well said, especially the bolded part. It is that very thing that takes a potentially good and enjoyable poster and makes him, one that can be very grinding on the nerves, and that is sad.. It doesn't have to be that way..



[Edited by - tkf on 10-02-2009 8:10 PM]

Posted by tkf:

Posted by BlueSeats:

Yeah, Gall, what is the exact recipe for failure that you demand?

Walsh and D'Antoni have already traded or banished our four largest contracts and leading scorers (Marbury, Crawford, Eddy and Zach). What else do you require, that D" coaches the team on how to lose ("okay guys, remember to get an 8 sec violation or dribble the ball off your foot") or that Walsh trades producers with short contracts like Lee, Chandler, Harrington and Duhon, for garbage?

We're already fielding a team of 6th, 7th and 8th men, is that to good for your demands? Should we shut down Lee and Chandler and stunt their development so that we can feature Robeson and Malik? Is that your recipe for failure, or success, or whatever it is you're really out for?

Face it Gall, there is nothing the Knicks can do to satisfy you. You're not here to be satisfied, you're only here to be galled.

what is odd is that he scolds people who roots for wins, and win we lose he rushes to post articles to place blame on Dantoni... Dantoni wins, he loses, if dantoni loses, he loses.. LOL..

I, for one, haven't made a big deal about any particular wins or losses this season but when you lose a game the way they did on Sunday, it's impossible not to. Antoni did such a bad job coaching at the end of the game, it had to be brought up for discussion. First, it was so blatantly obvious that he messed up by not ordering them to use the foul they had to give, but secondly it was a repeated mistake as Pharezone pointed out in the game thread.

This all goes to the old argument that Antoni isn't a very good coach at the end of close games, which is a big reason why his teams have underachieved in the playoffs. At the end of close games, his teams have difficulty playing half court offense and defense. That's a reflection of the head coach.

If all of that isn't pertinent to a Knicks message board and worthy of discussion, then what exactly is? And it has nothing to do with rooting for losses in order to maximize their 2009 draft pick. Next year, when they don't own their draft pick and can't maximize their draft position by losing games, if I, or anybody else, roots for them to lose a single game then it's fair game to call us out. But until then, it's absolutely reasonable for Knicks fans to be rooting for losses.

Posted by tkf:

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by GallOfFame:

Posted by BlueSeats:

Yeah, Gall, what is the exact recipe for failure that you demand?

Walsh and D'Antoni have already traded or banished our four largest contracts and leading scorers (Marbury, Crawford, Eddy and Zach). What else do you require, that D" coaches the team on how to lose ("okay guys, remember to get an 8 sec violation or dribble the ball off your foot") or that Walsh trades producers with short contracts like Lee, Chandler, Harrington and Duhon, for garbage?

We're already fielding a team of 6th, 7th and 8th men, is that to good for your demands? Should we shut down Lee and Chandler and stunt their development so that we can feature Robeson and Malik? Is that your recipe for failure, or success, or whatever it is you're really out for?

Face it Gall, there is nothing the Knicks can do to satisfy you. You're not here to be satisfied, you're only here to be galled.

It's funny how posters like you had all this input on the exact recipe I SAY UGH could have followed to not doom/do himself in but if you apply similar reasoning to the untouchable pieces of Teflon that's a No No! I've heard statements echoed on this board in the past stating we should follow San Antonio or Detroit as a recipe model to follow very rarely if ever refuted. So I guess we'll invent out our methodology to success.

Once again look at the teams who are contenders and tell me how many players on these teams were picked in the Top 10 in the draft, then tell me how many of them were picked in the Top 5. Yes we have Gallo but he isn't what I would call franchise talent and every GM is warranted a mulligan. We have another chance to strike. The more opportunities you land in the Top 10 the greater your chances increase at successful longevity. I'm hoping we achieve the absolute best possible draft position we can get and our GM and I guess I SAY UGH(depending on how well one thinks he's responsible for having an eye for talent) makes a home run pick like he did with Reggie Miller. This reverse psycho Bull Ish doesn't work anymore Blue. If that's not good enough for you go weave Wicker Baskets or do Chinese Crosswords Puzzles or something.

[Edited by - GallOfFame on 02-10-2009 6:34 PM]

Dude, don't confuse Isiah the GM with D'Antoni the coach. To carry over the same complaints to lay them on a new regeim's doorstep doesn't make sense. Walsh has already made the moves I demanded of Isiah: he banished the losers and dumped all the long term salaries that he could. Management acquiesced to our demands, so why are you still carrying a torch? Isiah was an idiot, he did everything ass backwards, but that doesn't apply to Walsh, they are not the same GM, why are you pretending they are?

