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GallOfFame
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1/12/2009  9:40 PM
Posted by GKFv2:
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Posted by Uptown:
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Posted by Pharzeone:

Hornets can't shoot while Knicks play half court basketball. D'Antoni finally gets the message.

No he didn't remember it's impossible to do this with the roster we have(rolling eyes)

23 win teams are awesome. (High fives)


As long as the team plays hard with no Gimmicks yep you're right!

[Edited by - GallOfFame on 01-12-2009 9:21 PM]

I'm responding to the post you made about the roster. I'm assuming you actually think this roster is good.


We all know the roster isn't good it doesn't mean they can't play like they did in first half. Do you get it yet?


Its called inconsistentcy...Do you get it yet?


No it isn't. This team is playing almost strictly half court. No AL ISO's No shooting 3's as soon as you touch it, they are attacking the rim. Totally different style of play which most said they were in capable of playing.

Did people say they were incapable of playing or the system was incapable of being coached by D'Antoni? I think you have that confused my man.


Don't play dumb go to the thread DJ created.

The clear arguments are there. There were those who agreed with DJ our coach hasn't done a good job because we haven't been seeing what we've seen today. The detractors such as you stated he can't do what we see today because this squad is too inferior.
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1/12/2009  9:42 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Hornets can't shoot while Knicks play half court basketball. D'Antoni finally gets the message.

That's not possible. We all know it's not worth trying to do anything with this group of players.

You guys are going overboard.

This is hardly a grind it out half court set we are playing quite quickly the majority of the possessions.
We have not seen a game long SSOL offense for weeks now we had been playing slower overall for quite some time.

How are we going overboard? This team is playing smarter, better and harder than it has all season. This is what should be expected and it has nothing to do with the scoreboard. They haven't been perfect and they just might regress and lose this game but it won't matter. It's still a good sign that they look like a team that has been coached and player development isn't just something that matters in 2010. I hope they keep it up. They better because there's no reason why it shouldn't.
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1/12/2009  9:45 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Hornets can't shoot while Knicks play half court basketball. D'Antoni finally gets the message.

That's not possible. We all know it's not worth trying to do anything with this group of players.

You guys are going overboard.

This is hardly a grind it out half court set we are playing quite quickly the majority of the possessions.
We have not seen a game long SSOL offense for weeks now we had been playing slower overall for quite some time.

How are we going overboard? This team is playing smarter, better and harder than it has all season. This is what should be expected and it has nothing to do with the scoreboard. They haven't been perfect and they just might regress and lose this game but it won't matter. It's still a good sign that they look like a team that has been coached and player development isn't just something that matters in 2010. I hope they keep it up. They better because there's no reason why it shouldn't.

D'Antoni must have done a lot of coaching in the last few games, because after the last game the consensus was that he wasn't coaching. To me this just seems more evidence that it is the players.
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1/12/2009  9:46 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Hornets can't shoot while Knicks play half court basketball. D'Antoni finally gets the message.

That's not possible. We all know it's not worth trying to do anything with this group of players.

You guys are going overboard.

This is hardly a grind it out half court set we are playing quite quickly the majority of the possessions.
We have not seen a game long SSOL offense for weeks now we had been playing slower overall for quite some time.

How are we going overboard? This team is playing smarter, better and harder than it has all season. This is what should be expected and it has nothing to do with the scoreboard. They haven't been perfect and they just might regress and lose this game but it won't matter. It's still a good sign that they look like a team that has been coached and player development isn't just something that matters in 2010. I hope they keep it up. They better because there's no reason why it shouldn't.

You're going a bit overboard by insinuating this is the first game this team has played a slower style of basketball and applauding it as the sole reason for their first half success.

Around game 15 or so (I really don't recall) the minutes caught up with the team and DAntoni largely abandoned the continuous game long SSOL strategy and ran a lot slower game more often.

As to how they are playing tonight that goes to inconsistent play. Some nights they chuck some nights they attack. Tonight they're attacking more. It's nothing new they've done it several times this season using this same game plan.

Another note: The Hornets are a good defensive team. Good defensive teams have forced us out of our fast paced play into a slower style of play all season long. The Bucks did it every time we played them. So this isn't anything new.

My biggest point is this is not the first game they've played this style nor this way. You guys are hinting that it is to validate debates from earlier in the day - as if Mike D had read this forum - and taken your guys advice.
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1/12/2009  9:47 PM
I think D'Antoni has been reading this message board and tonight decided that maybe he should start coaching, and that is why the team is playing better.

You guys operate game to game and half to half. It's odd, really. Borderline Schizo
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1/12/2009  9:49 PM
time for the knicks to blow this in the 4th quarter!
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1/12/2009  9:50 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

I think D'Antoni has been reading this message board and tonight decided that maybe he should start coaching, and that is why the team is playing better.

You guys operate game to game and half to half. It's odd, really. Borderline Schizo

How do you know what he does or doesn't do? Maybe he searches fanatically on his laptop, or read every fineprint with his name in it. Maybe he thought to heart some of the questions that reporters had for him, maybe he caught Knicks 60 and said damn I got to do better. Stop acting like you have it all figured out and just enjoy the game.
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1/12/2009  9:50 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Hornets can't shoot while Knicks play half court basketball. D'Antoni finally gets the message.

That's not possible. We all know it's not worth trying to do anything with this group of players.

You guys are going overboard.

This is hardly a grind it out half court set we are playing quite quickly the majority of the possessions.
We have not seen a game long SSOL offense for weeks now we had been playing slower overall for quite some time.

