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I keep seeing posters saying they are upset with this or that player, the coach, the GM, our draft pick, etc. But I wonder: Has this season really turned out that much worse than you expected? Which of the following best describes your thinking?
I'm disappointed in the way things are going this season
It's just another horrible Knick season, which I'm used to
We are rebuilding. 2010 baby!
Who cares about the Knicks? I'm a Raptors fan
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1/7/2009  4:08 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
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This reminds me of the LB is going to turn us into Phoenix East days on this board(ironic that Phoenix turned it around with the coach we now hatte). I was vilified for not thinking that LB could turn us around overnight. I warned and warned. I barked and barked. I pointed at the well. I said LB would not win here until we destroyed that roster. It was obvious. No great analysis on my part. Now 3 years later, not only is the roster just as disjointed, but some of the guys have had 3 more years developing habits under the tutelage of such veterans as Stephon Marbury, Eddie Curry and Steve Francis.

I warned you that saying it was okay to quit on a coach because you don't like him was going to haunt these players for ever. Here we are 3 years later and our players are still talking about learning how to "bring it" all the time.

Now the process of eliminating the habits begins. You first hire a GM/coach that are on the same page. You then evaluate the players. You then rid yourself of those players that either don't fit or can't change their habits. You keep the one's that do. Then you bring in veteran leaders who play hard every nght that can eliminate all bad habits(Kedrick Perkins will never take a night off the rest of his life). Hopefully in that tim eyou bring in a star to finalize the deal.

In the meantime, YOU AIN'T WINNING. Bip is telling you, but for some reason you aren't listening.

You do like to preach at us, don't you.

i do enjoy it actually

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1/7/2009  4:35 PM
Posted by martin:
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Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Bippity10:

23 wins
33 wins
23 wins

33 games into the next regime's tenure we already have fans calling them idiots and ready to abandon ship on their "stupid plans". We ran hall of famers out of town so why should Mike be any different? Did anyone really expect us to go from 23 wins to 38-45 wins? What were you expecting. We keep saying that we should beat teams like the Timberwolves and the Thunder etc. Idiots! We are the Timberwolves and the Thunder. The sooner you get that in your head, the sooner you will be at peace with what is going on. No coach is coming in here and winning right away. It's going to take time.

Maybe I was wrong, maybe you can't rebuild in NY.

i guarantee it would be more palatable to knicks fans if gallo was playing. unlike the wolves or thunder (who have lotto picks), the knicks are not trotting out any lotto pick which signifies hope. chandler, lee & nate were not lotto picks so the *hope* moniker isn't attached to them automatically like it would for gallo.

Combined that with the fact that many fans did not like the pick as you recall the NBA lottery when he was soundly booed. I think it is an accumulation of many factors. Many fans and sport writers were against the hire of the coach as well.


That's where most of it comes from. We werren't happy with the Dantoni hire so we are attacking his every move. When in reality no coach was winning with this group. NO matter who was hired we had to tear the shiot up.

Yeah but he is getting paid the big bucks. I think he is now the highest paid coach in the league so he doesn't get to use excuses that say a Mark Jackson would be able to use. That is a way of life. The same go for players as well. Once you get top money expectations take on another level.

that kind of logic don't work. If you hire a hot-shot CEO for a company that is failing and pay him big bucks do you expect a very quick turn-around because you are paying him big bucks? No. Depending how deep the doo-doo is, you gotta be patient.

Believe it or not but yes. That is why many top paid CEOs are quickly dismissed before serving out their contracts. See AOL, HP and Emerson as perfect examples. That is the way of life. Whether you like the logic or not. As one of my ex-bosses told me as he was clearing out his desk with a smile "sink or swim".
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1/7/2009  4:36 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by martin:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Bippity10:

23 wins
33 wins
23 wins

33 games into the next regime's tenure we already have fans calling them idiots and ready to abandon ship on their "stupid plans". We ran hall of famers out of town so why should Mike be any different? Did anyone really expect us to go from 23 wins to 38-45 wins? What were you expecting. We keep saying that we should beat teams like the Timberwolves and the Thunder etc. Idiots! We are the Timberwolves and the Thunder. The sooner you get that in your head, the sooner you will be at peace with what is going on. No coach is coming in here and winning right away. It's going to take time.

