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1/30/2009  11:37 AM
^ yea once they're far the f away from him they love him. but when they actually have to deal with him and their honest reactions come out it's a different story.
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1/30/2009  12:28 PM
Posted by Marv:

how come tough coaches jerry sloan, phil jackson, pat riley, greg popovich get to stay with teams and build foundations? how come they don't bounce around every couple of years amid multiple controversies at every stop? they can be appropriately tough without having to create dysfunction. larry brown can't.

You're wasting your breath around here --- the Larry groupies arent trying to hear it. I dont think I've ever heard anybody question Larry's coaching acumen, its his egomaniacal, backstabbing tendencies that people have the issue with.

I dont get why he isnt treated in the same regard as a T.O. Larry has proven to be much worse.
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1/30/2009  12:33 PM
Did you guys read the story? The part about where Larry hated on Ariza --- ostracizing him and reducing his role without reason or explanation which ultimately led to him being pushed out the door. Did you catch that part????

Brown was responsible for that horrific Francis trade.
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1/30/2009  12:37 PM
Posted by sebstar:

Did you guys read the story? The part about where Larry hated on Ariza --- ostracizing him and reducing his role without reason or explanation which ultimately led to him being pushed out the door. Did you catch that part????

Brown was responsible for that horrific Francis trade.

but for the fact that he was GM, I believe every word.
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1/30/2009  1:04 PM
Martin I never thought it would come to this, but I'm going to have to ban you from your own site. I hearby decree from this moment forward Sebstar and Martin are forever banned for conduct detimental to LB!!!!!!!!!

That ought to do the trick.
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1/30/2009  1:11 PM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by Marv:

how come tough coaches jerry sloan, phil jackson, pat riley, greg popovich get to stay with teams and build foundations? how come they don't bounce around every couple of years amid multiple controversies at every stop? they can be appropriately tough without having to create dysfunction. larry brown can't.

You're wasting your breath around here --- the Larry groupies arent trying to hear it. I dont think I've ever heard anybody question Larry's coaching acumen, its his egomaniacal, backstabbing tendencies that people have the issue with.

I dont get why he isnt treated in the same regard as a T.O. Larry has proven to be much worse.


Groupies trying to show the Larry haters that when young players finally get it, they love the guy and what he tried to do.

Even KNick players.

Know any other person that:

Olympic Gold as a player
Olympic Gold as Assistant coach
NCAA championship
NBA championship

He is hated by the mentally weak and loved by the strong and mature player.

Was he correct to want to overhaul the roster? Yup.
Did he go about it in a polite and gentile way? That ain't larry. Never was, never will.

Larry gets to restore his legacy.

Lovers understand, haters just lament on our garbage roster.
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1/30/2009  1:19 PM
Posted by Nalod:
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by Marv:

how come tough coaches jerry sloan, phil jackson, pat riley, greg popovich get to stay with teams and build foundations? how come they don't bounce around every couple of years amid multiple controversies at every stop? they can be appropriately tough without having to create dysfunction. larry brown can't.

You're wasting your breath around here --- the Larry groupies arent trying to hear it. I dont think I've ever heard anybody question Larry's coaching acumen, its his egomaniacal, backstabbing tendencies that people have the issue with.

I dont get why he isnt treated in the same regard as a T.O. Larry has proven to be much worse.


Groupies trying to show the Larry haters that when young players finally get it, they love the guy and what he tried to do.

Even KNick players.

Know any other person that:

Olympic Gold as a player
Olympic Gold as Assistant coach
NCAA championship
NBA championship

He is hated by the mentally weak and loved by the strong and mature player.

Was he correct to want to overhaul the roster? Yup.
Did he go about it in a polite and gentile way? That ain't larry. Never was, never will.

Larry gets to restore his legacy.

Lovers understand, haters just lament on our garbage roster.

seb, he's clearly talking about you
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1/30/2009  1:31 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

Martin I never thought it would come to this, but I'm going to have to ban you from your own site. I hearby decree from this moment forward Sebstar and Martin are forever banned for conduct detimental to LB!!!!!!!!!

That ought to do the trick.

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1/30/2009  4:33 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

Martin I never thought it would come to this, but I'm going to have to ban you from your own site. I hearby decree from this moment forward Sebstar and Martin are forever banned for conduct detimental to LB!!!!!!!!!

That ought to do the trick.

Delusional people are rarely funny. Even on good meds. <-----referring to Bip

Coaches who think they are the game, and that the players are not (diva or not) are delusional; the only coach to ever do that and get away with it consistently was Bill Russell, and that was only because he was also the best player there was at the time. The rest who try are egocentric turds like Brownie, with very little in the way of credibility. Which is why they wear out their welcome so seemingly quickly, even after a ring.
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1/30/2009  4:37 PM
Posted by jrodmc:
Posted by Bippity10:

Martin I never thought it would come to this, but I'm going to have to ban you from your own site. I hearby decree from this moment forward Sebstar and Martin are forever banned for conduct detimental to LB!!!!!!!!!

That ought to do the trick.

