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1/17/2009  7:13 PM
the other part about Gallinari and why I don't like the pick is that he plays the one position we are completely stocked at. Harrington, Chandler, DLee, Tim, Jefferies make up 5 of the 8 guys in the rotation. we need a SG or a backup PG so much more than a Gallo type right now.

Bayless would be perfect. I cannot believe they passed on him. I really thought Bayless would go 4th.
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1/17/2009  7:38 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

the other part about Gallinari and why I don't like the pick is that he plays the one position we are completely stocked at. Harrington, Chandler, DLee, Tim, Jefferies make up 5 of the 8 guys in the rotation. we need a SG or a backup PG so much more than a Gallo type right now.

Bayless would be perfect. I cannot believe they passed on him. I really thought Bayless would go 4th.

I agree with you that it would've been ideal to draft a shooting guard, especially given our situation. But ask yourself how many of those guys will be around for long? You could argue that Chandler and Lee are the likely ones. Both can play many positions, so having depth in multiple positions, while each guy contributing a different aspect of the game (Lee's rebounds, Chandler's defense, Gallinari's shooting) sure doesn't hurt.


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""It is about getting healthy," D'Antoni said. "That is the No. 1 priority. I'm not ready to say he's not going to play this year. I'm not ready to say that in a month or two he won't be ready. But realistically I don't think anybody really knows. I'm not worried about it. The only thing we're worried about is getting him 100% well. If it takes all year, it takes all year. But we're not going to push him.

"I'm worried about it, but at this point, we're just going to do what's best for him. He's 20 years old. We'd love for him to play in the next two or three weeks. We'd love for him to play in the next two or three months, but he has to be 100% well. And I don't know when that point will be.""

This is what D'Antoni said on Nov 11, 2008 and I'm going to take him at his word. As far as anyone is concerned, Gallinari is 100% and ready. No reason to hold him back anymore and certainly no reason to use his back as an excuse.

Based on his experience in the "superior" Euroleague and the skills we've been told he possesses, I expect his learning curve to be much shorter than for someone who played in the inferior NCAA. Seeing how the Knicks run such basic sets, it's only a matter of time before Gallinari is playing at least 20 minutes a game and showing why he was the 6th pick. I figure by the all star break.

Knicks Medical staff said he was ready to go, so did Danillo, but neither said he was 100%.

D'Antoni didn't play him, so the wait continues. If somehow declaring that you believe Gallo is 100% healthy makes you feel better, go on. But a message board's post does nothing to change the fact that it is a day-by-day issue that clearly seems to be close but not exactly at 100%.

If it helps your "Gallo is a bust" posts, fine. Suit yourself. But whether is now or in two weeks, the main objective for the Knicks and the main hope of the fans should be a 100% healthy Gallo.



No no. The Knicks are declaring that he's 100% healthy, I'm just restating that fact. Go read the bolded parts of that post your quoted. That wasn't me talking, that was the head coach of the NY Knicks.

D'Antoni's quotes, as you mentioned before, are from November. The Knicks medical staff gave Gallo the nod. Even D'Antoni, reports said, was surprised but guessed he was ready. Still, Gallo didn't play. Lets see what happens tonight and in the following days, but as another poster mentioned, Gallo's opinion should be the most important here, since its his health, and even him suggested he wasn't 100% but better enough to start the comeback. Given that fact, expectations should be low for sane fans, for masochists, expectations can be high.


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1/17/2009  7:53 PM
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""It is about getting healthy," D'Antoni said. "That is the No. 1 priority. I'm not ready to say he's not going to play this year. I'm not ready to say that in a month or two he won't be ready. But realistically I don't think anybody really knows. I'm not worried about it. The only thing we're worried about is getting him 100% well. If it takes all year, it takes all year. But we're not going to push him.

"I'm worried about it, but at this point, we're just going to do what's best for him. He's 20 years old. We'd love for him to play in the next two or three weeks. We'd love for him to play in the next two or three months, but he has to be 100% well. And I don't know when that point will be.""

