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1/2/2009  12:11 PM
Posted by Solace:
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Marbury is such an idiot. Why he does not just take $17-$18 mill and go on his way is beyond me. Classic example of cutting off your nose to spite your face. If I am Walsh, I tell Marbury we will give you $17 mill and you can go whereever you want, or else, you can sit home for the rest of the year. Take it or leave it.

This is the one situation where I think Marbury knows what he's doing and has a clear plan. We just don't like it, because we hoped he cared about more. Marbury is proving that his only motivation is money; not basketball.

Unfortunately for him, I think the damage he's caused to himself over the last two years, I seriously doubt he'll come anywhere close to sniffing even half of $21 million for the rest of his career combined.

That's really my point. He is losing the little credibility he had left. He could have taken the $17 million at the begining of the season, played the role of the good professional and backed up Rondo in Boston. If the Celtics won the championship or at least, if Marbury played well and stayed out of trouble, he could have probably parlayed that into getting a 3-4 year deal this summer for $8-$9 million per year. Now he would be lucky to get the full MLE. So to spite the Knicks for the sake of getting an extra $4 million, he probably has cost himself $10-$15 million over the course of his remaining career, not to be mention the hit his already damaged reputation is taking.
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1/2/2009  12:28 PM
Posted by TheGame:
Posted by Solace:
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Marbury is such an idiot. Why he does not just take $17-$18 mill and go on his way is beyond me. Classic example of cutting off your nose to spite your face. If I am Walsh, I tell Marbury we will give you $17 mill and you can go whereever you want, or else, you can sit home for the rest of the year. Take it or leave it.

This is the one situation where I think Marbury knows what he's doing and has a clear plan. We just don't like it, because we hoped he cared about more. Marbury is proving that his only motivation is money; not basketball.

Unfortunately for him, I think the damage he's caused to himself over the last two years, I seriously doubt he'll come anywhere close to sniffing even half of $21 million for the rest of his career combined.

That's really my point. He is losing the little credibility he had left. He could have taken the $17 million at the begining of the season, played the role of the good professional and backed up Rondo in Boston. If the Celtics won the championship or at least, if Marbury played well and stayed out of trouble, he could have probably parlayed that into getting a 3-4 year deal this summer for $8-$9 million per year. Now he would be lucky to get the full MLE. So to spite the Knicks for the sake of getting an extra $4 million, he probably has cost himself $10-$15 million over the course of his remaining career, not to be mention the hit his already damaged reputation is taking.

EXACTLY! Marbury can't get out of the way of his own stupidity... he thinks he's playing the Knicks right now, but in reality he actually played himself out of a better contract extension next season by refusing Donnie's more than fair offer.
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1/2/2009  12:34 PM
Posted by Cosmic:

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If you wait until March 2nd, to screw with his future, and end up paying him his entire salary ANYWAY, we're the ones that come off as idiots.

If he puts his original offer of 1M back on the table then you take it this time. If Donnie offers 2M then Marbury should just take it. If he doesn't and sits out the season it would not surprise me.

Yet to put a vindictive angle on it, one that shows you're just looking to punish him by messing with the potential for him to sign on a playoff roster, then we're the ones that look like jackasses here.

This should be about what is best for the Knicks and not some immature vindictive feud and the desire to try to get him over it. That's unprofessional.

Exactly. I don't mind keeping his contract around until the trade deadline but after that it's pointless and has nothing to do with anything but spite. They'd be stuck having to pay him anyway, so why not just cut the cord and acquire a player.
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1/2/2009  12:34 PM
Posted by TheGame:
Posted by Solace:
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Marbury is such an idiot. Why he does not just take $17-$18 mill and go on his way is beyond me. Classic example of cutting off your nose to spite your face. If I am Walsh, I tell Marbury we will give you $17 mill and you can go whereever you want, or else, you can sit home for the rest of the year. Take it or leave it.

This is the one situation where I think Marbury knows what he's doing and has a clear plan. We just don't like it, because we hoped he cared about more. Marbury is proving that his only motivation is money; not basketball.

Unfortunately for him, I think the damage he's caused to himself over the last two years, I seriously doubt he'll come anywhere close to sniffing even half of $21 million for the rest of his career combined.

That's really my point. He is losing the little credibility he had left. He could have taken the $17 million at the begining of the season, played the role of the good professional and backed up Rondo in Boston. If the Celtics won the championship or at least, if Marbury played well and stayed out of trouble, he could have probably parlayed that into getting a 3-4 year deal this summer for $8-$9 million per year. Now he would be lucky to get the full MLE. So to spite the Knicks for the sake of getting an extra $4 million, he probably has cost himself $10-$15 million over the course of his remaining career, not to be mention the hit his already damaged reputation is taking.

