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1/18/2009  5:02 PM
no one has mentioned this about Gallo, but regardless of how he looked out there, he just logger more minutes and points than Curry has this season.

Gallo looked overwhelmed on the defense glass at one point- reminded me a lot of Channing Frye.
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1/18/2009  5:04 PM
But to the kids credit, he isn't a low post player, he is probably a small forward naturally.
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1/18/2009  5:06 PM
Posted by nixluva:

Iike every other room, Gallo needs PT! I think he looked good but still showed a tendency to stop playing and get caught just watching the action. I like his passing and looking to drive when defenders ran out to him. He clearly needs to get stronger.

I think people tend to forget that he's 6-10 when they criticize his handle. Are you kidding me?!? The guy moved great with the ball on drives and was nimble driving the base line on that missed reverse layup. They think he's stiff? Well we must've forgotten how Frye moved with the ball! It's night and day! Gallo is fluid enough to get by his man and that's what counts, not how he looks doing it.

LOL, who cares if a 6'10 player has crazy handle if he can't play like a 6'10 player. Can he guard other 6'10 players is my question. I rather see him blocking opposing forwards vs. getting charges against point guards but to each their own. BTW, Frye was on the NBA Rookie All-First team. Shot the ball IMO better than Gallo and yet he was ran out of NY in his second season because he couldn't defend players his own size. Let's see some consistency on this board for once. I expect rebounds and blocks from Gallo to go with any points.

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1/18/2009  5:08 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by nixluva:

Iike every other room, Gallo needs PT! I think he looked good but still showed a tendency to stop playing and get caught just watching the action. I like his passing and looking to drive when defenders ran out to him. He clearly needs to get stronger.

I think people tend to forget that he's 6-10 when they criticize his handle. Are you kidding me?!? The guy moved great with the ball on drives and was nimble driving the base line on that missed reverse layup. They think he's stiff? Well we must've forgotten how Frye moved with the ball! It's night and day! Gallo is fluid enough to get by his man and that's what counts, not how he looks doing it.

LOL, who cares if a 6'10 player has crazy handle if he can't play like a 6'10 player. Can he guard other 6'10 players is my question. I rather see him blocking opposing forwards vs. getting charges against point guards but to each their own. BTW, Frye was on the NBA Rookie All-First team. Shot the ball IMO better than Gallo and yet he was ran out of NY in his second season because he couldn't defend players his own size. Let's see some consistency on this board for once. I expect rebounds and blocks from Gallo to go with any points.

is there a rule in the NBA that all 6'10" players need to be low post bangers who grab rebounds & defend? i wasn't aware of this... guys like Toni Kukoc have had pretty productive seasons playing in the NBA... if Gallo plays that style of ball & is a glue guy on a good team, why would that be a bad thing?
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Posted by TMS:
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Posted by nixluva:

Iike every other room, Gallo needs PT! I think he looked good but still showed a tendency to stop playing and get caught just watching the action. I like his passing and looking to drive when defenders ran out to him. He clearly needs to get stronger.

I think people tend to forget that he's 6-10 when they criticize his handle. Are you kidding me?!? The guy moved great with the ball on drives and was nimble driving the base line on that missed reverse layup. They think he's stiff? Well we must've forgotten how Frye moved with the ball! It's night and day! Gallo is fluid enough to get by his man and that's what counts, not how he looks doing it.

LOL, who cares if a 6'10 player has crazy handle if he can't play like a 6'10 player. Can he guard other 6'10 players is my question. I rather see him blocking opposing forwards vs. getting charges against point guards but to each their own. BTW, Frye was on the NBA Rookie All-First team. Shot the ball IMO better than Gallo and yet he was ran out of NY in his second season because he couldn't defend players his own size. Let's see some consistency on this board for once. I expect rebounds and blocks from Gallo to go with any points.

is there a rule in the NBA that all 6'10" players need to be low post bangers who grab rebounds & defend? i wasn't aware of this... guys like Toni Kukoc have had pretty productive seasons playing in the NBA... if Gallo plays that style of ball & is a glue guy on a good team, why would that be a bad thing?

If not there should be one. The knock on Kukoc was that he didn't bring much to table on defense and was regulated from being 2 or 3rd wheel to being a role player on a great team. Kukoc wasn't a top draft pick so no harm no foul.