This is what D'Antoni said on Nov 11, 2008 and I'm going to take him at his word. As far as anyone is concerned, Gallinari is 100% and ready. No reason to hold him back anymore and certainly no reason to use his back as an excuse.

Based on his experience in the "superior" Euroleague and the skills we've been told he possesses, I expect his learning curve to be much shorter than for someone who played in the inferior NCAA. Seeing how the Knicks run such basic sets, it's only a matter of time before Gallinari is playing at least 20 minutes a game and showing why he was the 6th pick. I figure by the all star break.

Knicks Medical staff said he was ready to go, so did Danillo, but neither said he was 100%.

D'Antoni didn't play him, so the wait continues. If somehow declaring that you believe Gallo is 100% healthy makes you feel better, go on. But a message board's post does nothing to change the fact that it is a day-by-day issue that clearly seems to be close but not exactly at 100%.

If it helps your "Gallo is a bust" posts, fine. Suit yourself. But whether is now or in two weeks, the main objective for the Knicks and the main hope of the fans should be a 100% healthy Gallo.



No no. The Knicks are declaring that he's 100% healthy, I'm just restating that fact. Go read the bolded parts of that post your quoted. That wasn't me talking, that was the head coach of the NY Knicks.

D'Antoni's quotes, as you mentioned before, are from November. The Knicks medical staff gave Gallo the nod. Even D'Antoni, reports said, was surprised but guessed he was ready. Still, Gallo didn't play. Lets see what happens tonight and in the following days, but as another poster mentioned, Gallo's opinion should be the most important here, since its his health, and even him suggested he wasn't 100% but better enough to start the comeback. Given that fact, expectations should be low for sane fans, for masochists, expectations can be high.



He was the 6th pick in the entire draft. Please explain why expectations should be low?
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""It is about getting healthy," D'Antoni said. "That is the No. 1 priority. I'm not ready to say he's not going to play this year. I'm not ready to say that in a month or two he won't be ready. But realistically I don't think anybody really knows. I'm not worried about it. The only thing we're worried about is getting him 100% well. If it takes all year, it takes all year. But we're not going to push him.

"I'm worried about it, but at this point, we're just going to do what's best for him. He's 20 years old. We'd love for him to play in the next two or three weeks. We'd love for him to play in the next two or three months, but he has to be 100% well. And I don't know when that point will be.""

This is what D'Antoni said on Nov 11, 2008 and I'm going to take him at his word. As far as anyone is concerned, Gallinari is 100% and ready. No reason to hold him back anymore and certainly no reason to use his back as an excuse.

Based on his experience in the "superior" Euroleague and the skills we've been told he possesses, I expect his learning curve to be much shorter than for someone who played in the inferior NCAA. Seeing how the Knicks run such basic sets, it's only a matter of time before Gallinari is playing at least 20 minutes a game and showing why he was the 6th pick. I figure by the all star break.

Knicks Medical staff said he was ready to go, so did Danillo, but neither said he was 100%.

D'Antoni didn't play him, so the wait continues. If somehow declaring that you believe Gallo is 100% healthy makes you feel better, go on. But a message board's post does nothing to change the fact that it is a day-by-day issue that clearly seems to be close but not exactly at 100%.

If it helps your "Gallo is a bust" posts, fine. Suit yourself. But whether is now or in two weeks, the main objective for the Knicks and the main hope of the fans should be a 100% healthy Gallo.



No no. The Knicks are declaring that he's 100% healthy, I'm just restating that fact. Go read the bolded parts of that post your quoted. That wasn't me talking, that was the head coach of the NY Knicks.

D'Antoni's quotes, as you mentioned before, are from November. The Knicks medical staff gave Gallo the nod. Even D'Antoni, reports said, was surprised but guessed he was ready. Still, Gallo didn't play. Lets see what happens tonight and in the following days, but as another poster mentioned, Gallo's opinion should be the most important here, since its his health, and even him suggested he wasn't 100% but better enough to start the comeback. Given that fact, expectations should be low for sane fans, for masochists, expectations can be high.