There was a poll a couple of weeks ago asking what would we prefer, to make the playoffs or get a high draft pick. I voted to get a high draft pick - that is what I'd prefer. But there's only so many steps one can realistically take to get us there. The GM has dumped our 4 highest scorers. What more do you expect of him and the coach? be specific.

If you asked me what I wanted from Isiah do you think I'd need to dodge and stonewall like you are doing?

And I said nothing here about Chicago. I don't care where you're from, you're FOS if you came from Brooklyn. But according to your own story you bailed on Chi the very first year Michael that Micheal left and they began their rebuild. If you couldn't deal with a rebuild for your lifelong team why should we think you could for the team you adopted?

Dude, it's not that you were a Bulls fan, and it's not that I resent having my name attached to your racist and obnoxious comments - it's that I don't think you are about the Knicks in the way you think you are. I think you've simply become addicted to being contrarian, and you've lost any sense of wit, wisdom and perspective. You're not about the Knicks, you're about feeding your addiction.
Now stop crying about it and answer the questions. What is it you desire D and W to actually do?

very well said, especially the bolded part. It is that very thing that takes a potentially good and enjoyable poster and makes him, one that can be very grinding on the nerves, and that is sad.. It doesn't have to be that way..



[Edited by - tkf on 10-02-2009 8:10 PM]

If it were true but since it's a lie Shame on the both of you.

TKF the coach gets judged on his declaration of wins and losses and his statement this team will make the playoffs. If we don't he fails as a coach. Even he's stated this himself. He said the roster is better after the trades. He should prove it as a coach. Why you take offense to the critiquing is baffling. You can critique the coach yet still prefer losses. I root as a fan for our future... I critique as a critic on his performance, it's just that simple. IMO he's lost at least 4gms this season on coaching alone maybe more. Before the 4gm losing streak fans were talking about COY consideration and now afterward fans are crapping on the roster again. It's interesting to note Lee should be an All-Star according to the masses(this I can see being a valid and strong argument), Nate should be leading 6th MOY candidate, Pringles COY yet we're almost 10gms under .500, and 1/2gm back of the pace I SAY UGH set with the Evident Progress 2006-2007 season 22-28 on February 10th. Why does Pringles look so great this season?

I'm a solid poster regardless because if I had the other opinion I'd be you. I'm not you and you're not me. Just because we differ on solutions or desires doesn't elevate or demote a poster vs the next.

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by tkf:

Posted by BlueSeats:

Yeah, Gall, what is the exact recipe for failure that you demand?

Walsh and D'Antoni have already traded or banished our four largest contracts and leading scorers (Marbury, Crawford, Eddy and Zach). What else do you require, that D" coaches the team on how to lose ("okay guys, remember to get an 8 sec violation or dribble the ball off your foot") or that Walsh trades producers with short contracts like Lee, Chandler, Harrington and Duhon, for garbage?

We're already fielding a team of 6th, 7th and 8th men, is that to good for your demands? Should we shut down Lee and Chandler and stunt their development so that we can feature Robeson and Malik? Is that your recipe for failure, or success, or whatever it is you're really out for?

Face it Gall, there is nothing the Knicks can do to satisfy you. You're not here to be satisfied, you're only here to be galled.

what is odd is that he scolds people who roots for wins, and win we lose he rushes to post articles to place blame on Dantoni... Dantoni wins, he loses, if dantoni loses, he loses.. LOL..

I, for one, haven't made a big deal about any particular wins or losses this season but when you lose a game the way they did on Sunday, it's impossible not to. Antoni did such a bad job coaching at the end of the game, it had to be brought up for discussion. First, it was so blatantly obvious that he messed up by not ordering them to use the foul they had to give, but secondly it was a repeated mistake as Pharezone pointed out in the game thread.

This all goes to the old argument that Antoni isn't a very good coach at the end of close games, which is a big reason why his teams have underachieved in the playoffs. At the end of close games, his teams have difficulty playing half court offense and defense. That's a reflection of the head coach.

If all of that isn't pertinent to a Knicks message board and worthy of discussion, then what exactly is? And it has nothing to do with rooting for losses in order to maximize their 2009 draft pick. Next year, when they don't own their draft pick and can't maximize their draft position by losing games, if I, or anybody else, roots for them to lose a single game then it's fair game to call us out. But until then, it's absolutely reasonable for Knicks fans to be rooting for losses.