Maybe I was wrong, maybe you can't rebuild in NY.

i guarantee it would be more palatable to knicks fans if gallo was playing. unlike the wolves or thunder (who have lotto picks), the knicks are not trotting out any lotto pick which signifies hope. chandler, lee & nate were not lotto picks so the *hope* moniker isn't attached to them automatically like it would for gallo.

Combined that with the fact that many fans did not like the pick as you recall the NBA lottery when he was soundly booed. I think it is an accumulation of many factors. Many fans and sport writers were against the hire of the coach as well.


That's where most of it comes from. We werren't happy with the Dantoni hire so we are attacking his every move. When in reality no coach was winning with this group. NO matter who was hired we had to tear the shiot up.

Yeah but he is getting paid the big bucks. I think he is now the highest paid coach in the league so he doesn't get to use excuses that say a Mark Jackson would be able to use. That is a way of life. The same go for players as well. Once you get top money expectations take on another level.

that kind of logic don't work. If you hire a hot-shot CEO for a company that is failing and pay him big bucks do you expect a very quick turn-around because you are paying him big bucks? No. Depending how deep the doo-doo is, you gotta be patient.

Believe it or not but yes. That is why many top paid CEOs are quickly dismissed before serving out their contracts. See AOL, HP and Emerson as perfect examples. That is the way of life. Whether you like the logic or not. As one of my ex-bosses told me as he was clearing out his desk with a smile "sink or swim".

Is there such thing as a rebuilding situation that takes time? Or are all highly paid coaches expected to win right away regardless of the roster?
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1/7/2009  4:37 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by martin:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Bippity10:

23 wins
33 wins
23 wins

33 games into the next regime's tenure we already have fans calling them idiots and ready to abandon ship on their "stupid plans". We ran hall of famers out of town so why should Mike be any different? Did anyone really expect us to go from 23 wins to 38-45 wins? What were you expecting. We keep saying that we should beat teams like the Timberwolves and the Thunder etc. Idiots! We are the Timberwolves and the Thunder. The sooner you get that in your head, the sooner you will be at peace with what is going on. No coach is coming in here and winning right away. It's going to take time.

Maybe I was wrong, maybe you can't rebuild in NY.

i guarantee it would be more palatable to knicks fans if gallo was playing. unlike the wolves or thunder (who have lotto picks), the knicks are not trotting out any lotto pick which signifies hope. chandler, lee & nate were not lotto picks so the *hope* moniker isn't attached to them automatically like it would for gallo.

Combined that with the fact that many fans did not like the pick as you recall the NBA lottery when he was soundly booed. I think it is an accumulation of many factors. Many fans and sport writers were against the hire of the coach as well.


That's where most of it comes from. We werren't happy with the Dantoni hire so we are attacking his every move. When in reality no coach was winning with this group. NO matter who was hired we had to tear the shiot up.

Yeah but he is getting paid the big bucks. I think he is now the highest paid coach in the league so he doesn't get to use excuses that say a Mark Jackson would be able to use. That is a way of life. The same go for players as well. Once you get top money expectations take on another level.

that kind of logic don't work. If you hire a hot-shot CEO for a company that is failing and pay him big bucks do you expect a very quick turn-around because you are paying him big bucks? No. Depending how deep the doo-doo is, you gotta be patient.

Believe it or not but yes. That is why many top paid CEOs are quickly dismissed before serving out their contracts. See AOL, HP and Emerson as perfect examples. That is the way of life. Whether you like the logic or not. As one of my ex-bosses told me as he was clearing out his desk with a smile "sink or swim".

You ever wonder why Phil Jackson only goes to teams that have the greatest players in the world?
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1/7/2009  4:37 PM
I'm not happy...I'm an old school dude...This style of play bothers me...No real emphasis on defense...We run the pick and roll in the middle and shoot the three...Wins and losses don't really bother me but not building on something does...The players here are all on borrowed time except maybe Chandler...It's hard to root for growth knowing more than half of these guys won't be here when games matter again(hopefully soon)...