He was the 6th pick in the entire draft. Please explain why expectations should be low?

Geez, I don't know, maybe because the guy is coming from an injury to start playing in mid season while in pre-season conditioning. Maybe because he has yet to play a game and get in sync with the system. Being the 6th, 5th, even 1st pick doesn't make you bulletproof, as far as I know, so since the guy still bleeds and gets injured, maybe its logical to expect a period of adaptation. I think every player coming from an injury deserves one, don't you think?


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""It is about getting healthy," D'Antoni said. "That is the No. 1 priority. I'm not ready to say he's not going to play this year. I'm not ready to say that in a month or two he won't be ready. But realistically I don't think anybody really knows. I'm not worried about it. The only thing we're worried about is getting him 100% well. If it takes all year, it takes all year. But we're not going to push him.

"I'm worried about it, but at this point, we're just going to do what's best for him. He's 20 years old. We'd love for him to play in the next two or three weeks. We'd love for him to play in the next two or three months, but he has to be 100% well. And I don't know when that point will be.""

This is what D'Antoni said on Nov 11, 2008 and I'm going to take him at his word. As far as anyone is concerned, Gallinari is 100% and ready. No reason to hold him back anymore and certainly no reason to use his back as an excuse.

Based on his experience in the "superior" Euroleague and the skills we've been told he possesses, I expect his learning curve to be much shorter than for someone who played in the inferior NCAA. Seeing how the Knicks run such basic sets, it's only a matter of time before Gallinari is playing at least 20 minutes a game and showing why he was the 6th pick. I figure by the all star break.

Knicks Medical staff said he was ready to go, so did Danillo, but neither said he was 100%.

D'Antoni didn't play him, so the wait continues. If somehow declaring that you believe Gallo is 100% healthy makes you feel better, go on. But a message board's post does nothing to change the fact that it is a day-by-day issue that clearly seems to be close but not exactly at 100%.

If it helps your "Gallo is a bust" posts, fine. Suit yourself. But whether is now or in two weeks, the main objective for the Knicks and the main hope of the fans should be a 100% healthy Gallo.



No no. The Knicks are declaring that he's 100% healthy, I'm just restating that fact. Go read the bolded parts of that post your quoted. That wasn't me talking, that was the head coach of the NY Knicks.

D'Antoni's quotes, as you mentioned before, are from November. The Knicks medical staff gave Gallo the nod. Even D'Antoni, reports said, was surprised but guessed he was ready. Still, Gallo didn't play. Lets see what happens tonight and in the following days, but as another poster mentioned, Gallo's opinion should be the most important here, since its his health, and even him suggested he wasn't 100% but better enough to start the comeback. Given that fact, expectations should be low for sane fans, for masochists, expectations can be high.



He was the 6th pick in the entire draft. Please explain why expectations should be low?

Geez, I don't know, maybe because the guy is coming from an injury to start playing in mid season while in pre-season conditioning. Maybe because he has yet to play a game and get in sync with the system. Being the 6th, 5th, even 1st pick doesn't make you bulletproof, as far as I know, so since the guy still bleeds and gets injured, maybe its logical to expect a period of adaptation. I think every player coming from an injury deserves one, don't you think?



Do you read the posts you respond to or are you on autopilot with the big book of Knicks excuses and lowered expectations?

I explained that an adjustment period is to be expected but based on his experience in the Euroleague and his supposed skill level, I expect his learning curve to be a short one.
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""It is about getting healthy," D'Antoni said. "That is the No. 1 priority. I'm not ready to say he's not going to play this year. I'm not ready to say that in a month or two he won't be ready. But realistically I don't think anybody really knows. I'm not worried about it. The only thing we're worried about is getting him 100% well. If it takes all year, it takes all year. But we're not going to push him.

