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1/11/2009  4:24 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

again, bron will come to ny if he's more concerned about his $$$ and shine...if he cares more about winning, then he won't.

& why can't he come here to accomplish both? KG OK'd a trade to come to the worst team in the NBA last year, u think he had no interest in winning?
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1/11/2009  4:28 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by djsunyc:

again, bron will come to ny if he's more concerned about his $$$ and shine...if he cares more about winning, then he won't.

& why can't he come here to accomplish both? KG OK'd a trade to come to the worst team in the NBA last year, u think he had no interest in winning?

TMS do you really want to compare the situation in Minny with that of Cleveland?
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1/11/2009  4:34 PM
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I never bought into this idea that LeBron is going to come and save is in 2010. Not saying it can't happen, but to me that isn't the point of Walsh's moves. Isn't the idea to get under the cap and stop being a repository for all of the league's trash?

No it isn't because you just become Chicago post Micheal Jordan. Plenty of cap space but no one to spend it on.


So whats the alternative?

Make trades. If Bosh is a guy you want to target in 2010 why not go out and get him this season. Show everyone that you are not putting all your eggs in one basket. Be proactive. BTW, it seems like Donnie maybe doing just that with the Shawn Marion talk. That ain't a 2010 friendly contract for sure.
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1/11/2009  4:43 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
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Posted by djsunyc:

again, bron will come to ny if he's more concerned about his $$$ and shine...if he cares more about winning, then he won't.

& why can't he come here to accomplish both? KG OK'd a trade to come to the worst team in the NBA last year, u think he had no interest in winning?

TMS do you really want to compare the situation in Minny with that of Cleveland?

i'm making reference to Boston being the worst team in the NBA & still being able to attract guys over there to play... don't try to infer that KG was traded there & had no choice in the matter or that any place was better than Minny for KG to play... Boston was an absolute joke following the '06 NBA season & yet KG didn't stand in the way of being traded there cuz he knew he'd have a chance to win playing alongside Pierce & Ray Allen... don't tell me Lebron won't wanna come here in 2 years if we have the cap space to sign up 2 bigname guys & another 2nd tier talent... none of us have a clue as to what his intentions are & what the situation will be in 2 years at this point.
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1/11/2009  4:44 PM
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I never bought into this idea that LeBron is going to come and save is in 2010. Not saying it can't happen, but to me that isn't the point of Walsh's moves. Isn't the idea to get under the cap and stop being a repository for all of the league's trash?

No it isn't because you just become Chicago post Micheal Jordan. Plenty of cap space but no one to spend it on.


So whats the alternative?

Make trades. If Bosh is a guy you want to target in 2010 why not go out and get him this season. Show everyone that you are not putting all your eggs in one basket. Be proactive. BTW, it seems like Donnie maybe doing just that with the Shawn Marion talk. That ain't a 2010 friendly contract for sure.

mind telling me how u're gonna convince TOR of trading their franchise player to us for what we have to offer?
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1/11/2009  5:23 PM
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I think I would feel more confident about the plan if Gallo was developing, we had a few other up incoming players, and more then one draft pick. Also in Boston's case they Al Jefferson (who subsequently is on my fantasy league team) and that's a big asset and Bos also owned the Jeff Green draft pick(who is on my fantasy league team as well) point being if your not on my fantasy league team you suck LOL. Seriously I just think that if you can offer teams a potential all-star and a top 5 pick is a big difference, to where the Knicks might be in 2010. Though I freely admit to not being fully versed in the inner workings of pro ball management.

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1/11/2009  5:34 PM

I though tearing down the team 11 games in was a horrible decision. The knicks don't have any ability now to show teams/players that they could be good with this team. If Walsh let's the team play for half a season worse case you are trading players for cap space anyway. I personally think the team we had before the trade would be 500 right now. And That increases everybodies value and most importantly the teams value. That brings in more assets when we let Zach and Jamal go. Now all we have is to hope that somebody actaully values Lee for what he is worth........ WTF!!! That's all this team has right now........

But now as things stand the end game is narrow to one date in two years, we have to sign a player in 2010. Because there is no rookie who can effect this team next year. We will need to keep salaries low so there will be no players coming in. This team will stink bad and we have to hope now a player sees the good in coming here.

So instead just dumping our best two players for nothing, wouldn't be easier to trade them for a player you want or players other teams want at the end of a "7 second" offensive infused season with the players performing better??? That's what I thought, but all we have is hoping now.
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1/11/2009  5:37 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by Uptown:
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Posted by BasketballJones:

I never bought into this idea that LeBron is going to come and save is in 2010. Not saying it can't happen, but to me that isn't the point of Walsh's moves. Isn't the idea to get under the cap and stop being a repository for all of the league's trash?

No it isn't because you just become Chicago post Micheal Jordan. Plenty of cap space but no one to spend it on.


So whats the alternative?

