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1/10/2009  10:45 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

imho, d'antoni is part of the 2010 plan. he just got here earlier than expected.

Then what plan is that really. Get Lebron. Get Wade. What is the coach really doing then, if it is only about the players? I mean is Mike Brown's only job is to tell Lebron to go win games? What's to say Phil Jackson isn't part of the 2010 plan? Maybe, Lebron wants to bring Mike Brown along with him at time. Maybe Mike Brown's stock is higher than D'Antoni after winning a championship.

I don't think ever recall a team that gives a coach a two year period to do nothing because they rebuilding plan in place. Hell even PJ got fired and everyone knew that team was rebuilding.
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1/10/2009  10:46 PM
The main problem with the Knicks: They are content to have a lead or as long as they are in the game. They give up when they're shots aren't falling. It's like playground ball...if we win, OK, if we lose....well we tried!! They have no aggression to want to win every game.

They had no intention of trying to get back in this game when the 4th quarter started. Terrible loss especially with Artest/McGrady out.
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1/10/2009  10:48 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by djsunyc:

imho, d'antoni is part of the 2010 plan. he just got here earlier than expected.

Then what plan is that really. Get Lebron. Get Wade. What is the coach really doing then, if it is only about the players? I mean is Mike Brown's only job is to tell Lebron to go win games? What's to say Phil Jackson isn't part of the 2010 plan? Maybe, Lebron wants to bring Mike Brown along with him at time. Maybe Mike Brown's stock is higher than D'Antoni after winning a championship.

I don't think ever recall a team that gives a coach a two year period to do nothing because they rebuilding plan in place. Hell even PJ got fired and everyone knew that team was rebuilding.

considering duhon was signed for 2 years and zach was traded for no talent, the plan is to roll the dice in 2010 and hope for the best.
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1/10/2009  10:50 PM
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by GallOfFame:
Posted by TMS:
Another horrible performance by the team under coach Pringles.

He's not that good guys sorry. He needs an Elite squad to be an Elite coach like any other average coach.

can u name me 1 head coach in the NBA that doesn't need an elite squad to be an elite coach? what has Phil Jackson ever proven w/o the best players on his teams? Pat Riley looked pretty awful as a coach last year w/o a healthy D Wade... Pop has Duncan, Parker & Ginobili on his teams in SA... what does MDA have to work with? come on, stop looking at the coach & start realizing that this roster won't win u many games no matter who's coaching them.


How are the Rockets working us with Hayes, Wafer, Landry, Brooks, Barry? Our coach said the trades made the team better. So was he lying? If he was then can we take him for his word on other things?


What player or players is thriving under our coach?


When we were winning earlier in the season he was getting all the credit for what looked like a turnaround. Now that we're losing he's absolved from blame?


Doesn't make since.


He was brought here to be a difference maker. Right now he's failing. If it isn't his fault then our GM deserves blame.


[Edited by - GallOfFame on 01-10-2009 10:31 PM]

He was brought here to blow this team open, to clean up the crap by increasing the value of Isiah booms.
He did with some (Zack, Craf) and he will try to do with others (Eddy, Jeffries).
He also was asked to investigate what our young promising players can do and if it is worth to trade them or keep them and for how much. He is doing very well in this area.
Now they need to lose as much games as possible and I am very satisfied lately how they execute it.
Also he took extra responsibility on himself to make it entertaining and bring some tickets and season plan holders back. It probably worked for some and is not a priority any more.



He didn't increase the value of Zach or Craw.

2yrs ago Craw was in the discussion of going to Denver for Miller but the deal fell through, we backed out. Craw was traded for Harrington. Who has more value Andre Miller or Harrington? Zach was traded to us for Frye and Francis(2yrs $33mil left on deal) we traded Zach for Thomas and Mobley how was his value raised?


Young players you speak of? How's Nate doing? Lee steady player but no major offers have been made for him, some moderate ones. Chandler is the only player showing some signs but very inconsistent. Then again this is Chan's first yr getting real minutes so who knows how good he was if had received minutes the previous seasons.

I don't see anything standing out right now.
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1/10/2009  10:52 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by djsunyc:

imho, d'antoni is part of the 2010 plan. he just got here earlier than expected.

Then what plan is that really. Get Lebron. Get Wade. What is the coach really doing then, if it is only about the players? I mean is Mike Brown's only job is to tell Lebron to go win games? What's to say Phil Jackson isn't part of the 2010 plan? Maybe, Lebron wants to bring Mike Brown along with him at time. Maybe Mike Brown's stock is higher than D'Antoni after winning a championship.

I don't think ever recall a team that gives a coach a two year period to do nothing because they rebuilding plan in place. Hell even PJ got fired and everyone knew that team was rebuilding.

considering duhon was signed for 2 years and zach was traded for no talent, the plan is to roll the dice in 2010 and hope for the best.

Proves his point, no real solid plan. How many teams in the league are doing the same?