But it's rebuilding, it's a process...I'm not worried about what we currently have on the court but more what we have on the sidelines and in the management boxes...There isn't a lot of room for more risky picks like Gallinari...We need some good young players in place for 2010 just in case we are able to land a nice player...

I'm not as glued as in previous years because I don't really see any growth here...We aren't going to win many games but I loved to watch the growth of young players...Curry was interesting in the past, but has proved he wasn't interested by showing up out of shape AGAIN this year...So we see how it goes...I'm hoping for more losses and more ping pong balls...
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1/7/2009  5:01 PM
I honestly don't care. Others are ripping their hair out and others even spending their time on this forum criticizing every single thing Knicks-related(*cough Phar *cough*) but I am realistic. I know where we stand and I know what are future is. There is a light at the end of that tunnel now and there wasn't one last year. Cap space is a big deal. A very big deal. In 2010 it will have been 14 years since we last had cap flexibility. It's not a coincidence we have sucked for the better part of this decade and have been capped out. Whether we get LeBron or not is not the point. The point is there is a plan and we are following it. We haven't had a plan since the Grunfeld days.
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1/7/2009  5:20 PM
Posted by holfresh:

I'm not happy...I'm an old school dude...This style of play bothers me...No real emphasis on defense...We run the pick and roll in the middle and shoot the three...Wins and losses don't really bother me but not building on something does...The players here are all on borrowed time except maybe Chandler...It's hard to root for growth knowing more than half of these guys won't be here when games matter again(hopefully soon)...

But it's rebuilding, it's a process...I'm not worried about what we currently have on the court but more what we have on the sidelines and in the management boxes...There isn't a lot of room for more risky picks like Gallinari...We need some good young players in place for 2010 just in case we are able to land a nice player...

I'm not as glued as in previous years because I don't really see any growth here...We aren't going to win many games but I loved to watch the growth of young players...Curry was interesting in the past, but has proved he wasn't interested by showing up out of shape AGAIN this year...So we see how it goes...I'm hoping for more losses and more ping pong balls...




Good post. I'm with you. I didn't expect much. Being a diehard sometimes you can't help hoping, but let's be real, it's not a great team. Outside of Chandler and Gallinari there is nobody on this roster that has better than a 50% chance of being here in 2010, so I'm not worried to much about the current stuff. My concerns are similar to yours. Will Gallinari get healthy? How much will Chandler improve(it's fun to watch)? Are we going to be able to trade Curry or Jeffries and possibly keep Lee. If we trade Lee will we get something of quality that will stick around. Will any of the other numbskulls learn to play and stick around. The record right now isn't all that important(as much as it hurts me to say so).

[Edited by - bippity10 on 07-01-2009 5:22 PM]
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1/7/2009  5:21 PM
Listen every thing is relative. In previous years we blamed Thomas and Marbury for the mess, before them we blamed Layden and Houston for his contract. The fact of the matter is that the team is no better. Walsh did give the team cap flexibility for 2010. I am just saying it was ridiculous earlier in the season to proclaim that D'Antoni was the answer and nominate him for COY in November. You give any coach Lebron or Wade and they should look good. I asked the other day is Doc Rivers now a better coach than D'Antoni because he won a title. The previous year fans were calling him an idiot and wanted him gone. It isn't coaching. You could give Mark Jackson, Wade and Lebron and I would bet on him winning.
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1/7/2009  5:49 PM
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Listen every thing is relative. In previous years we blamed Thomas and Marbury for the mess, before them we blamed Layden and Houston for his contract. The fact of the matter is that the team is no better. Walsh did give the team cap flexibility for 2010. I am just saying it was ridiculous earlier in the season to proclaim that D'Antoni was the answer and nominate him for COY in November. You give any coach Lebron or Wade and they should look good. I asked the other day is Doc Rivers now a better coach than D'Antoni because he won a title. The previous year fans were calling him an idiot and wanted him gone. It isn't coaching. You could give Mark Jackson, Wade and Lebron and I would bet on him winning.