"I'm worried about it, but at this point, we're just going to do what's best for him. He's 20 years old. We'd love for him to play in the next two or three weeks. We'd love for him to play in the next two or three months, but he has to be 100% well. And I don't know when that point will be.""

This is what D'Antoni said on Nov 11, 2008 and I'm going to take him at his word. As far as anyone is concerned, Gallinari is 100% and ready. No reason to hold him back anymore and certainly no reason to use his back as an excuse.

Based on his experience in the "superior" Euroleague and the skills we've been told he possesses, I expect his learning curve to be much shorter than for someone who played in the inferior NCAA. Seeing how the Knicks run such basic sets, it's only a matter of time before Gallinari is playing at least 20 minutes a game and showing why he was the 6th pick. I figure by the all star break.

Knicks Medical staff said he was ready to go, so did Danillo, but neither said he was 100%.

D'Antoni didn't play him, so the wait continues. If somehow declaring that you believe Gallo is 100% healthy makes you feel better, go on. But a message board's post does nothing to change the fact that it is a day-by-day issue that clearly seems to be close but not exactly at 100%.

If it helps your "Gallo is a bust" posts, fine. Suit yourself. But whether is now or in two weeks, the main objective for the Knicks and the main hope of the fans should be a 100% healthy Gallo.



No no. The Knicks are declaring that he's 100% healthy, I'm just restating that fact. Go read the bolded parts of that post your quoted. That wasn't me talking, that was the head coach of the NY Knicks.

D'Antoni's quotes, as you mentioned before, are from November. The Knicks medical staff gave Gallo the nod. Even D'Antoni, reports said, was surprised but guessed he was ready. Still, Gallo didn't play. Lets see what happens tonight and in the following days, but as another poster mentioned, Gallo's opinion should be the most important here, since its his health, and even him suggested he wasn't 100% but better enough to start the comeback. Given that fact, expectations should be low for sane fans, for masochists, expectations can be high.



He was the 6th pick in the entire draft. Please explain why expectations should be low?

Geez, I don't know, maybe because the guy is coming from an injury to start playing in mid season while in pre-season conditioning. Maybe because he has yet to play a game and get in sync with the system. Being the 6th, 5th, even 1st pick doesn't make you bulletproof, as far as I know, so since the guy still bleeds and gets injured, maybe its logical to expect a period of adaptation. I think every player coming from an injury deserves one, don't you think?



Do you read the posts you respond to or are you on autopilot with the big book of Knicks excuses and lowered expectations?

I explained that an adjustment period is to be expected but based on his experience in the Euroleague and his supposed skill level, I expect his learning curve to be a short one.

I could ask you the same thing. Your reasoning is based on experience in the Euroleague. No problem with that argument. Mine, on the other hand, is based on a player recovering from an injury, actually the point of this post. You argue that Gallo is 100% healthy based on the Knicks medical staff declaring Gallinari ready to go. I just say that an adjustment period should be expected since he is still rusty for the lack of playing time and lack of game conditioning.

But hey, if we both are willing to give him time to adjust, anything else is just semantics. Glad we agree on this.


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1/17/2009  8:48 PM
I think Isles' reasoning is based on the fact that the Knicks took him 6th overall with college studs like Bayless, Gordon and Lopez sitting on the board. Donnie definitely said that Euroleague competition that Gallinari thrived in was superior to NCAA competition. So expectations for Gallinari should be as high as they are for the college studs we passed on to take Gallo, if not higher. I'm willing to give him some time, but this back issue is either A) completely mental or B) a serious sign that this pick was a bust. A lot of us hated the pick even before the back issues. I would love to be wrong. I would love for Gallinari to be our starting SF for the next 10 years and a very good player. at 6 you expect to get that. Especially since it looks like at least Gordon, Bayless and Lopez will be starters for the rest of their careers and even DJ Augustine is looking good. All of those guys would have filled needs.
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Are you guys saying that we should have high expectations for an injured player? Does that even begin to make sense?
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Are you guys saying that we should have high expectations for an injured player? Does that even begin to make sense?