Take it a step further by wanting the team to lose in the lottery if they should happen to land there, or for the team to not get the best player in the draft at whatever position they're drafting from. That's a hater, that's someone who is wrapped up in being the Undercover Villain.

I was one who wanted our GM(wanted Kiki more) and told some fans to shut their trap for not going after Colangelo and West. Once again it doesn't mean I don't have the right to assess his performance thus far.

[Edited by - GallOfFame on 02-10-2009 9:02 PM]

Posted by GallOfFame:

Posted by tkf:

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by GallOfFame:

Posted by BlueSeats:

Yeah, Gall, what is the exact recipe for failure that you demand?

Walsh and D'Antoni have already traded or banished our four largest contracts and leading scorers (Marbury, Crawford, Eddy and Zach). What else do you require, that D" coaches the team on how to lose ("okay guys, remember to get an 8 sec violation or dribble the ball off your foot") or that Walsh trades producers with short contracts like Lee, Chandler, Harrington and Duhon, for garbage?

We're already fielding a team of 6th, 7th and 8th men, is that to good for your demands? Should we shut down Lee and Chandler and stunt their development so that we can feature Robeson and Malik? Is that your recipe for failure, or success, or whatever it is you're really out for?

Face it Gall, there is nothing the Knicks can do to satisfy you. You're not here to be satisfied, you're only here to be galled.

It's funny how posters like you had all this input on the exact recipe I SAY UGH could have followed to not doom/do himself in but if you apply similar reasoning to the untouchable pieces of Teflon that's a No No! I've heard statements echoed on this board in the past stating we should follow San Antonio or Detroit as a recipe model to follow very rarely if ever refuted. So I guess we'll invent out our methodology to success.

Once again look at the teams who are contenders and tell me how many players on these teams were picked in the Top 10 in the draft, then tell me how many of them were picked in the Top 5. Yes we have Gallo but he isn't what I would call franchise talent and every GM is warranted a mulligan. We have another chance to strike. The more opportunities you land in the Top 10 the greater your chances increase at successful longevity. I'm hoping we achieve the absolute best possible draft position we can get and our GM and I guess I SAY UGH(depending on how well one thinks he's responsible for having an eye for talent) makes a home run pick like he did with Reggie Miller. This reverse psycho Bull Ish doesn't work anymore Blue. If that's not good enough for you go weave Wicker Baskets or do Chinese Crosswords Puzzles or something.

[Edited by - GallOfFame on 02-10-2009 6:34 PM]

Dude, don't confuse Isiah the GM with D'Antoni the coach. To carry over the same complaints to lay them on a new regeim's doorstep doesn't make sense. Walsh has already made the moves I demanded of Isiah: he banished the losers and dumped all the long term salaries that he could. Management acquiesced to our demands, so why are you still carrying a torch? Isiah was an idiot, he did everything ass backwards, but that doesn't apply to Walsh, they are not the same GM, why are you pretending they are?

There was a poll a couple of weeks ago asking what would we prefer, to make the playoffs or get a high draft pick. I voted to get a high draft pick - that is what I'd prefer. But there's only so many steps one can realistically take to get us there. The GM has dumped our 4 highest scorers. What more do you expect of him and the coach? be specific.

If you asked me what I wanted from Isiah do you think I'd need to dodge and stonewall like you are doing?

And I said nothing here about Chicago. I don't care where you're from, you're FOS if you came from Brooklyn. But according to your own story you bailed on Chi the very first year Michael that Micheal left and they began their rebuild. If you couldn't deal with a rebuild for your lifelong team why should we think you could for the team you adopted?

Dude, it's not that you were a Bulls fan, and it's not that I resent having my name attached to your racist and obnoxious comments - it's that I don't think you are about the Knicks in the way you think you are. I think you've simply become addicted to being contrarian, and you've lost any sense of wit, wisdom and perspective. You're not about the Knicks, you're about feeding your addiction.
Now stop crying about it and answer the questions. What is it you desire D and W to actually do?

very well said, especially the bolded part. It is that very thing that takes a potentially good and enjoyable poster and makes him, one that can be very grinding on the nerves, and that is sad.. It doesn't have to be that way..



[Edited by - tkf on 10-02-2009 8:10 PM]

If it were true but since it's a lie Shame on the both of you.