I am just asking for consistency. We can't get on players like Curry for dominating the post but not being able to get more than 6 rebounds and somehow say all is forgiven for a player who is near the same height because you like him. The same with Frye. Let me just say it doesn't look kosher doing so. He only played 25 minutes so far so maybe he could be a rebounding demon but I expecting him to average the same amount that others would expect players like Curry and Frye to average. His balling handling and passing should be pluses not used as excuses for deficiencies.

[Edited by - pharzeone on 01-18-2009 5:32 PM]
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1/18/2009  5:40 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by nixluva:

Iike every other room, Gallo needs PT! I think he looked good but still showed a tendency to stop playing and get caught just watching the action. I like his passing and looking to drive when defenders ran out to him. He clearly needs to get stronger.

I think people tend to forget that he's 6-10 when they criticize his handle. Are you kidding me?!? The guy moved great with the ball on drives and was nimble driving the base line on that missed reverse layup. They think he's stiff? Well we must've forgotten how Frye moved with the ball! It's night and day! Gallo is fluid enough to get by his man and that's what counts, not how he looks doing it.

LOL, who cares if a 6'10 player has crazy handle if he can't play like a 6'10 player. Can he guard other 6'10 players is my question. I rather see him blocking opposing forwards vs. getting charges against point guards but to each their own. BTW, Frye was on the NBA Rookie All-First team. Shot the ball IMO better than Gallo and yet he was ran out of NY in his second season because he couldn't defend players his own size. Let's see some consistency on this board for once. I expect rebounds and blocks from Gallo to go with any points.

is there a rule in the NBA that all 6'10" players need to be low post bangers who grab rebounds & defend? i wasn't aware of this... guys like Toni Kukoc have had pretty productive seasons playing in the NBA... if Gallo plays that style of ball & is a glue guy on a good team, why would that be a bad thing?

If not there should be one. The knock on Kukoc was that he didn't bring much to table on defense and was regulated from being 2 or 3rd wheel to being a role player on a great team. Kukoc wasn't a top draft pick so no harm no foul.

I am just asking for consistency. We can't get on players like Curry for dominating the post but not being able to get more than 6 rebounds and somehow say all is forgiven for a player who is near the same height because you like him. The same with Frye. Let me just say it doesn't look kosher doing so. He only played 25 minutes so far so maybe he could be a rebounding demon but I expecting him to average the same amount that others would expect players like Curry and Frye to average. His balling handling and passing should be pluses not used as excuses for deficiencies.

[Edited by - pharzeone on 01-18-2009 5:32 PM]

Theoretically - if we are about to get LeBron and Bosh or some substitute for these free agents - and Gallo can turn into Kukoc, I would be pretty happy. Let's see what happens with this guy, hopefully he will be serviceable.
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1/18/2009  5:44 PM
Posted by OasisBU:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by nixluva:

Iike every other room, Gallo needs PT! I think he looked good but still showed a tendency to stop playing and get caught just watching the action. I like his passing and looking to drive when defenders ran out to him. He clearly needs to get stronger.

I think people tend to forget that he's 6-10 when they criticize his handle. Are you kidding me?!? The guy moved great with the ball on drives and was nimble driving the base line on that missed reverse layup. They think he's stiff? Well we must've forgotten how Frye moved with the ball! It's night and day! Gallo is fluid enough to get by his man and that's what counts, not how he looks doing it.

LOL, who cares if a 6'10 player has crazy handle if he can't play like a 6'10 player. Can he guard other 6'10 players is my question. I rather see him blocking opposing forwards vs. getting charges against point guards but to each their own. BTW, Frye was on the NBA Rookie All-First team. Shot the ball IMO better than Gallo and yet he was ran out of NY in his second season because he couldn't defend players his own size. Let's see some consistency on this board for once. I expect rebounds and blocks from Gallo to go with any points.

is there a rule in the NBA that all 6'10" players need to be low post bangers who grab rebounds & defend? i wasn't aware of this... guys like Toni Kukoc have had pretty productive seasons playing in the NBA... if Gallo plays that style of ball & is a glue guy on a good team, why would that be a bad thing?

If not there should be one. The knock on Kukoc was that he didn't bring much to table on defense and was regulated from being 2 or 3rd wheel to being a role player on a great team. Kukoc wasn't a top draft pick so no harm no foul.