[Edited by - GallOfFame on 01-10-2009 10:57 PM]
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1/10/2009  10:52 PM
trautwig + tripucka calling out the team and questioned d'antoni a little too...
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1/10/2009  10:53 PM
Everyone's banking on 2010. No one will want to come to a bad team. There has to be something in place to entice top tier players. For players like L. James, Bosh, Wade and most of whoever else is available, it's about the ability to win champioships, not so much about money.
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1/10/2009  10:54 PM
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by GallOfFame:
Posted by TMS:
Another horrible performance by the team under coach Pringles.

He's not that good guys sorry. He needs an Elite squad to be an Elite coach like any other average coach.

can u name me 1 head coach in the NBA that doesn't need an elite squad to be an elite coach? what has Phil Jackson ever proven w/o the best players on his teams? Pat Riley looked pretty awful as a coach last year w/o a healthy D Wade... Pop has Duncan, Parker & Ginobili on his teams in SA... what does MDA have to work with? come on, stop looking at the coach & start realizing that this roster won't win u many games no matter who's coaching them.


How are the Rockets working us with Hayes, Wafer, Landry, Brooks, Barry? Our coach said the trades made the team better. So was he lying? If he was then can we take him for his word on other things?


What player or players is thriving under our coach?


When we were winning earlier in the season he was getting all the credit for what looked like a turnaround. Now that we're losing he's absolved from blame?


Doesn't make since.


He was brought here to be a difference maker. Right now he's failing. If it isn't his fault then our GM deserves blame.


[Edited by - GallOfFame on 01-10-2009 10:31 PM]

He was brought here to blow this team open, to clean up the crap by increasing the value of Isiah booms.
He did with some (Zack, Craf) and he will try to do with others (Eddy, Jeffries).
He also was asked to investigate what our young promising players can do and if it is worth to trade them or keep them and for how much. He is doing very well in this area.
Now they need to lose as much games as possible and I am very satisfied lately how they execute it.
Also he took extra responsibility on himself to make it entertaining and bring some tickets and season plan holders back. It probably worked for some and is not a priority any more.

Clippers were interested in Randolph before D'Antoni gave him one instruction from the sideline or in practice. See this past summer posts about trades or non-trades relating to the Clippers. Crawford was rumored to be a Golden State Warrior before Walsh even showed up. Nothing new and they didn't acquire any assets other than salary dump. What did he really do with "our" young players. David Lee was a double double guy two years ago. Chandler played well when Isiah finally gave him a chance towards the end of the season and showcased himself in SL before D'Antoni even knew anything about him. I agree he is losing games, I don't think it is part of a gameplan though. Season ticket holders were shelling money to Knick games long before D'Antoni was walking the sideline. Evidence by the fact that they continue to have sell out games the last 4 years.

Your theories have been debunked.
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1/10/2009  10:55 PM
Posted by Travla:

Everyone's banking on 2010. No one will want to come to a bad team. There has to be something in place to entice top tier players. For players like L. James, Bosh, Wade and most of whoever else is available, it's about the ability to win champioships, not so much about money.

we'll see. like i said, for someone like lebron or wade, it will come down to what's more important: their own shine or winning...
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1/10/2009  10:55 PM
The Knicks should just play it like they planned the first time around. Just outscore your opponents. Look at me? I'm acting like I care!
I'll never trust this' team again.
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1/10/2009  10:57 PM
Posted by Travla:

Everyone's banking on 2010. No one will want to come to a bad team. There has to be something in place to entice top tier players.

Yes. Lot's of money and a clear vision that other talented players will come together, to NY, to play for a common goal. Win!
I'll never trust this' team again.
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1/10/2009  10:59 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

trautwig + tripucka calling out the team and questioned d'antoni a little too...

It's about F'ing time.

Clyde was calling out the signing of Roblows. Breen and Clyde called out the demeanor of the team which has been present for too long here.
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1/10/2009  11:00 PM
d'antoni "knicks have to learn how to play basketball again..."

lmao, every single non player under dolan blame the previous regime...
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1/10/2009  11:05 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

d'antoni "knicks have to learn how to play basketball again..."

lmao, every single non player under dolan blame the previous regime...

Man' he couldn't have said it any better.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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1/10/2009  11:06 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by GallOfFame:
Posted by TMS:
Another horrible performance by the team under coach Pringles.

He's not that good guys sorry. He needs an Elite squad to be an Elite coach like any other average coach.

can u name me 1 head coach in the NBA that doesn't need an elite squad to be an elite coach? what has Phil Jackson ever proven w/o the best players on his teams? Pat Riley looked pretty awful as a coach last year w/o a healthy D Wade... Pop has Duncan, Parker & Ginobili on his teams in SA... what does MDA have to work with? come on, stop looking at the coach & start realizing that this roster won't win u many games no matter who's coaching them.


How are the Rockets working us with Hayes, Wafer, Landry, Brooks, Barry? Our coach said the trades made the team better. So was he lying? If he was then can we take him for his word on other things?


What player or players is thriving under our coach?


When we were winning earlier in the season he was getting all the credit for what looked like a turnaround. Now that we're losing he's absolved from blame?


Doesn't make since.


He was brought here to be a difference maker. Right now he's failing. If it isn't his fault then our GM deserves blame.


