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TheGame
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2/8/2009  2:27 PM
Posted by islesfan:

What's the big deal? Why wasn't he playing back to backs in the first place, after the Knicks crack medical committee pronounced him 100%?

Is playing back to back going to prevent him from being soft on defense, invisible on offense and pretty much below average across the board other than having a nice shooting stroke when completely open?

The Knicks medical staff declaring you 100% means that you should start preparing your injury retirement papers.
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2/8/2009  2:31 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by Pharzeone:
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There are these internet annoying rumors are that the Knicks are trying to manage his playing time for his back and his psyche. Playing against bench guys. Not unusual with 1st year guys and normally done for European players going into the league. I think he is game to play against starting lineups, so I don't see the big deal. As far as his injury, I haven't heard anything but positives in that regard. If he is playing back to back games, I assuming that the disc has subsided and isn't a major problem. Don't know what the overly protective atttitude is all about. This organization already asked Lee to play with bone spurs while contemplating paying him $8-9 million a year. I think it is safe to say they aren't concern about long term investments as far as their players health. For pete's sake this organization asked their players to play extended minutes as they made trades and sat players for discpline reasons. That cat is out of the bag.

Jeffries does a little of everything but nothing well. I am not sure where you would use him but it shouldn't be in the starting lineup.

What is the recovery rate of bone spurs vs bad backs?

Lots of players get bone spurs healed with a simple off-season clean-out while many careers are derailed by bad backs.

Where do you guys draw the mine? Do you believe in rushing players back after microfracture surgery too? You really have to ask yourself, what is the point?

[Edited by - blueseats on 02-08-2009 1:10 PM]

Lee got his bone spurs at the beginning of the season and was asked to play more minutes once returned to the starting lineup. The bone spurs impact nerves if a person continues to do physical strenuous activities. I considered playing 35 minutes of basketball in a running system, strenuous. The head coach said he doesn't believe in fatigue, so as I say it is ridiculous to conclude that the organization is one that is overly concern about their players health. So far under this new regime from my viewpoint, the coach plays who he wants if they are active and cleared to play whether it be Lee with bone spurs, Chandler with a sprained knee, Harrington with a sprain leg, Duhon with his multiple injuries so far this season, Nate the same and even Jeffries who was hurried back and given minutes on back to back games. Hell the NBA denied a medical exception for the Knicks because basically they said the organization knew and acquired a guy with an exisiting heart condition. So as I said this is not a cautious organization when concerning health.

So what then is your point, that the kid is 100% and the reason he's not getting more time is because Walsh doesn't want us to know that he's not as good as Brooks Lopez?

You guys are killing me. The kid is a project with a bad back. First let him get healthy, then gradually increase his minutes. If he ends up sucking than you can pimp yourselves all you want, but what is the point in rushing the process?


Blueseats, there is no point. It is clear he has some sort of agenda or angle here. There is no other reason for him to use such foolish logic. Logic that goes way past the point of being ridiculous.. Honestly, you are wasting your time here..
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2/9/2009  11:22 AM
I've read this thread 3 times and I still have no idea what people are arguing over. Can someone summarize?
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2/9/2009  12:01 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

I've read this thread 3 times and I still have no idea what people are arguing over. Can someone summarize?

Do you remember that headline from years ago - "Jacko on his Backo"?
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2/9/2009  3:11 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:


There are these internet annoying rumors are that the Knicks are trying to manage his playing time for his back and his psy
So what then is your point, that the kid is 100% and the reason he's not getting more time is because Walsh doesn't want us to know that he's not as good as Brooks Lopez?

You guys are killing me. The kid is a project with a bad back. First let him get healthy, then gradually increase his minutes. If he ends up sucking than you can pimp yourselves all you want, but what is the point in rushing the process?

It's quite "American" for folks to want instant gratification or an instant answer, solution, confirmation, or affirmation of anything that they are concerned or have questions about.

Americans don't like waiting for an answer- especially if it might take a year or two for that answer. It might be the reason that cell phones/Blackberries are so ubiquitous and intrusive in society. We cannot wait for anything. Responses must be immediate.


A more sinister theory, and I have said this before- is that some people want a player to fail if it will validate/support their own position on that player. There are people who want certain players to fail, and Gallinari is one of the players that some hope will be a bust, even if they don't want to admit it.