I am just asking for consistency. We can't get on players like Curry for dominating the post but not being able to get more than 6 rebounds and somehow say all is forgiven for a player who is near the same height because you like him. The same with Frye. Let me just say it doesn't look kosher doing so. He only played 25 minutes so far so maybe he could be a rebounding demon but I expecting him to average the same amount that others would expect players like Curry and Frye to average. His balling handling and passing should be pluses not used as excuses for deficiencies.

[Edited by - pharzeone on 01-18-2009 5:32 PM]

Theoretically - if we are about to get LeBron and Bosh or some substitute for these free agents - and Gallo can turn into Kukoc, I would be pretty happy. Let's see what happens with this guy, hopefully he will be serviceable.

I wouldn't.
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1/18/2009  5:54 PM
Kukoc had a 19 / 7 / 5 season at his absolute peak... i'd take that in a heartbeat w/Gallo if he ever were to reach that level of production, i don't care if he's 7 feet tall... the kid seems very mobile for a tall guy & can take guys off the dribble from what little we've seen of him so far... it's pretty clear he's got a team first mentality that most of us would love to see in every one of our young players... if Nate had that same kinda mentality he could actually be a viable option to start at PG for some team, but he doesn't.

i dunno if Gallo will be better than Kukoc or not but personally i wouldn't complain 1 bit of he turned out to be the same type of player Kukoc was over his career.

[Edited by - TMS on 01-18-2009 3:39 PM]
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1/18/2009  6:35 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Gallo averages more assists than boards.

Nothing wrong with that, but we have a lot of players that don't do what they are supposed to, and no one to overcome these weaknesses.

We have Curry who can score, but nothing else- though he appears to be out of the league.

JJ2 who can't shoot, catch the ball in the lane, but is ok on defense.

Nate who is great, but a midget.

Lee, also great, but can't defend.


All of these half great players, but everyone flawed.


Is it too much to ask for well rounded players that actually measure up to their position?
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1/18/2009  6:47 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by nixluva:

Iike every other room, Gallo needs PT! I think he looked good but still showed a tendency to stop playing and get caught just watching the action. I like his passing and looking to drive when defenders ran out to him. He clearly needs to get stronger.

I think people tend to forget that he's 6-10 when they criticize his handle. Are you kidding me?!? The guy moved great with the ball on drives and was nimble driving the base line on that missed reverse layup. They think he's stiff? Well we must've forgotten how Frye moved with the ball! It's night and day! Gallo is fluid enough to get by his man and that's what counts, not how he looks doing it.

LOL, who cares if a 6'10 player has crazy handle if he can't play like a 6'10 player. Can he guard other 6'10 players is my question. I rather see him blocking opposing forwards vs. getting charges against point guards but to each their own. BTW, Frye was on the NBA Rookie All-First team. Shot the ball IMO better than Gallo and yet he was ran out of NY in his second season because he couldn't defend players his own size. Let's see some consistency on this board for once. I expect rebounds and blocks from Gallo to go with any points.


frye got run out of NY, because once teams started pushing up on his only weapon, his jumper, he could do nothing else.. Gallanari is a completely different player, once guys push up on his shot, he has the ability to put the ball on the floor and do many things.
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1/18/2009  7:03 PM
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Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by nixluva:

Iike every other room, Gallo needs PT! I think he looked good but still showed a tendency to stop playing and get caught just watching the action. I like his passing and looking to drive when defenders ran out to him. He clearly needs to get stronger.

I think people tend to forget that he's 6-10 when they criticize his handle. Are you kidding me?!? The guy moved great with the ball on drives and was nimble driving the base line on that missed reverse layup. They think he's stiff? Well we must've forgotten how Frye moved with the ball! It's night and day! Gallo is fluid enough to get by his man and that's what counts, not how he looks doing it.

LOL, who cares if a 6'10 player has crazy handle if he can't play like a 6'10 player. Can he guard other 6'10 players is my question. I rather see him blocking opposing forwards vs. getting charges against point guards but to each their own. BTW, Frye was on the NBA Rookie All-First team. Shot the ball IMO better than Gallo and yet he was ran out of NY in his second season because he couldn't defend players his own size. Let's see some consistency on this board for once. I expect rebounds and blocks from Gallo to go with any points.


frye got run out of NY, because once teams started pushing up on his only weapon, his jumper, he could do nothing else.. Gallanari is a completely different player, once guys push up on his shot, he has the ability to put the ball on the floor and do many things.