Make trades. If Bosh is a guy you want to target in 2010 why not go out and get him this season. Show everyone that you are not putting all your eggs in one basket. Be proactive. BTW, it seems like Donnie maybe doing just that with the Shawn Marion talk. That ain't a 2010 friendly contract for sure.

mind telling me how u're gonna convince TOR of trading their franchise player to us for what we have to offer?

By telling them to get over Bosh. We all know he isn't going to re-sign with you. Get real and make a move before it turns into another Vince situation. That's how you do it. Convince them that it is hopeless and he will be playing in NY anyway.
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1/11/2009  5:40 PM
Posted by Anji:


I though tearing down the team 11 games in was a horrible decision. The knicks don't have any ability now to show teams/players that they could be good with this team. If Walsh let's the team play for half a season worse case you are trading players for cap space anyway. I personally think the team we had before the trade would be 500 right now. And That increases everybodies value and most importantly the teams value. That brings in more assets when we let Zach and Jamal go. Now all we have is to hope that somebody actaully values Lee for what he is worth........ WTF!!! That's all this team has right now........

But now as things stand the end game is narrow to one date in two years, we have to sign a player in 2010. Because there is no rookie who can effect this team next year. We will need to keep salaries low so there will be no players coming in. This team will stink bad and we have to hope now a player sees the good in coming here.

So instead just dumping our best two players for nothing, wouldn't be easier to trade them for a player you want or players other teams want at the end of a "7 second" offensive infused season with the players performing better??? That's what I thought, but all we have is hoping now.

That's why I am advocating being proactive with Bosh. His team isn't going anywhere and they have to know that there is no chance he will re-sign with them.
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1/11/2009  5:45 PM
Posted by Anji:


I though tearing down the team 11 games in was a horrible decision. The knicks don't have any ability now to show teams/players that they could be good with this team. If Walsh let's the team play for half a season worse case you are trading players for cap space anyway. I personally think the team we had before the trade would be 500 right now. And That increases everybodies value and most importantly the teams value. That brings in more assets when we let Zach and Jamal go. Now all we have is to hope that somebody actaully values Lee for what he is worth........ WTF!!! That's all this team has right now........

But now as things stand the end game is narrow to one date in two years, we have to sign a player in 2010. Because there is no rookie who can effect this team next year. We will need to keep salaries low so there will be no players coming in. This team will stink bad and we have to hope now a player sees the good in coming here.

So instead just dumping our best two players for nothing, wouldn't be easier to trade them for a player you want or players other teams want at the end of a "7 second" offensive infused season with the players performing better??? That's what I thought, but all we have is hoping now.

i think that's a pretty fair conclusion to reach in hindsight... u could easily argue that keeping Jamal & Zach may have netted u better value at the trade deadline i guess... speaking for myself however, i'm glad they made those trades when they did, because we may have been headed to making some foolish trade to try & eek out a playoff berth if we were close to a .500 record at the trade deadline instead of dumping salaries, & those trades would not have been available had Jamal or Zach gotten injured before the deadline... it woulda been a big risk to take to pass up a chance to unload those guys for suitable contracts & not have to give up any other assets on our end... the gamble didn't pay off in terms of W's obviously but personally i'm glad it didn't... i think that lottery pick will be more valuable to us in the long run than giving Knick fans more false hope that this current collection of players was ever gonna be good enough to sneak into the postseason.
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1/11/2009  5:46 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by TMS:
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Posted by Uptown:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by BasketballJones:

I never bought into this idea that LeBron is going to come and save is in 2010. Not saying it can't happen, but to me that isn't the point of Walsh's moves. Isn't the idea to get under the cap and stop being a repository for all of the league's trash?

No it isn't because you just become Chicago post Micheal Jordan. Plenty of cap space but no one to spend it on.


So whats the alternative?

Make trades. If Bosh is a guy you want to target in 2010 why not go out and get him this season. Show everyone that you are not putting all your eggs in one basket. Be proactive. BTW, it seems like Donnie maybe doing just that with the Shawn Marion talk. That ain't a 2010 friendly contract for sure.

mind telling me how u're gonna convince TOR of trading their franchise player to us for what we have to offer?

By telling them to get over Bosh. We all know he isn't going to re-sign with you. Get real and make a move before it turns into another Vince situation. That's how you do it. Convince them that it is hopeless and he will be playing in NY anyway.

maybe if Walsh gets down on his knees & says pretty please it might work? just playin'... come on dude, TOR ain't gonna trade him to us for anything we got... if they do become convinced they won't be able to re-sign him, then they'll trade him someplace else for better assets than what we can offer them.
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1/11/2009  5:53 PM
Posted by TMS:
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Posted by Uptown:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by BasketballJones:

I never bought into this idea that LeBron is going to come and save is in 2010. Not saying it can't happen, but to me that isn't the point of Walsh's moves. Isn't the idea to get under the cap and stop being a repository for all of the league's trash?

No it isn't because you just become Chicago post Micheal Jordan. Plenty of cap space but no one to spend it on.


So whats the alternative?

