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BigC
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2/1/2009  8:20 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by BigC:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by GKFv2:

You know dj, I always thought that people joked around with you that you were a Raptors fan but you really are. you have like 9000 posts on RealGM on the Raptors forum. I just saw it the other day. What's the deal man? Why do you post here if you support the Raps?

i was a season ticket holder and bled orange and blue. and then after they fired larry brown, i wanted the team to lose so they could fire isiah. and during that span i realized that i always hated on the team and reached an epiphany that i was really no longer a fan of theirs. and starting in the 05/06 season, i got league pass and started watching the raps. so i was dually following both teams and found that i actually cheered for the raptors as the years went on and didn't for the knicks. so in january 2008, i basically quit the knicks fulltime. i've watched a total of 6 games this year mainly b/c there was nothing else to watch.

i post here b/c i know a ton of people on this site and it's still the best site to discuss stuff and post pics of hot chicks.

the knicks completely changed how i view sports in general. and being a season ticket holder actually made me not be a fan of theirs anymore. i now am quite homerish when it comes to my other teams now - yanks, raps, and redskins. but the relationship with the knicks has been severed...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 02-01-2009 3:50 PM]

Isiah is not enough for me to go to another team. The Raptors so far do not look like a team that is on the raise but the Knicks look like they are. If I did not abandon my Mets since the 80's there is no way I would abandon my Knicks. Win or lost I am a Knicks fan.

The worse thing the Raptors did was trade TJ Ford. As long as the Raptors remain in Toronto star players that the Raptors draft will keep on leaving. Tmac, VC, now Bosh is going to be gone. If you were going to pick a team DJ you should have picked a team with more stability.

goes to show you my defection up north wasn't a case of frontrunning. if that was the case, i could be a fan of portland, new orleans or something like that.

the great tj vs. jose debate. it's try they miss tj ford, but not b/c jose calderon isn't a good pg, it's b/c they didn't replace tj's creativity and ball handling. tj ford is my favorite pg in the league but after he got hurt, the team responded more to jose in his absence. and then when he came back, he pressed and went more into "me-j" mode. they had to make a choice so they went with the healthier option. tj is having issues in indy (but i think it's b/c of being a bad fit with o'brien's offense more than anything) so it's not like he's exploded after being dealt.

and when you say free agents leave - that's true and a big reason why i liked what colangelo is trying to do up there.

I like Portland in the west also. Porter, Clyde, Cliff, Buck Williams, Kersey, Duckworth was the squad I use to like in the west. When Kenny Anderson or Rod Strickland was there those were some good years also.

As far as TJ Ford, I am a big fan of his. I think the Raptors should have kept both players just for point guard insurance. The Raptors want to play a more uptempo style of play. Yet they traded for a post up player? What sense does that make?

When I look at the TJ Ford trade I don't look it as," TJ is not doing that great so the Raptors don't need him." I look at the trade as what TJ could have done for the Raptors. The Pacers have beaten some good teams since Ford has been in the lineup.

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djsunyc
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2/1/2009  8:20 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

I don't know. I guess you can do what you want but I can't respect someone quitting on their team. So either your dad or something forced you into being a fan of the team and your heart was never into it? Or did you just quit on the team because they went through all that losing? I think people wouldn't care if you just never liked the team in the first place. Is that what you're saying? That you never liked them and realized this after many years? Because the timing of when you stopped being a fan hurts your credibility. I don't have anything against you. It's your decision.

i became a knicks/basketball fan when i first got cable in queens in 1987. i never watched or played basketball until that year. it was pitino's first year as a knick coach and i was hooked. followed them blood, sweat and tears since then. but this whole "i can't respect someone quitting on their team" stuff is, for the lack of a better word, nonsense. when you get sick, the knicks ain't coming to the hospital to visit you. when you lose your job, the knicks ain't paying your rent. again, it was my mistake to renew season tickets all those years but try paying your money and sitting at the garden all those years and tell me how you feel then. the "timing of it" hurts my credibility? what credibility is that? is it credible for you to post about completely hating all the players and gm of the team 2 years ago but loving everything now? that, according to your own standards, should be considered hypocritical.
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2/1/2009  8:22 PM
I think Marion, Beasley & a first would be a fair trade IMO. Specially if Bosh is pushing the not signing thing.
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2/1/2009  8:23 PM
Posted by BigC:I like Portland in the west also. Porter, Clyde, Cliff, Buck Williams, Kersey, Duckworth was the squad I use to like in the west. When Kenny Anderson or Rod Strickland was there those were some good years also.