You see that in your crystal ball? Just kidding. If a 6'10 guy who can dribble and pass gets you hot and heavy, no problem. I rather see him bang in the post and defend something that this team is sorely missing. He gets the benefit of doubt for another year like Frye. If he can't rebound or defend then he deserves the same treatment as the others. I don't know the rules about setting different standards for different players but it seems like some of you guys know the rules better than most.
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1/18/2009  7:11 PM
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1/18/2009  7:19 PM
You see what Speights is doing? That's what I want to see Gallo do at the same height. Prevent two points and leave the opposing fans only posting the drive and lay up without showing the score.
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1/18/2009  7:43 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:


Theoretically - if we are about to get LeBron and Bosh or some substitute for these free agents - and Gallo can turn into Kukoc, I would be pretty happy. Let's see what happens with this guy, hopefully he will be serviceable.

I wouldn't.
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I think Gallinari will do fine defensively- his footwork is not bad, he will go up to contest his man's shots, and he understands the concept of help defense. I don't know about his rebounding- added muscle/bulk will help, but that is not the only thing that matters, or Curry would be a better rebounder than Lee. Having a well rounded team with a rebounding C, and other guys who can rebound will compensate for Gallinari if he does not become an 8RPG+ player, though.

The theory proposed, however, had do do with the Knicks getting Bosh and LeBron (or other high level free agents) and Gallinari being the reincarnation of Kukoc, and your negative (and terse) response. I'm not saying that the post 2010 FA feast strategy is going to work out for the Knicks, but if by some miracle we were to get Wade or James and Bosh, how would a Kukoc type player, a guy who plays good team BB, can hit jumpers consistently when open, pass, and have moments where he takes over a game, not be a perfect fit to play with imported studs like Wade, James, or Bosh? I actually think he will end up being better than Kukoc because he has a more consistent shot and will probably get to the line more often, but the proposition you responded to had to do with Gallo being another Kukoc.

Under this scenerio, I would rather have a guy who can play team ball and can respond when called upon, than someone who needs the ball all the time to show what he can do. If you have a James and Bosh on your team, guys like Lee, Gallinari, Duhon, Chandler, etc., become more valuable components when they come to realize that don't have to take everything on their shoulders for the team to succeed. It becomes an addition by subtraction situation. Guys like Curry, Nate (I wish this was not true), and Harrington will not be as effective on such a team, IMO. I also think that some of the UK favorites such as Bayless and Randolph would not be great fits on such a team, while a guy like B. Lopez fits in well.

I am not sure what you want in a player, but if you can't see that Gallinari (assuming his back stays healthy, and he actually is an Italian Kukoc) would be a good fit on a Jame/Wade, Bosh led team, then you may not understand what it takes to have a successful team, or perhaps you have some other problem with picking a European over an American player. I don't mean to be provocative, but some of the guys who post on UK have some prejudices which seem to make it impossible for them to objectively evaluate things. (Of course my being an American of Italian lineage has nothing to do with liking Gallinari's game. )

Gallo's back, and whether or not the Knicks can acually pick up Wade/James and Bosh is another situation. You can make a good case that if the Knicks don't pick up any of the big prizes after 2010, then a guy like Lopez, based on what I have seen of him, may have been the best pick for the Knicks, but you can't turn back the clock at this time.

Perhaps you can better explain your answer to the theoretical proposition that you gave a 2 word answer two. I would hope that I would not have to hear the damaged good, soft European, he was Isiah's guy, MDA and Walsh never even saw him, MDA wanted him because he played with his dad stuff that is always thrown out. That was not part of the theoretical proposition you were asked to respond to.
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1/18/2009  8:03 PM
I was really impressed with his confidence.. He looked more rusty than nervous in my oppinnion
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First, Where did I post that we are getting Lebron and Wade? Please do not misquote me. Thank you.

Much like Pippen and Jordan, I didn't see the hype about Kukoc so you are addressing the poster. He was a regulated role player that was originally drafted as a means to replace Pippen instead of paying him. So if the Knicks used a sixth pick on a player they hope will be a third wheel than that is troubling, actually it is very troubling. Krause was smart enough not to do that.

Secondly, Lebron James or D Wade reached the finals without the likes of a Gallinari, so something tells me they will do fine with or without him (I guess that is kinda terse but accurate).

Thirdly, what makes him a team guy? If you say it enough times and get other people to repeat it doesn't make it true. He passes the ball, guess what so do other players on the team other than Harrington and Nate. The Knicks are among the leaders in assist but what has that translated into. Orlando and Cleveland are in the bottom yet are among the best teams in the league. The answer get better dominating players.