Maybe you missed the first post in this thread but based on D'Antoni's words we can assume that Gallinari is 100% healthy.
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Are you guys saying that we should have high expectations for an injured player? Does that even begin to make sense?

he played tonight. the team said he wouldn't play until he was 100% ready to go. so either they were wrong and forced him back before he was ready or his injury is chronic and we drafted damaged goods or the injury is mostly mental and we drafted damaged goods. those are pretty much the only options and none of them are good.

doesn't it make sense that people are upset that the team made an unpopular pick that neither the GM or coach ever saw play and now he's looking like he won't play significant minutes his entire rookie season?
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The draft, as any other part of sports, is a gamble. What about signing Lebron in 2010 and somehow he gets injured and can't play? What if one or many of the so-called "can't miss" disappear in the next 2 years, like it has happened before? YOU JUST NEVER KNOW, yet people here are talking like if we were 10 years beyond the 2008 draft and we knew the guys who made it or didn't.

Bro, these guys get paid millions of dollars to get these decisions right. Right now it looks like a very questionable pick. Gallo was booed on draft night and he's seen three minutes of action because of some back injury that happened because of some incidental light contact in a preseason game.

You're right, the jury is still out and its way too early to start making any declarative statements like he's a bust or anything like that. But his start has been pretty rocky and fans have a right to be somewhat nervous, considering there are people picked behind him that are [jim jones] ballin![/jim jones]
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Posted by islesfan:
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Are you guys saying that we should have high expectations for an injured player? Does that even begin to make sense?

Maybe you missed the first post in this thread but based on D'Antoni's words we can assume that Gallinari is 100% healthy.

LOL! You keep ignoring the fact that GALLO himself said he wasn't 100% but will play to test his progress. But, wtf, why talking about what the guy himself said when you can ASUME what the coach meant?


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Posted by crzymdups:

the other part about Gallinari and why I don't like the pick is that he plays the one position we are completely stocked at. Harrington, Chandler, DLee, Tim, Jefferies make up 5 of the 8 guys in the rotation. we need a SG or a backup PG so much more than a Gallo type right now.

Bayless would be perfect. I cannot believe they passed on him. I really thought Bayless would go 4th.

At the draft we didn't have Harrington or Tim. At the draft we had Marbury, Crawford, Nate, Richardson & Collins to play SG.

At the draft our biggest need was a pass first PG like Duhon or a shotblocking/rebounding center.

The draft shouldn't be based on current needs now after trades that nobody not even our GM saw comming or injuries that nobody saw coming. It should be based on the talent and the impact of the player we draft on the team 2-3yrs from now.
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Gallo is healthy enough. Let's Go.
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I thought Gallinari was on the verge of retirement. I guess he put off the retirement press conference a little while longer.
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If this follows his pattern he should make an appearance again in March or April and then be ready for his summer league game.
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Posted by GKFv2:

I thought Gallinari was on the verge of retirement. I guess he put off the retirement press conference a little while longer.

He is doing it all for Isles. All he wants is his love.


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If this follows his pattern he should make an appearance again in March or April and then be ready for his summer league game.

Yeah but now he he gave his bad back to Duhon. Cover your mouth next time Gallo.
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If you are a coach of another team and you see Galinari out there--what would you do? I would immediately find my 265 pound PF and tell him to remind Gallo that he's playing with the big boys with a very nice hip check or two. Here comes Gallo into the paint--eww Kendrick Perkins with the nasty foul

So because of that, it immediately means he's a bad player. Gotcha.

You guys are hilarious. I have no idea what Gallinari could end up being, he could end up being a huge bust, but we're never going to know until we watch the kid play. It's friggen annoying watching the same people make the some generalizations about his game without him even playing yet.

it's even more annoying seeing the people who were never even talking about Lopez before the draft pretending like that was the no brainer choice now after a half season where Gallo hasn't even played any appreciable minutes yet.
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