How are we going overboard? This team is playing smarter, better and harder than it has all season. This is what should be expected and it has nothing to do with the scoreboard. They haven't been perfect and they just might regress and lose this game but it won't matter. It's still a good sign that they look like a team that has been coached and player development isn't just something that matters in 2010. I hope they keep it up. They better because there's no reason why it shouldn't.

D'Antoni must have done a lot of coaching in the last few games, because after the last game the consensus was that he wasn't coaching. To me this just seems more evidence that it is the players.

Maybe he has. Maybe it's not a coincidence that Walsh is traveling with the team and the trade deadline is rapidly approaching.

To me this is just more evidence that coaching and player development is vital these next 2 years regardless of who is on the roster.
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1/12/2009  9:53 PM
Posted by franco12:

time for the knicks to blow this in the 4th quarter!

So far not the case.....

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1/12/2009  9:54 PM
That was an excellent sequence. Good defense down low, good boxout to get the rebound. Then good spacing on offense, got the ball down low, kicked it out and around to the open man for an open 3.

But this roster sucks and isn't worth trying to coach.
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1/12/2009  9:55 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by Bippity10:

I think D'Antoni has been reading this message board and tonight decided that maybe he should start coaching, and that is why the team is playing better.

You guys operate game to game and half to half. It's odd, really. Borderline Schizo

How do you know what he does or doesn't do? Maybe he searches fanatically on his laptop, or read every fineprint with his name in it. Maybe he thought to heart some of the questions that reporters had for him, maybe he caught Knicks 60 and said damn I got to do better. Stop acting like you have it all figured out and just enjoy the game.


Or as every coach does, you make adjustments as the season goes along based on what you see and your staff sees.

Let's see the tone a month from now when we lose to another team we "should have beaten". On that night D'Antoni will have forgotten how to coach. Hopefully someon eon the board will call him and get him back on track.



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1/12/2009  9:56 PM
Guys please stop watching this game and please commence arguments about Eddy Curry's gay sex harassment lawsuit. Thanks.
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1/12/2009  9:57 PM
Posted by islesfan:

That was an excellent sequence. Good defense down low, good boxout to get the rebound. Then good spacing on offense, got the ball down low, kicked it out and around to the open man for an open 3.

But this roster sucks and isn't worth trying to coach.

It's funny that you of all people would sit here and approve of the roster. In essence you are basically endorsing the moves of Isiah Thomas as GM, minus the trades made this year for salary cap purposes.

So now that Isiah is gone I see you have to overreach and give him some credit to bash your new whipping boy - D'Antoni.
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1/12/2009  9:57 PM
Posted by islesfan:

That was an excellent sequence. Good defense down low, good boxout to get the rebound. Then good spacing on offense, got the ball down low, kicked it out and around to the open man for an open 3.

But this roster sucks and isn't worth trying to coach.

Who ever said this roster wasn't worth trying to coach? The guy has been coaching all year long. We just choose to see it on those nights that we win.

Isles again, do you honestly believe that this caoching has just magically improved in the past few nights? I never thought you were in the game to game group, but I guess you are.
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1/12/2009  9:58 PM
Posted by islesfan:

That was an excellent sequence. Good defense down low, good boxout to get the rebound. Then good spacing on offense, got the ball down low, kicked it out and around to the open man for an open 3.

But this roster sucks and isn't worth trying to coach.

You think this is the first game Mike D has coached the players?
You think this is a good roster and it's the coach's fault it's 10 games under .500?

Really?

Me thinks your fuel mixture is a tad off tonight.

On the flip side, at least you're rooting for us to win, even if you're seeking to use it to validate your POV.
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1/12/2009  10:01 PM
Good timeout call.
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1/12/2009  10:04 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by Bippity10:

I think D'Antoni has been reading this message board and tonight decided that maybe he should start coaching, and that is why the team is playing better.

You guys operate game to game and half to half. It's odd, really. Borderline Schizo

How do you know what he does or doesn't do? Maybe he searches fanatically on his laptop, or read every fineprint with his name in it. Maybe he thought to heart some of the questions that reporters had for him, maybe he caught Knicks 60 and said damn I got to do better. Stop acting like you have it all figured out and just enjoy the game.


Or as every coach does, you make adjustments as the season goes along based on what you see and your staff sees.

Let's see the tone a month from now when we lose to another team we "should have beaten". On that night D'Antoni will have forgotten how to coach. Hopefully someon eon the board will call him and get him back on track.

It's funny how some people want it both ways. When there's no evidence of coaching or adjustments, the players aren't worth coaching. You know, because nobody could coach this group. Now when coaching is apparent and adjustments have obviously been made, it's just a natural season long progression.

You're funny.
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1/12/2009  10:05 PM
lovers (Bip, Larry Clown would be so disappointed) what is with all the hostility. Why can't we just enjoy a good game of Knick basketball. The players are doing ok and the coach is earning his pay. Let's stop the bickering.
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1/12/2009  10:07 PM
Posted by islesfan:

It's funny how some people want it both ways. When there's no evidence of coaching or adjustments, the players aren't worth coaching. You know, because nobody could coach this group. Now when coaching is apparent and adjustments have obviously been made, it's just a natural season long progression.

You're funny.

So, Isles, this is the first game of the year that we've played this style and found ourselves leading a game?

We've played this way no less than half the season....have you not watched until tonight?

You really believe Mike D rarely coaches the team!?
You like this roster now!?

You're definitely off the deep end tonight.
What's next? You're going to tell us you're upset with the Zach/Craw trades and want us to re-sign them in 2011?
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1/12/2009  10:07 PM
Seriously, save it for the Curry sex harassment thread....
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