TKF the coach gets judged on his declaration of wins and losses and his statement this team will make the playoffs. If we don't he fails as a coach. Even he's stated this himself. He said the roster is better after the trades. He should prove it as a coach. Why you take offense to the critiquing is baffling. You can critique the coach yet still prefer losses. I root as a fan for our future... I critique as a critic on his performance, it's just that simple. IMO he's lost at least 4gms this season on coaching alone maybe more. Before the 4gm losing streak fans were talking about COY consideration and now afterward fans are crapping on the roster again. It's interesting to note Lee should be an All-Star according to the masses(this I can see being a valid and strong argument), Nate should be leading 6th MOY candidate, Pringles COY yet we're almost 10gms under .500, and 1/2gm back of the pace I SAY UGH set with the Evident Progress 2006-2007 season 22-28 on February 10th. Why does Pringles look so great this season?

I'm a solid poster regardless because if I had the other opinion I'd be you. I'm not you and you're not me. Just because we differ on solutions or desires doesn't elevate or demote a poster vs the next.

unfortunately what you do is really not critiquing..... too bad you see it otherwise, but it isn't..... You go over the top and you go on crusades to make sure everyone hears you, it goes far beyond a critique... Everyone here pointed out Dantoni made a mistake, even the so called Dantoni lovers, but that is not enough for you, he has to be Danphony, he has to have an Isiah-esque agenda, he has to be tanking, he has to be conspiring with walsh... It is neverending and borderline childish, and anyone who just says , we don't agree with your sometimes over the top views, then we are dantoni lovers and he is beyond reproach.. really that kind of behavior is bush league gall, and you do that to try to get under posters skin who don't see things as you do.. I see this among other posters as well on the other site, I won't mention... Critiques can be met with opposition, doesn't mean the one's opposing are lovers, haters or feel that anyone is above reproach.....

Posted by GallOfFame:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by tkf:

Posted by BlueSeats:

Yeah, Gall, what is the exact recipe for failure that you demand?

Walsh and D'Antoni have already traded or banished our four largest contracts and leading scorers (Marbury, Crawford, Eddy and Zach). What else do you require, that D" coaches the team on how to lose ("okay guys, remember to get an 8 sec violation or dribble the ball off your foot") or that Walsh trades producers with short contracts like Lee, Chandler, Harrington and Duhon, for garbage?

We're already fielding a team of 6th, 7th and 8th men, is that to good for your demands? Should we shut down Lee and Chandler and stunt their development so that we can feature Robeson and Malik? Is that your recipe for failure, or success, or whatever it is you're really out for?

Face it Gall, there is nothing the Knicks can do to satisfy you. You're not here to be satisfied, you're only here to be galled.

what is odd is that he scolds people who roots for wins, and win we lose he rushes to post articles to place blame on Dantoni... Dantoni wins, he loses, if dantoni loses, he loses.. LOL..

I, for one, haven't made a big deal about any particular wins or losses this season but when you lose a game the way they did on Sunday, it's impossible not to. Antoni did such a bad job coaching at the end of the game, it had to be brought up for discussion. First, it was so blatantly obvious that he messed up by not ordering them to use the foul they had to give, but secondly it was a repeated mistake as Pharezone pointed out in the game thread.

This all goes to the old argument that Antoni isn't a very good coach at the end of close games, which is a big reason why his teams have underachieved in the playoffs. At the end of close games, his teams have difficulty playing half court offense and defense. That's a reflection of the head coach.

If all of that isn't pertinent to a Knicks message board and worthy of discussion, then what exactly is? And it has nothing to do with rooting for losses in order to maximize their 2009 draft pick. Next year, when they don't own their draft pick and can't maximize their draft position by losing games, if I, or anybody else, roots for them to lose a single game then it's fair game to call us out. But until then, it's absolutely reasonable for Knicks fans to be rooting for losses.

Take it a step further by wanting the team to lose in the lottery if they should happen to land there, or for the team to not get the best player in the draft at whatever position they're drafting from. That's a hater, that's someone who is wrapped up in being the Undercover Villain.

I was one who wanted our GM(wanted Kiki more) and told some fans to shut their trap for not going after Colangelo and West. Once again it doesn't mean I don't have the right to assess his performance thus far.

[Edited by - GallOfFame on 02-10-2009 9:02 PM]

so then why this thread? dantoni is doing a great job of tanking. isnt that what you want? or do you want him to come out and say I am tanking and then tank? both of you are not making sense.. If anything this game shows how great dantoni is, to make it really look like he was trying to win, when he is really trying to lose, right? So again, why the complaints? just goes to show, you are not interested in getting what you want.. blue seats pointed that out , and hit the nail right on the head in his post last week..