That's the whole point. It's about the players. We in NY make it about the coach. We give the coach a rotten roster and then we blame the coach and fire them. After 33 games, the clamor is beginning again. We seem to have forgotten that we won 23 games last year and needed to get hot at the end to do that! We seem to think we are above teams like the Timberwolves and the Bobcats and the Thunder, when in reality, WE ARE THE TIMBERWOLVES AND BOBCATS AND THE THUNDER. We get jealous about how they are building and understand that it will be a while before teams like that start winning. But for some reason we don't think it should take a while for us to start winning. They get time to make draft picks and trades and sign free agents. But for some reason we are NY and we feel that we are entitled to skip a step. We pay a coach a lot of money so we fans are entitled to an instant winner. Just add water(always wanted to say that). We don't rebuild. We just hire a magic coach who erases the need for draft picks, trades and free-agents. Our magic coach is supposed to instantly make us better or we fire him and find someone else that will allow us to skip all these steps. It's rigoshdamndiculous.

You are 100% correct, no coach is winning until he has stars on his team. All the rest is Hollywood fantasy.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 07-01-2009 5:51 PM]

[Edited by - bippity10 on 07-01-2009 5:53 PM]
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1/7/2009  5:56 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Listen every thing is relative. In previous years we blamed Thomas and Marbury for the mess, before them we blamed Layden and Houston for his contract. The fact of the matter is that the team is no better. Walsh did give the team cap flexibility for 2010. I am just saying it was ridiculous earlier in the season to proclaim that D'Antoni was the answer and nominate him for COY in November. You give any coach Lebron or Wade and they should look good. I asked the other day is Doc Rivers now a better coach than D'Antoni because he won a title. The previous year fans were calling him an idiot and wanted him gone. It isn't coaching. You could give Mark Jackson, Wade and Lebron and I would bet on him winning.

That's the whole point. It's about the players. We in NY make it about the coach. We give the coach a rotten roster and then we blame the coach and fire them. After 33 games, the clamor is beginning again. We seem to have forgotten that we won 23 games last year and needed to get hot at the end to do that! We seem to think we are above teams like the Timberwolves and the Bobcats and the Thunder, when in reality, WE ARE THE TIMBERWOLVES AND BOBCATS AND THE THUNDER. We get jealous about how they are building and understand that it will be a while before teams like that start winning. But for some reason we don't think it should take a while for us to start winning. They get time to make draft picks and trades and sign free agents. But for some reason we are NY and we feel that we are entitled to skip a step. We pay a coach a lot of money so we fans are entitled to an instant winner. Just add water(always wanted to say that). We don't rebuild. We just hire a magic coach who erases the need for draft picks, trades and free-agents. Our magic coach is supposed to instantly make us better or we fire him and find someone else that will allow us to skip all these steps. It's rigoshdamndiculous.

You are 100% correct, no coach is winning until he has stars on his team. All the rest is Hollywood fantasy.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 07-01-2009 5:51 PM]

[Edited by - bippity10 on 07-01-2009 5:53 PM]

We need to hire Gene Hackman.
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1/7/2009  6:04 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Listen every thing is relative. In previous years we blamed Thomas and Marbury for the mess, before them we blamed Layden and Houston for his contract. The fact of the matter is that the team is no better. Walsh did give the team cap flexibility for 2010. I am just saying it was ridiculous earlier in the season to proclaim that D'Antoni was the answer and nominate him for COY in November. You give any coach Lebron or Wade and they should look good. I asked the other day is Doc Rivers now a better coach than D'Antoni because he won a title. The previous year fans were calling him an idiot and wanted him gone. It isn't coaching. You could give Mark Jackson, Wade and Lebron and I would bet on him winning.