As far as TJ Ford, I am a big fan of his. I think the Raptors should have kept both players just for point guard insurance. The Raptors want to play a more uptempo style of play. Yet they traded for a post up player? What sense does that make?

When I look at the TJ Ford trade I don't look it as," TJ is not doing that great so the Raptors don't need him." I look at the trade as what TJ could have done for the Raptors. The Pacers have beaten some good teams since Ford has been in the lineup.

calderon was a free agent. they couldn't keep both. they don't have limitless funds like the knicks. they had to make a choice. they went after jermaine b/c bargs was looking like a bust and the raps got destroyed by dwight in the playoffs. the raps biggest problem is that MLSE refuses to go into luxury and they simply couldn't address their two biggest needs in one offseason. they lost their depth in the jermaine deal, and didn't replace tj and the underrated carlos delfino.
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2/1/2009  8:25 PM
Posted by Anji:

I think Marion, Beasley & a first would be a fair trade IMO. Specially if Bosh is pushing the not signing thing.

that would be terrible for the raps. they have to try and get something like al jefferson and foye. bosh is only 24. he will be the best PF in the game in another 2-3 years.
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2/1/2009  8:25 PM
If Bosh is pushing them, then Beasley and Marion alone would be the most Toronto could ask for IMO.
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2/1/2009  8:27 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by GKFv2:

I don't know. I guess you can do what you want but I can't respect someone quitting on their team. So either your dad or something forced you into being a fan of the team and your heart was never into it? Or did you just quit on the team because they went through all that losing? I think people wouldn't care if you just never liked the team in the first place. Is that what you're saying? That you never liked them and realized this after many years? Because the timing of when you stopped being a fan hurts your credibility. I don't have anything against you. It's your decision.

i became a knicks/basketball fan when i first got cable in queens in 1987. i never watched or played basketball until that year. it was pitino's first year as a knick coach and i was hooked. followed them blood, sweat and tears since then. but this whole "i can't respect someone quitting on their team" stuff is, for the lack of a better word, nonsense. when you get sick, the knicks ain't coming to the hospital to visit you. when you lose your job, the knicks ain't paying your rent. again, it was my mistake to renew season tickets all those years but try paying your money and sitting at the garden all those years and tell me how you feel then. the "timing of it" hurts my credibility? what credibility is that? is it credible for you to post about completely hating all the players and gm of the team 2 years ago but loving everything now? that, according to your own standards, should be considered hypocritical.

Yes it is credible because when I was hating there was something to hate on and now there isn't. Being a fan of a team is being in thru the good times and the bad. It seems like right after the 90's the Knicks hit a rough patch in the 00's and you basically gave up on them only 4-5 years removed from their last playoff appearance. You act like the team was losing for 30 years.

I've payed plenty of money to see the Knicks, even in the Isiah years, the years I was really disgusted with the team. Maybe I didn't have season tickets but I wasted money I didn't need to waste to watch the team. Me buying tickets doesn't make me a better fan than anyone else though. The point is I still cared. Good or bad.

I still don't understand your argument. Knicks visiting you in the hospital? And? The Raptors are? You got fed up with a losing team and just picked a new team to root for that didn't have nearly as bad as a roster/GM combination as the Isiah Knicks. You left the team when they were down. You were a fan but stopped being a fan because they were "costing you money." Sports isn't about money. It's about loyalty. It's about passion. It's about the love for your team. Don't you think it will feel better for all of us when the Knicks win a title? Going through all that to see your team finally win? This is what sports is about. The ups and the downs. You stay with the downs because one day there will be an up. And one day you will get to celebrate like the other fanbases have before you in the Finals.

But to each their own. I wont argue with you. It's your decision to do what you do. There was never any malice in my post, just confusion. I no longer wish to discuss the issue.

[Edited by - gkfv2 on 02-01-2009 8:30 PM]
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2/1/2009  8:29 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

Dude, I was speaking about your situation more in general term. I won't lie it troubles me greatly. I just think it is all b.s. I remember going to an empty Garden before Ewing's arrival. I remember sitting anywhere you want at Yankee stadium in 92. I think a die hard fan is defined in bad years. Look at Raider fans that continue to show up, those are die hards. Like I said the bandwagon title is one that no one really wants to be called but sometimes it is really the most accurate. The problem is that NYC is full with a ton of them. Atlanta is another bandwagon city. That town blows hot and cold on teams so fast.