As fans, we all want to be proven right in our assessments of teams, players, coaches, etc.. Some will give credit where credit is due, but even then it comes grudgingly.

Many on UK seemed (seem) outright hostile over the Gallinari pick. Is the hostility being done to be provocative and start a dialogue? There were legitimate reasons for the Knicks to pick Gallinari as well as reasons to pick other players. It is nice to have intelligent dialogues and debates, less nice to have to respond to the ramblings of someone who sounds like a 10th grader at my school.

In a few years, not a few weeks, we will know if the drafting of Gallinari was the beginning of a renaissance for a resurgent Knicks franchise, or a continuation of the present Dark Ages for NYC BB.

It will be interesting to see how some will react to the growth and development of a player like Gallinari who they really don't want on the team.
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2/9/2009  3:16 PM
Gallinari is a bust. Don't forget, I was right from the very beginning.
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2/9/2009  6:18 PM
Posted by Paladin55:
Posted by BlueSeats:


There are these internet annoying rumors are that the Knicks are trying to manage his playing time for his back and his psy
So what then is your point, that the kid is 100% and the reason he's not getting more time is because Walsh doesn't want us to know that he's not as good as Brooks Lopez?

You guys are killing me. The kid is a project with a bad back. First let him get healthy, then gradually increase his minutes. If he ends up sucking than you can pimp yourselves all you want, but what is the point in rushing the process?

It's quite "American" for folks to want instant gratification or an instant answer, solution, confirmation, or affirmation of anything that they are concerned or have questions about.

Americans don't like waiting for an answer- especially if it might take a year or two for that answer. It might be the reason that cell phones/Blackberries are so ubiquitous and intrusive in society. We cannot wait for anything. Responses must be immediate.


A more sinister theory, and I have said this before- is that some people want a player to fail if it will validate/support their own position on that player. There are people who want certain players to fail, and Gallinari is one of the players that some hope will be a bust, even if they don't want to admit it.

As fans, we all want to be proven right in our assessments of teams, players, coaches, etc.. Some will give credit where credit is due, but even then it comes grudgingly.

Many on UK seemed (seem) outright hostile over the Gallinari pick. Is the hostility being done to be provocative and start a dialogue? There were legitimate reasons for the Knicks to pick Gallinari as well as reasons to pick other players. It is nice to have intelligent dialogues and debates, less nice to have to respond to the ramblings of someone who sounds like a 10th grader at my school.

In a few years, not a few weeks, we will know if the drafting of Gallinari was the beginning of a renaissance for a resurgent Knicks franchise, or a continuation of the present Dark Ages for NYC BB.

It will be interesting to see how some will react to the growth and development of a player like Gallinari who they really don't want on the team.

I didn't find your message instantly gratifying, so I didn't read it.
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2/9/2009  6:37 PM
Playing in back to backs works out to about twenty six minutes of game time for him. Like many seasoned pros he seems to be taking plays off to rest.
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2/9/2009  6:41 PM
LOL, I post that I don't think that his medical condition is a problem as much as possible and tkf uses it as an opportunity to take a shot at me. It would be nice to see him use the same etiquette here that he demands as a mod from posters on realgm but that is another story. Paladin 55 goes into a short story about typical Americans and UK posters about wanting to be proved right and yet he exempts himself hinfrom the same criticism because he says positive things about Gallinari. As I said another story.

My point was that I believe that Gallinari is being shielded by the organization a little too much. I think it is setting him up to fail in the long run of his career. This goes back to D'Antoni desire to send the NBDL to rehab and get a reality course on just how difficult the NBA will be for the young man without the bright lights to cover your every action while Walsh was opposed to the idea. I suggested that the Knicks use Dirk introduction as an example of how to address this situation. Where he was thrown right into the fire and had to learn what he needed to do to get better first hand to succeed in the league. I called Berman an idiot for saying that Gallinari didn't belong out there while Ray Allen was lighting him up because how else is he going to learn. No secret agenda here just my opinion on how to get the most of out of this kid for the benefit of the organization because I think they are doing him a dishonor to continue to shelter him.
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2/9/2009  7:09 PM
Posted by islesfan:

Gallinari is a bust. Don't forget, I was right from the very beginning.

Do you honestly feel this? And what is your criteria for a player to be a BUST. Because you did say this before he played a single game.
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