That's the whole point. It's about the players. We in NY make it about the coach. We give the coach a rotten roster and then we blame the coach and fire them. After 33 games, the clamor is beginning again. We seem to have forgotten that we won 23 games last year and needed to get hot at the end to do that! We seem to think we are above teams like the Timberwolves and the Bobcats and the Thunder, when in reality, WE ARE THE TIMBERWOLVES AND BOBCATS AND THE THUNDER. We get jealous about how they are building and understand that it will be a while before teams like that start winning. But for some reason we don't think it should take a while for us to start winning. They get time to make draft picks and trades and sign free agents. But for some reason we are NY and we feel that we are entitled to skip a step. We pay a coach a lot of money so we fans are entitled to an instant winner. Just add water(always wanted to say that). We don't rebuild. We just hire a magic coach who erases the need for draft picks, trades and free-agents. Our magic coach is supposed to instantly make us better or we fire him and find someone else that will allow us to skip all these steps. It's rigoshdamndiculous.

You are 100% correct, no coach is winning until he has stars on his team. All the rest is Hollywood fantasy.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 07-01-2009 5:51 PM]

[Edited by - bippity10 on 07-01-2009 5:53 PM]

So if the Knicks don't land one of the big 3 in 2010, then was pointless. Do you agree with that statement.
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1/7/2009  6:06 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Listen every thing is relative. In previous years we blamed Thomas and Marbury for the mess, before them we blamed Layden and Houston for his contract. The fact of the matter is that the team is no better. Walsh did give the team cap flexibility for 2010. I am just saying it was ridiculous earlier in the season to proclaim that D'Antoni was the answer and nominate him for COY in November. You give any coach Lebron or Wade and they should look good. I asked the other day is Doc Rivers now a better coach than D'Antoni because he won a title. The previous year fans were calling him an idiot and wanted him gone. It isn't coaching. You could give Mark Jackson, Wade and Lebron and I would bet on him winning.

That's the whole point. It's about the players. We in NY make it about the coach. We give the coach a rotten roster and then we blame the coach and fire them. After 33 games, the clamor is beginning again. We seem to have forgotten that we won 23 games last year and needed to get hot at the end to do that! We seem to think we are above teams like the Timberwolves and the Bobcats and the Thunder, when in reality, WE ARE THE TIMBERWOLVES AND BOBCATS AND THE THUNDER. We get jealous about how they are building and understand that it will be a while before teams like that start winning. But for some reason we don't think it should take a while for us to start winning. They get time to make draft picks and trades and sign free agents. But for some reason we are NY and we feel that we are entitled to skip a step. We pay a coach a lot of money so we fans are entitled to an instant winner. Just add water(always wanted to say that). We don't rebuild. We just hire a magic coach who erases the need for draft picks, trades and free-agents. Our magic coach is supposed to instantly make us better or we fire him and find someone else that will allow us to skip all these steps. It's rigoshdamndiculous.

You are 100% correct, no coach is winning until he has stars on his team. All the rest is Hollywood fantasy.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 07-01-2009 5:51 PM]

[Edited by - bippity10 on 07-01-2009 5:53 PM]

We need to hire Gene Hackman.

he'd walk into our lockerroom and drop one of these:

"All of you have the weekend. Decide whether or not you want to be a part of this team or not, under the following condition. What I say when it comes to this basketball team is the law, absolutely and without discussion."

The players would take the weekend, come back all fired up and then still nto play any defense.
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1/7/2009  6:13 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Listen every thing is relative. In previous years we blamed Thomas and Marbury for the mess, before them we blamed Layden and Houston for his contract. The fact of the matter is that the team is no better. Walsh did give the team cap flexibility for 2010. I am just saying it was ridiculous earlier in the season to proclaim that D'Antoni was the answer and nominate him for COY in November. You give any coach Lebron or Wade and they should look good. I asked the other day is Doc Rivers now a better coach than D'Antoni because he won a title. The previous year fans were calling him an idiot and wanted him gone. It isn't coaching. You could give Mark Jackson, Wade and Lebron and I would bet on him winning.