Delusional people are rarely funny. Even on good meds. <-----referring to Bip

Coaches who think they are the game, and that the players are not (diva or not) are delusional; the only coach to ever do that and get away with it consistently was Bill Russell, and that was only because he was also the best player there was at the time. The rest who try are egocentric turds like Brownie, with very little in the way of credibility. Which is why they wear out their welcome so seemingly quickly, even after a ring.

Do you think LB cares about wearing out his welcome? Only you and I and the people he upsets care about that. He feels what he does is right and he gets results. That's all he cares about.
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1/30/2009  4:57 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by jrodmc:
Posted by Bippity10:

Martin I never thought it would come to this, but I'm going to have to ban you from your own site. I hearby decree from this moment forward Sebstar and Martin are forever banned for conduct detimental to LB!!!!!!!!!

That ought to do the trick.

Delusional people are rarely funny. Even on good meds. <-----referring to Bip

Coaches who think they are the game, and that the players are not (diva or not) are delusional; the only coach to ever do that and get away with it consistently was Bill Russell, and that was only because he was also the best player there was at the time. The rest who try are egocentric turds like Brownie, with very little in the way of credibility. Which is why they wear out their welcome so seemingly quickly, even after a ring.

Do you think LB cares about wearing out his welcome? Only you and I and the people he upsets care about that. He feels what he does is right and he gets results. That's all he cares about.

No, my point is that all LB cares about is himself. Which doesn't upset me. But he doesn't care about results. Or his players (no matter what nicey nice things are printed years after the fact). Not fans. Not the game. If he's so enamored of results, why did he leave Detroit? He cares about LB and that's it. Egocentric turd. He is what he is. Nothing to get upset about. This is just a calm, cool overview.
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1/30/2009  5:10 PM
Posted by jrodmc:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by jrodmc:
Posted by Bippity10:

Martin I never thought it would come to this, but I'm going to have to ban you from your own site. I hearby decree from this moment forward Sebstar and Martin are forever banned for conduct detimental to LB!!!!!!!!!

That ought to do the trick.

Delusional people are rarely funny. Even on good meds. <-----referring to Bip

Coaches who think they are the game, and that the players are not (diva or not) are delusional; the only coach to ever do that and get away with it consistently was Bill Russell, and that was only because he was also the best player there was at the time. The rest who try are egocentric turds like Brownie, with very little in the way of credibility. Which is why they wear out their welcome so seemingly quickly, even after a ring.

Do you think LB cares about wearing out his welcome? Only you and I and the people he upsets care about that. He feels what he does is right and he gets results. That's all he cares about.

No, my point is that all LB cares about is himself. Which doesn't upset me. But he doesn't care about results. Or his players (no matter what nicey nice things are printed years after the fact). Not fans. Not the game. If he's so enamored of results, why did he leave Detroit? He cares about LB and that's it. Egocentric turd. He is what he is. Nothing to get upset about. This is just a calm, cool overview.
The heck with the big picture links; we need a link to a dictionary.

I would not deny that LB cares about himself and his situation first, but I think you are wrong if you think he doesn't care about results. He is obsessed with results. He does care about his players and he does care about the fans. Because he leaves, that means he doesn't care about them? I don't get that. He's not there father who is abandoning them after birth. He's a coach. If a player leaves to get his money in free-agency does that mean he doesn't care about results, the fans, his teammates etc. No it means he wanted a different situation and it's his right to do it as many times as he wants.

Personally I would love it if LB came here for a couple years, won a championship and then left. He would get no hate from me. But we ran him out of town, so we move on. I don't have to like the coaches personality to acknowledge their abilities. I personally think LB is an oaf. But the man can coach and I can't deny that.
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1/30/2009  5:53 PM
So let me get this straight, LB apologizes to Reezy for calling him delusional and banishing him from New York...The older and wiser Reezy is now staring for another team...Reezy feels good about things because he is now in a better situation than he would have been in New York, so he says good things about LB...

The love for LB is on again...Got it...

[Edited by - holfresh on 01-30-2009 5:54 PM]
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1/30/2009  6:25 PM
Posted by holfresh:

So let me get this straight, LB apologizes to Reezy for calling him delusional and banishing him from New York...The older and wiser Reezy is now staring for another team...Reezy feels good about things because he is now in a better situation than he would have been in New York, so he says good things about LB...

The love for LB is on again...Got it...

[Edited by - holfresh on 01-30-2009 5:54 PM]

LB still knows a lot about basketball... the problem is he just can't relate to the younger generation. He reminds me of a military grandpa trying to teach his grandkids. Being a hardass might've worked with his kids, but that's not the way the world works anymore. But I'm sure you can still learn a lot from a great mind, and I'm sure Ariza did from Brown... he was just tough to endure while he was teaching.

[Edited by - supremecommander on 01-30-2009 6:26 PM]
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1/30/2009  7:39 PM
Posted by SupremeCommander:
Posted by holfresh:

So let me get this straight, LB apologizes to Reezy for calling him delusional and banishing him from New York...The older and wiser Reezy is now staring for another team...Reezy feels good about things because he is now in a better situation than he would have been in New York, so he says good things about LB...