Make trades. If Bosh is a guy you want to target in 2010 why not go out and get him this season. Show everyone that you are not putting all your eggs in one basket. Be proactive. BTW, it seems like Donnie maybe doing just that with the Shawn Marion talk. That ain't a 2010 friendly contract for sure.

mind telling me how u're gonna convince TOR of trading their franchise player to us for what we have to offer?

By telling them to get over Bosh. We all know he isn't going to re-sign with you. Get real and make a move before it turns into another Vince situation. That's how you do it. Convince them that it is hopeless and he will be playing in NY anyway.

maybe if Walsh gets down on his knees & says pretty please it might work? just playin'... come on dude, TOR ain't gonna trade him to us for anything we got... if they do become convinced they won't be able to re-sign him, then they'll trade him someplace else for better assets than what we can offer them.

Hey that is better then praying that something breaks your way in 2010 when you have half the league doing the same.
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1/11/2009  5:55 PM
i don't think it is... i think we have a pretty decent shot at signing at least 1 of the top FA's in 2010, & i definitely think we have an excellent chance of signing up at least 1 or 2 of the 2nd tier guys to play alongside them.
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1/11/2009  6:01 PM
Those guys who are FA's in 2010- teams won't be looking to move them till next year's deadline if they feel they are falling out of contention.

There's one major goal left for this year. Get Curry in shape and get him in a position where you can move him for a shorter term deal. That might be impossible.

Which means there's not a lot left to watch this year.
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1/11/2009  7:07 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

again, bron will come to ny if he's more concerned about his $$$ and shine...if he cares more about winning, then he won't.

It won't be about money because Cleveland can pay him $133mil all other teams can pay him $102mil. Sorry he won't leaving $31mil if he's about his finances. The Big Market endorsement myth is just that a myth. If big name companies want him to endorse their product it really won't matter where he's playing as long as he's a winner. If you're a winner you'll get endorsement dollars from all over. But in reality endorsement dollars are dropping nationwide. Consumers aren't consuming products with the Big Names behind it like they were in the past. Endorsements won't make up a $31mil difference, plus whatever the Tax, Standard Of Living, differences there are between the two cities.

If he comes to New York it will be because he truly wants to play here and we're in position to win in the very near future. In all honesty he won't be leaving, we're going to have to settle on someone else.

[Edited by - GallOfFame on 01-11-2009 7:24 PM]
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1/11/2009  7:09 PM
It will be about winning if Lebron comes in with another top drawer FA. That alone could make this a better situation than Cleveland.

And all this we're doing is not about just signing one top ticket FA. If we play our cards correctly we will have the space for 2.
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1/11/2009  7:39 PM
Posted by VDesai:

Those guys who are FA's in 2010- teams won't be looking to move them till next year's deadline if they feel they are falling out of contention.

There's one major goal left for this year. Get Curry in shape and get him in a position where you can move him for a shorter term deal. That might be impossible.

Which means there's not a lot left to watch this year.

I have to believe the Knicks will not be able to move Curry in 2010 unless they are willing to part with our lottery pick this year. That would mean forfeiting another lottery pick which would be 3 in 5 years.
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1/11/2009  8:46 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by VDesai:

Those guys who are FA's in 2010- teams won't be looking to move them till next year's deadline if they feel they are falling out of contention.

There's one major goal left for this year. Get Curry in shape and get him in a position where you can move him for a shorter term deal. That might be impossible.

Which means there's not a lot left to watch this year.

I have to believe the Knicks will not be able to move Curry in 2010 unless they are willing to part with our lottery pick this year. That would mean forfeiting another lottery pick which would be 3 in 5 years.

Depending on where the pick is and if it's just a matter of dropping down a few spots, where they can still pick up a very good player, I'd definitely consider it.
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Posted by islesfan:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by VDesai:

Those guys who are FA's in 2010- teams won't be looking to move them till next year's deadline if they feel they are falling out of contention.

There's one major goal left for this year. Get Curry in shape and get him in a position where you can move him for a shorter term deal. That might be impossible.

Which means there's not a lot left to watch this year.

I have to believe the Knicks will not be able to move Curry in 2010 unless they are willing to part with our lottery pick this year. That would mean forfeiting another lottery pick which would be 3 in 5 years.

Depending on where the pick is and if it's just a matter of dropping down a few spots, where they can still pick up a very good player, I'd definitely consider it.

I dont see a team taking on Curry to move up 6 spots and of course if we were in position 1-5 I think we can get a player who is more valuable than trading down. I think it would be a atrade or a team that had something like ending contract + pick 25 for pick 7--weve been down that road in 2002 and it didnt work out well to say the least
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1/11/2009  11:32 PM
Knicks should not trade their pick this year under any circumstances... we're already set up to have cap space to offer any max FA a contract in 2010... what Donnie should be focusing on right now is trying to get maximum value out of either D Lee or Nate in a trade, or both, & seeing if he can't unload either Curry or Fishlips in the process... that would accomplish the ends we're looking for & we would still have our pick to build for the future.
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