That's the whole point. It's about the players. We in NY make it about the coach. We give the coach a rotten roster and then we blame the coach and fire them. After 33 games, the clamor is beginning again. We seem to have forgotten that we won 23 games last year and needed to get hot at the end to do that! We seem to think we are above teams like the Timberwolves and the Bobcats and the Thunder, when in reality, WE ARE THE TIMBERWOLVES AND BOBCATS AND THE THUNDER. We get jealous about how they are building and understand that it will be a while before teams like that start winning. But for some reason we don't think it should take a while for us to start winning. They get time to make draft picks and trades and sign free agents. But for some reason we are NY and we feel that we are entitled to skip a step. We pay a coach a lot of money so we fans are entitled to an instant winner. Just add water(always wanted to say that). We don't rebuild. We just hire a magic coach who erases the need for draft picks, trades and free-agents. Our magic coach is supposed to instantly make us better or we fire him and find someone else that will allow us to skip all these steps. It's rigoshdamndiculous.

You are 100% correct, no coach is winning until he has stars on his team. All the rest is Hollywood fantasy.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 07-01-2009 5:51 PM]

[Edited by - bippity10 on 07-01-2009 5:53 PM]

We need to hire Gene Hackman.

he'd walk into our lockerroom and drop one of these:

"All of you have the weekend. Decide whether or not you want to be a part of this team or not, under the following condition. What I say when it comes to this basketball team is the law, absolutely and without discussion."

The players would take the weekend, come back all fired up and then still nto play any defense.

And in the exit interviews with the GM at the end of the season they'd say how mean Gene was to them and try to get him fired.

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1/7/2009  6:14 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Listen every thing is relative. In previous years we blamed Thomas and Marbury for the mess, before them we blamed Layden and Houston for his contract. The fact of the matter is that the team is no better. Walsh did give the team cap flexibility for 2010. I am just saying it was ridiculous earlier in the season to proclaim that D'Antoni was the answer and nominate him for COY in November. You give any coach Lebron or Wade and they should look good. I asked the other day is Doc Rivers now a better coach than D'Antoni because he won a title. The previous year fans were calling him an idiot and wanted him gone. It isn't coaching. You could give Mark Jackson, Wade and Lebron and I would bet on him winning.

That's the whole point. It's about the players. We in NY make it about the coach. We give the coach a rotten roster and then we blame the coach and fire them. After 33 games, the clamor is beginning again. We seem to have forgotten that we won 23 games last year and needed to get hot at the end to do that! We seem to think we are above teams like the Timberwolves and the Bobcats and the Thunder, when in reality, WE ARE THE TIMBERWOLVES AND BOBCATS AND THE THUNDER. We get jealous about how they are building and understand that it will be a while before teams like that start winning. But for some reason we don't think it should take a while for us to start winning. They get time to make draft picks and trades and sign free agents. But for some reason we are NY and we feel that we are entitled to skip a step. We pay a coach a lot of money so we fans are entitled to an instant winner. Just add water(always wanted to say that). We don't rebuild. We just hire a magic coach who erases the need for draft picks, trades and free-agents. Our magic coach is supposed to instantly make us better or we fire him and find someone else that will allow us to skip all these steps. It's rigoshdamndiculous.

You are 100% correct, no coach is winning until he has stars on his team. All the rest is Hollywood fantasy.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 07-01-2009 5:51 PM]

[Edited by - bippity10 on 07-01-2009 5:53 PM]

We need to hire Gene Hackman.

he'd walk into our lockerroom and drop one of these:

"All of you have the weekend. Decide whether or not you want to be a part of this team or not, under the following condition. What I say when it comes to this basketball team is the law, absolutely and without discussion."

The players would take the weekend, come back all fired up and then still nto play any defense.

And in the exit interviews with the GM at the end of the season they'd say how mean Gene was to them and try to get him fired.

He'd be stealing their joy
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1/7/2009  6:58 PM
I really am only upset about the draft. I think Walsh totally blew it. He had the sixth pick in one of the deepest drafts in history and he went for an unkown despite franchise type talent being available. I wish the organization would cut ties with Isiah and I really wanted them to hire a defense first coach. However, D' has grown on me some. I think Walsh has made some amazing trades for cap space. I think he mishandled the Marbury situation but I don't care that much because he is now where he needs to be.
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1/7/2009  8:05 PM
Posted by CrushAlot:

I really am only upset about the draft. I think Walsh totally blew it. He had the sixth pick in one of the deepest drafts in history and he went for an unkown despite franchise type talent being available. I wish the organization would cut ties with Isiah and I really wanted them to hire a defense first coach. However, D' has grown on me some. I think Walsh has made some amazing trades for cap space. I think he mishandled the Marbury situation but I don't care that much because he is now where he needs to be.