The love for LB is on again...Got it...

[Edited by - holfresh on 01-30-2009 5:54 PM]

LB still knows a lot about basketball... the problem is he just can't relate to the younger generation. He reminds me of a military grandpa trying to teach his grandkids. Being a hardass might've worked with his kids, but that's not the way the world works anymore. But I'm sure you can still learn a lot from a great mind, and I'm sure Ariza did from Brown... he was just tough to endure while he was teaching.

[Edited by - supremecommander on 01-30-2009 6:26 PM]


So they've turned the military into a daycare too? Sorry to hear that.
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1/30/2009  9:23 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by SupremeCommander:
Posted by holfresh:

So let me get this straight, LB apologizes to Reezy for calling him delusional and banishing him from New York...The older and wiser Reezy is now staring for another team...Reezy feels good about things because he is now in a better situation than he would have been in New York, so he says good things about LB...

The love for LB is on again...Got it...

[Edited by - holfresh on 01-30-2009 5:54 PM]

LB still knows a lot about basketball... the problem is he just can't relate to the younger generation. He reminds me of a military grandpa trying to teach his grandkids. Being a hardass might've worked with his kids, but that's not the way the world works anymore. But I'm sure you can still learn a lot from a great mind, and I'm sure Ariza did from Brown... he was just tough to endure while he was teaching.

[Edited by - supremecommander on 01-30-2009 6:26 PM]


So they've turned the military into a daycare too? Sorry to hear that.

No, they haven't turned the military into a daycare. My buddies that serve would disagree with that wholeheartedly. But I'd say my grandparents generation running their households like a barracks effectively spawned the long-haired hippie generation. And the hippie generation ultimately sold out to corporations, gave their kids consumer products in lieu of time, and signed their kids up in "every body is a winner!" soccer leagues. That's the cultural evolution that elicits responses from people about my generation as requiring day care attention.

So, while Larry Brown could effectively teach the previous generation of NBA players (raised in the same fashion as the way he teaches), at some point the younger guys started coming into the league. Those younger guys were either coddled or taught not to take authoritarian **** because the middle generation had enough of that. Doesn't change the fact that Larry Brown knows a tremendous amount about basketball and his former players... I think it just takes some time to realize he wasn't a monster and LB had his players' best interest at heart.

Kind of like Clint Eastwood in Gran Torino

[Edited by - supremecommander on 01-30-2009 9:25 PM]
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1/30/2009  9:35 PM
Regardless of what Larry did before or after the Knicks gig, he was horrendous here and deserved to be canned.
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Posted by Uptown:

Regardless of what Larry did before or after the Knicks gig, he was horrendous here and deserved to be canned.

What pissed me off about that firing is that Isiah and the front office wasn't let go too. If you were going to sign that guy and make a huge commitment to him, then let him got after it clearly didn't work out, you have to let the people responsible for the hiring go too. Every one deserved to get canned after that season, not just Larry.

[Edited by - supremecommander on 01-30-2009 9:42 PM]
DLeethal wrote: Lol Rick needs a safe space
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1/30/2009  10:28 PM
Posted by SupremeCommander:
Posted by Uptown:

Regardless of what Larry did before or after the Knicks gig, he was horrendous here and deserved to be canned.

What pissed me off about that firing is that Isiah and the front office wasn't let go too. If you were going to sign that guy and make a huge commitment to him, then let him got after it clearly didn't work out, you have to let the people responsible for the hiring go too. Every one deserved to get canned after that season, not just Larry.

[Edited by - supremecommander on 01-30-2009 9:42 PM]

I am not sure why you are surprised.
Isn't it exactly like any American corporation works?
Whoever on top makes stupid decisions (and they always do) are in position of power to find scapegoats in any quantity. This is the main reason why we are in this s..t now.
As usual the system is rotten from the top and we better figure out how put this "generation" of executive on pension as fast as possible and start working again.


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1/31/2009  7:41 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by Marv:

larry brown has always had a serious problem with his judgement when it comes to how he deals with people. ask folks in nj, detroit, denver, nyc, etc. it's not soemthing incidental imo - it's greatly lowered his overall effectiveness and legacy as a coach.


yeah, why should anyone have to put up with his crap when there are so many losing coaches with sweet hearts.

his firing effectively ended the relationship between the knicks and myself...


Never understood this mentality. Dont understand how the firing of a coach, the releasing of a fan favorite, or the ineptitude of the front office can drive a die-hard fan away. Ive been a Knick fan since the early 80's. Went through the Rory Sparrow, Kenny Bannister period and never waivered my allegiance. Was furious when the Knicks let Bernard King go, but still I continued to root for the Blue and Orange. Was nearly in tears when I found ut Strickland was traded, but I still tuned into the radio and listened to Jim Carvelous (sp) call the Knicks game with Mo Cheeks running the point.

My point is, fans usually root for the uniform. Regardless of whats going on with uppermanagement, there is nothing a fanatic can do about that. I've also been a life long Jet fan. Other than the one great Bill Parcells year, the Jets have been akin to the Clippers of basketball. But still, every August, I hope.......
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