Finally, I think you already posted your agenda but mine only seems to be maximizing quality of pick based on their perspective location. Drafting a player because he does something that is not common for players his size is not reasonable in personal opinion.

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1/18/2009  8:11 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by nixluva:

Iike every other room, Gallo needs PT! I think he looked good but still showed a tendency to stop playing and get caught just watching the action. I like his passing and looking to drive when defenders ran out to him. He clearly needs to get stronger.

I think people tend to forget that he's 6-10 when they criticize his handle. Are you kidding me?!? The guy moved great with the ball on drives and was nimble driving the base line on that missed reverse layup. They think he's stiff? Well we must've forgotten how Frye moved with the ball! It's night and day! Gallo is fluid enough to get by his man and that's what counts, not how he looks doing it.

LOL, who cares if a 6'10 player has crazy handle if he can't play like a 6'10 player. Can he guard other 6'10 players is my question. I rather see him blocking opposing forwards vs. getting charges against point guards but to each their own. BTW, Frye was on the NBA Rookie All-First team. Shot the ball IMO better than Gallo and yet he was ran out of NY in his second season because he couldn't defend players his own size. Let's see some consistency on this board for once. I expect rebounds and blocks from Gallo to go with any points.
Gallo has played 2 GAMES and you already decided this. You are so closed minded about Gallo, nothing he does will ever satisfy you. No matter what he does you will insist that this guy is overated. Looking foward to years of negativity from you.
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Iike every other room, Gallo needs PT! I think he looked good but still showed a tendency to stop playing and get caught just watching the action. I like his passing and looking to drive when defenders ran out to him. He clearly needs to get stronger.

I think people tend to forget that he's 6-10 when they criticize his handle. Are you kidding me?!? The guy moved great with the ball on drives and was nimble driving the base line on that missed reverse layup. They think he's stiff? Well we must've forgotten how Frye moved with the ball! It's night and day! Gallo is fluid enough to get by his man and that's what counts, not how he looks doing it.

LOL, who cares if a 6'10 player has crazy handle if he can't play like a 6'10 player. Can he guard other 6'10 players is my question. I rather see him blocking opposing forwards vs. getting charges against point guards but to each their own. BTW, Frye was on the NBA Rookie All-First team. Shot the ball IMO better than Gallo and yet he was ran out of NY in his second season because he couldn't defend players his own size. Let's see some consistency on this board for once. I expect rebounds and blocks from Gallo to go with any points.
Gallo has played 2 GAMES and you already decided this. You are so closed minded about Gallo, nothing he does will ever satisfy you. No matter what he does you will insist that this guy is overated. Looking foward to years of negativity from you.

Do you just troll out for Gallo talk?
And you are in ridiculously awe of a guy who played just 3 games. Everything he does fulfills you. No matter what he does you will insist that this guy is special. Looking forward to years of positivity from you.
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He needs to play at least 20 minutes a game. We need to see if this kid can replace Lee, which means we need to see if he can rebound. If he can, then we can trade Lee for some more pieces and put ourselves in great shape for 2010. The kid can definitely shoot. The question is can he do more.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! It's just a matter of time before his back is shot. Get rid of Lee, pick up some questionable pieces in the draft for him and the Galo's back goes, and guess what? We're dead out of luck. Very bad thinking there game.
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1/18/2009  8:32 PM
Secondly, Lebron James or D Wade reached the finals without the likes of a Gallinari,

lots of championship teams have had players who played 3rd & 4th option roles on their squads but nevertheless had big impacts overall... Celtics had Ray Allen & James Posey last year... the Lakers had Glen Rice & Robert Horry... Spurs had Manu Ginobili & Robert Horry... Pistons had Tayshaun Prince & Rasheed Wallace... why do u automatically rule out if Gallo can't be a better Toni Kukoc for a Knicks championship contender someday? Kukoc did a fine job for a few championship winning Bulls teams... if Gallo were to ever reach that level of a player i don't see how u could call him a bust personally.

& so what if Kukoc was taken later in the draft? u don't think any of those other guys i just mentioned were taken as high as 6th in their respective draft classes? not every top 10 pick needs to be a superstar player in order not to be considered a bust... if u prefer low post bangers, that's ur prerogative, but that doesn't mean he would be a failed pick if he doesn't live up to your standards of how a 6'10" player ought to play like.
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