He mishandled the Marbury situation and drafting Gallo was horrible.
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1/7/2009  8:19 PM
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1/7/2009  10:47 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

23 wins
33 wins
23 wins

33 games into the next regime's tenure we already have fans calling them idiots and ready to abandon ship on their "stupid plans". We ran hall of famers out of town so why should Mike be any different? Did anyone really expect us to go from 23 wins to 38-45 wins? What were you expecting. We keep saying that we should beat teams like the Timberwolves and the Thunder etc. Idiots! We are the Timberwolves and the Thunder. The sooner you get that in your head, the sooner you will be at peace with what is going on. No coach is coming in here and winning right away. It's going to take time.

Maybe I was wrong, maybe you can't rebuild in NY.

Completely agree with this post, especially with the bold part. We aren't a mediocre team anymore. We were that with Craw and Zach, but now we are completely in rebuilding mode. Our veterans are just salary dumps. Our youngsters are either keepers or pieces of trades. Anyone else is just on their way out as soon as we can find a trading partner.

How can anyone be truly disappointed with the season in terms of winning? This wasn't the point of the season and we knew it. If you didn't, once we made the trades it was over. No playoffs nor a lot of wins. We are rebuilding with a huge date to come: 2010. We'll see what happens once there.

Meanwhile, Knicks, compete but lose. Whats the point of winning games when you are losing the biggest prize you can get: a better lottery pick.


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1/8/2009  8:15 AM
Posted by Knicksfan:
Posted by Bippity10:

23 wins
33 wins
23 wins

33 games into the next regime's tenure we already have fans calling them idiots and ready to abandon ship on their "stupid plans". We ran hall of famers out of town so why should Mike be any different? Did anyone really expect us to go from 23 wins to 38-45 wins? What were you expecting. We keep saying that we should beat teams like the Timberwolves and the Thunder etc. Idiots! We are the Timberwolves and the Thunder. The sooner you get that in your head, the sooner you will be at peace with what is going on. No coach is coming in here and winning right away. It's going to take time.

Maybe I was wrong, maybe you can't rebuild in NY.

Completely agree with this post, especially with the bold part. We aren't a mediocre team anymore. We were that with Craw and Zach, but now we are completely in rebuilding mode. Our veterans are just salary dumps. Our youngsters are either keepers or pieces of trades. Anyone else is just on their way out as soon as we can find a trading partner.

How can anyone be truly disappointed with the season in terms of winning? This wasn't the point of the season and we knew it. If you didn't, once we made the trades it was over. No playoffs nor a lot of wins. We are rebuilding with a huge date to come: 2010. We'll see what happens once there.

Meanwhile, Knicks, compete but lose. Whats the point of winning games when you are losing the biggest prize you can get: a better lottery pick.



Actually- I totally disagree with this! We are bad like the Thunder & T Wolves, but we don't have anywhere near the hope and promise in terms of young talent on the roster. And they are both well positioned in terms of the NBA Draft this year, as opposed to us who are heading for a selection in the 10-12 range and we lose what is also likely to be a mid lotto pick in 2010.

And, maybe if we had found some player from the NBDL/unproven arena better than Robersuck- maybe someone like Anthony Morrow, I could say we're trying to rebuild.

Maybe we'll get two superstar FAs in 2010. Even that is no guarantee as there is no supporting cast. And more than likely, all the big names will stay put and we'll be forced to overpay for 2nd tier talent, and we'll be looking at a team with a ceiling of mid 40 wins.

And yes, both the T Wolves and Thunder might still be bottom of the barrel, but just as likely they will develop and begin to turn the corner, and ascend much like the Trailblazers are right now.
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1/8/2009  8:16 AM
We are rebuilding. 2010 baby!

Yet other than that individual games still piss me off. That OKC game was intolerable.
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