Tru... thats the mentality that's all wrong. There's a reason only a few teams have won a championship in the last ten years.... they had the best player. Is it wrong that I want people who can get the BEST player instead of getting crap.

thanks TRU!

People around here just LOVE the "one and done"...

Bad attitude to have about your team.

What do I want? What the Knicks had in the 90s. EVERY year, in the hunt, and NBA finals appearances (should have won in 94), MSG rocking again, REAL sell-out crowds, with chants of dee-fense, dee-fense, when it actually meant something.

I must not be a fan.

OK briggs... I agree with what the NBA business model should be. But unless I'm missing something, how are the Knicks doing that? Even with Mcdyess, you think this team has a legitimate chance? The Nets have been the best team in the East two years in a row and they didn't even have a legitimate chance.

True, Tru.

I know the Knicks would be better long-term with a couple more lousy, lottery-bound seasons and hopefully getting a great young player in the draft, but when I'm watching them play, I'm rooting for them all the way. Can't help it.

And I'm hoping against hope that they turn into something better than they appear to be. For fans of most teams, that's what it's all about. Hoping your team will surpass everyone's expectations, even your own. It's easy to root for the Yankees, Lakers or Spurs, but it's a lot more satisfying to win with the Marlins.

So, if the Knicks are on the bubble, vying for that 8th seed at season's end, I'll be rooting for them all the wya, throwing **** at the TV when they screw up. You never know. Wasn't so long ago that they took their 8th seed team to the championship round.

Posted by Nedyal1:

Those true Layden bashers would rather be right than proven wrong if the team turns around. Internet trade hawks have little regard for their own players except when pproposing trades.

Checketts orchestrated the ewing departure. That was done over laydogs head. The rest is his mismanagement.

I see other teams catchingup to our bone head moves. Nets paying 60 mil for 2 georgetown centers, Toronto got and still paying for Akeem, Philly 30 mil for todd Mcullach, the list goes on.

Check Todays times arctile. Its not so pro Laydog, but its objective.

We are not getting new owners, and the Laydog not going anytime soon. So its better to recognize were are carry more youth on this team not seen in 15 years, and hopefully those kids are ready when the current crop of overpriced bloated contracts run out.

Layden has done a poor to decent job. Things that were bad ideas from the get go:
Trading for Eisley and Anderson
Signing Spoon
Trading for Erik Strickland
trading of Spree for KVH (for win now, bad.for win later, OK)
signing HOuston at the MAX when it was not necessary
Drafting Sweetney at #9
NOt solving the roster issue yet! 3 PG, 8 PF's, 1 SG...etc..


Good Moves:
Trading for Dice - If healthy this trade was a no-brainer
Signing Mutombo
Signing Doleac
Drafting Lampe, Vujanic and Fwill

I think Sweets will be a bust. Lampe was a steal and he got lucky there.

What I hate about Layden is his evasiveness. This is nY be upfront about what you are doing and how you are doing it. What I like is that NY has some young players now. THat is good. I don't like that they are riding the pine behind the likes of Spoon, Harrington and Eisley! If the VETS were better players, I would not mind it so much, but they are not. Let the kids develop. I doubt it would cost NY more than a game or two in the standings, if that!

I think DOLAN is an idiot.

I think Chaney is finally settling into the job...maybe. The guy is 65-96 overall! It has taken him 2 years to get the guys to play his style! That is nuts and it is bad leadership. Although, I do like that he has igured out that Deke needs to anchor the middle finally and he has adjusted his rotation. I like FWILL playing and Chaney trying to develop him. I do notlike Chaney's lack of fire on the bench. He needs to have more fire, this is nY!!

I will root for NY to win now. I don't like the current leadership, but if they win, they deserve credit. If not, they deserve to be fired. If Dice is 85% of what he was (17/9), NY COULD BE An EAST contender. Indy is clearly the best right now (new coach, new attitude). After that it will be up for grabs. If Dice is playing well, can NY beat Indy? Sure, why not but lets get there first.


I stand by pre-season prediction of 40 wins, based on no Dice. A healthy Dice for the last 4 months should move that to 42-43. If Chaney is a good coach, 45 is attainable. That might win the Atlantic. The pressure is on him, if NY stays healthy from here on in.

Like I always say, "Go NY Go NY Go!"

Okay, so let's say the Knicks make the playoffs...Then what? Ousted in the first round. I am against management and you know what? Dolan wants SUCKERS like us Knick Fans to fill the Garden seats. If you want Dolan out, and Layden out and Chaney out, we need to not make the playoffs, and with that said, losing is the best option. Yes it feels good to win, but we need to lose for the future. And when we lose, we WIN. Is that too hard to understand?

Posted by LongIslandKnicksFan:

Okay, so let's say the Knicks make the playoffs...Then what? Ousted in the first round. I am against management and you know what? Dolan wants SUCKERS like us Knick Fans to fill the Garden seats. If you want Dolan out, and Layden out and Chaney out, we need to not make the playoffs, and with that said, losing is the best option. Yes it feels good to win, but we need to lose for the future. And when we lose, we WIN. Is that too hard to understand?

Just look the Spurs--- they traded that awful season they had for what became TWO NBA rings. What good is barely making .500, and say we end being 9th in the East? That will again lead to a lousy draft spot, where Layden will screw up, since he has no real eye for talent.

The Spurs tanked the season so that they could draft Duncan...

These teams were BUILT to CONTEND for a TITLE and they did. They got the best player they could, and supported him with great role players and sidekicks.

I wonder what this knick team was built for....

Playa, Tru..would like to answer this?

Robinson was out for the season, Celts had the worst record, Spurs got real lucky.

I do want the rookies to play. They need to be rostered first.

I though chaney did a fine job last season with the team he had. They played up to most of ability. They lacked size, quickness, and were old.

I recognize all the mistakes that were made, and tried to understand them. Its done.

Laydog lacks the outgoing character for a GM in NY. I agree. He has made mistakes, I agree. But I like the guy never the less and root for him to turn it around. we all love turn around stories, and I don't think the guy is in capable. We can see changes, more youth, a pipeline, 2nd year player starting to get minutes, etc.

He dug a big hole by bad contracts and circumstance. We are in the very early stages of what everybody wants, its just going to take time. If he can create a competitive team and rebuild, that would be nice. Milos could be a star, we need to find out next year!