As far as the Yankees go, history already supports what I am talking. I am curious how many more and worse losing seasons these new Yankee fans are willing to sit through like in the late 80s and early 90s because apparently judging by history not many.

Neva mind, me. It is an touchy issue with me. To each their own.

Yes, "troubling" is the word. I also find it very troubling.

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2/1/2009  8:29 PM
Posted by Anji:

I think Marion, Beasley & a first would be a fair trade IMO. Specially if Bosh is pushing the not signing thing.
No way. If you the Raptors are trading Bosh they better get something better than that. Marion is a role player who probably only has a few years left. Bosh might be the best power forward in the game and he has not even reached his peak.
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djsunyc
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2/1/2009  8:29 PM
my point is that this whole "sticking with a team stuff" doesn't make a whole lotta sense to me. they are team that provides entertainment. if you are no longer entertained, why continue to watch and follow them?
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2/1/2009  8:31 PM
Posted by BigC:
Posted by Anji:

I think Marion, Beasley & a first would be a fair trade IMO. Specially if Bosh is pushing the not signing thing.
No way. If you the Raptors are trading Bosh they better get something better than that. Marion is a role player who probably only has a few years left. Bosh might be the best power forward in the game and he has not even reached his peak.

again, SAS has pretty much 0% credibility but i can see bosh leaving. it's a shame b/c if they can keep bosh + bargs + jose together for a while and bring in a wing player, they can be a really good team and pose alot of matchup problems.
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2/1/2009  8:32 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

my point is that this whole "sticking with a team stuff" doesn't make a whole lotta sense to me. they are team that provides entertainment. if you are no longer entertained, why continue to watch and follow them?

I'm very troubled by this statement.
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2/1/2009  8:36 PM
DJ, its okay if you switch teams, just don't tell me you no longer beat off to Alba.
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2/1/2009  8:38 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:

DJ, its okay if you switch teams, just don't tell me you no longer beat off to Alba.

sweet jesus. i'm single handedly (pun intended) keeping jergen's in business...
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2/1/2009  8:39 PM
If Toronto is to get full value for Bosh, they need to get several teams interested. If Miami is the only suitor, they insist on a discount, as he should.
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2/1/2009  8:42 PM
Posted by Ira:

If Toronto is to get full value for Bosh, they need to get several teams interested. If Miami is the only suitor, they insist on a discount, as he should.

trading a player like that almost never yields in a comparable return. they better get some really good young players. trading vince would've destroyed the raps franchise if bosh wasn't on that roster. maybe bargs is that guy now but you can never bank on that so they can't botch it up.

i still think you hold onto him and try like hell to convince him to stay b/c once he's dealt, he's gone and there's no turning back...

but i tell you...i see a similar bosh/ewing thing going on in toronto. of course it's a different level but fans are criticizing him big time for not being good enough and not being able to perform in the clutch. fans are starting to turn. he's starting to talk about the booing. and the media is starting to feed into it.
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2/1/2009  8:45 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

You know dj, I always thought that people joked around with you that you were a Raptors fan but you really are. you have like 9000 posts on RealGM on the Raptors forum. I just saw it the other day. What's the deal man? Why do you post here if you support the Raps?

That dj is one prolific poster.
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2/1/2009  8:46 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by GKFv2:

You know dj, I always thought that people joked around with you that you were a Raptors fan but you really are. you have like 9000 posts on RealGM on the Raptors forum. I just saw it the other day. What's the deal man? Why do you post here if you support the Raps?

That dj is one prolific poster.

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2/1/2009  8:47 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by GKFv2:

You know dj, I always thought that people joked around with you that you were a Raptors fan but you really are. you have like 9000 posts on RealGM on the Raptors forum. I just saw it the other day. What's the deal man? Why do you post here if you support the Raps?

That dj is one prolific poster.

i'm the chris bosh of this forum...
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2/1/2009  8:48 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by GKFv2:

You know dj, I always thought that people joked around with you that you were a Raptors fan but you really are. you have like 9000 posts on RealGM on the Raptors forum. I just saw it the other day. What's the deal man? Why do you post here if you support the Raps?

That dj is one prolific poster.

i'm the chris bosh of this forum...

Troubling. Very troubling.
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