[Edited by - GallOfFame on 01-10-2009 10:31 PM]

He was brought here to blow this team open, to clean up the crap by increasing the value of Isiah booms.
He did with some (Zack, Craf) and he will try to do with others (Eddy, Jeffries).
He also was asked to investigate what our young promising players can do and if it is worth to trade them or keep them and for how much. He is doing very well in this area.
Now they need to lose as much games as possible and I am very satisfied lately how they execute it.
Also he took extra responsibility on himself to make it entertaining and bring some tickets and season plan holders back. It probably worked for some and is not a priority any more.

Clippers were interested in Randolph before D'Antoni gave him one instruction from the sideline or in practice. See this past summer posts about trades or non-trades relating to the Clippers. Crawford was rumored to be a Golden State Warrior before Walsh even showed up. Nothing new and they didn't acquire any assets other than salary dump. What did he really do with "our" young players. David Lee was a double double guy two years ago. Chandler played well when Isiah finally gave him a chance towards the end of the season and showcased himself in SL before D'Antoni even knew anything about him. I agree he is losing games, I don't think it is part of a gameplan though. Season ticket holders were shelling money to Knick games long before D'Antoni was walking the sideline. Evidence by the fact that they continue to have sell out games the last 4 years.

Your theories have been debunked.



Broke it down better than I did good job


Wholeheartedly concur.


They haven't made an ounce of real difference yet.
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1/10/2009  11:06 PM
So they didn't have T-Mac or Artest and still lost by 20.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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1/10/2009  11:09 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

d'antoni "knicks have to learn how to play basketball again..."

lmao, every single non player under dolan blame the previous regime...

The Scott Layden effect used both by Isiah Thomas and even Lenny Wilkens in 2004. Effective smokescreen.
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1/10/2009  11:19 PM
Posted by Travla:

Everyone's banking on 2010. No one will want to come to a bad team. There has to be something in place to entice top tier players. For players like L. James, Bosh, Wade and most of whoever else is available, it's about the ability to win champioships, not so much about money.

what exactly did the Celtics have in place before they put their team together last season? do u think KG didn't have a say in where he wanted to be traded to? he went to the league's worst team to play alongside Pierce & Allen cuz he knew he'd have a chance to win there... why wouldn't the same apply to the Knicks' situation if someone like Lebron or Wade knew he was gonna be playing alongside another top name FA like Bosh for example? i wish people would stop rehashing this same old tired argument that no one will want to come here in 2010 cuz we suck right now... ain't no way anyone of us can predict what's gonna happen in 2010... the point was all along that we needed to have options... nothing has changed in that regard, i don't care if we lose every game from now til the end of the season.
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1/10/2009  11:21 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Travla:

Everyone's banking on 2010. No one will want to come to a bad team. There has to be something in place to entice top tier players. For players like L. James, Bosh, Wade and most of whoever else is available, it's about the ability to win champioships, not so much about money.

what exactly did the Celtics have in place before they put their team together last season? do u think KG didn't have a say in where he wanted to be traded to? he went to the league's worst team to play alongside Pierce & Allen cuz he knew he'd have a chance to win there... why wouldn't the same apply to the Knicks' situation if someone like Lebron or Wade knew he was gonna be playing alongside another top name FA like Bosh for example? i wish people would stop rehashing this same old tired argument that no one will want to come here in 2010 cuz we suck right now... ain't no way anyone of us can predict what's gonna happen in 2010... the point was all along that we needed to have options... nothing has changed in that regard, i don't care if we lose every game from now til the end of the season.

Agree with you TMS. It's the same tired arguments here; D'Antoni, Gallo, 2010.
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1/10/2009  11:22 PM
Posted by GallOfFame:
Posted by TMS:
Another horrible performance by the team under coach Pringles.

He's not that good guys sorry. He needs an Elite squad to be an Elite coach like any other average coach.

can u name me 1 head coach in the NBA that doesn't need an elite squad to be an elite coach? what has Phil Jackson ever proven w/o the best players on his teams? Pat Riley looked pretty awful as a coach last year w/o a healthy D Wade... Pop has Duncan, Parker & Ginobili on his teams in SA... what does MDA have to work with? come on, stop looking at the coach & start realizing that this roster won't win u many games no matter who's coaching them.


How are the Rockets working us with Hayes, Wafer, Landry, Brooks, Barry? Our coach said the trades made the team better. So was he lying? If he was then can we take him for his word on other things?


What player or players is thriving under our coach?


When we were winning earlier in the season he was getting all the credit for what looked like a turnaround. Now that we're losing he's absolved from blame?


Doesn't make since.


He was brought here to be a difference maker. Right now he's failing. If it isn't his fault then our GM deserves blame.


[Edited by - GallOfFame on 01-10-2009 10:31 PM]

first season in Phoenix MDA came on & they struggled... then they acquired some good players & they took off from there... i don't expect anything different here... to expect a head coach to come in & make some kinda difference w/this current collection of players is unreasonable... u can bring Red Auerbach here to coach these guys & they still wouldn't make the playoffs.
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