Right. He doesn't have that long term vision to realize all of the self-inflicted damage. But he is still a very lucky guy, getting paid $21 million to not play.
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1/2/2009  12:40 PM
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Posted by Cosmic:

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If you wait until March 2nd, to screw with his future, and end up paying him his entire salary ANYWAY, we're the ones that come off as idiots.

If he puts his original offer of 1M back on the table then you take it this time. If Donnie offers 2M then Marbury should just take it. If he doesn't and sits out the season it would not surprise me.

Yet to put a vindictive angle on it, one that shows you're just looking to punish him by messing with the potential for him to sign on a playoff roster, then we're the ones that look like jackasses here.

This should be about what is best for the Knicks and not some immature vindictive feud and the desire to try to get him over it. That's unprofessional.

Exactly. I don't mind keeping his contract around until the trade deadline but after that it's pointless and has nothing to do with anything but spite. They'd be stuck having to pay him anyway, so why not just cut the cord and acquire a player.

we already have an open roster spot to sign a player right now if we want because of Mobley's retirement regardless... if after the trade deadline no 2 for 1 type deal comes along that Walsh is interested in, what motivation does he have to buy out Marbury at anything less than the $3 mil off buyout he's already offered? he can still sign PEJ to a contract to fill the last remaining roster spot if he wants even w/Marbury still left in limbo... if he needs an extra roster spot, he can simply cut Anthony Roberson's useless behind too.
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1/2/2009  12:40 PM
Posted by Nalod:

I don't watch the celts.

Watching the Wacky KG and his super intense nut job act is really too much on me. I appreciate his talent, but the team is unwatchable.

Marbury would be a perfect suck up on that act to prove he still has his cred.

It would also sell alot of sneakers if he can make a deep run in the playoffs.

This guy really made a DVD about his work outs last summer? I want a copy.

Does the Celtics have no. 3 retired or being used?

What a wacky group the Celts have become. Too bad Spree could not make a comeback and join them.


I agree, KG is a great talent, just too over the top for me to bear at times..

Marbury should fit right in...

can't wait until he tells Doc Rivers to go "F" himself and if he doesn't play him, he is going to uneleash all the "dirt" he has on him..


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1/2/2009  12:42 PM
Posted by TMS:
Accommodating him means we accommodate ourselves.

that's BS... continuing to accomodate idiot primadonnas like him means this franchise is making it known to the world that you can come here & act like an idiot all you want, ur gonna get paid in the long run regardless... it's time this franchise took a stand & not let spoiled athletes like this bend the franchise over a chair & take it up the ass... if Marbury wants to play so badly, it's up to HIM to make the concessions here, not the Knicks... right now he's in no position of strength & there's absolutely no reason for the Knicks to continue to be made into fools by this guy... Donnie needs to do exactly what he's been doing, & that's not to give in to this idiot... that's the best possible message to send to other players who are taking notice of this situation as well as to the players on this current roster... if u wanna change the culture & not let this idiot get his way yet again at the expense of our franchise, then that's the only way to handle this situation.


I agree, last year all marbury had to do was threaten to relase some "dirt" he had on isiah and boom, he was back with the team..

This is a new day. If he wants his release to play ball, then he will have to make some concessions.. End of story..
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1/2/2009  12:43 PM
Posted by tkf:
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I don't watch the celts.

Watching the Wacky KG and his super intense nut job act is really too much on me. I appreciate his talent, but the team is unwatchable.

Marbury would be a perfect suck up on that act to prove he still has his cred.

It would also sell alot of sneakers if he can make a deep run in the playoffs.

This guy really made a DVD about his work outs last summer? I want a copy.

Does the Celtics have no. 3 retired or being used?

What a wacky group the Celts have become. Too bad Spree could not make a comeback and join them.


I agree, KG is a great talent, just too over the top for me to bear at times..

Marbury should fit right in...

can't wait until he tells Doc Rivers to go "F" himself and if he doesn't play him, he is going to uneleash all the "dirt" he has on him..

for a half season even Dinglebury has it in him to be a good teammate... we saw that here in NY when he first got here... last thing i would want to see as a Knick fan is this guy smiling & laughing at us while he's sitting on the Celtics' bench w/the rest of those trashtalking morons
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1/2/2009  12:43 PM
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I can't see your point of view on this one. The Knicks are playing hard negotiating. $1 million is so close to worthless to the Knicks that they're willing to wait it out. Why should the Knicks help a competitor improve for a mere $1 million? You never answered this.

Not to mention that the guy refused to play twice.

I did answer that: We need not worry about where Marbury goes and what he does there.

As to 1M, while it was peanuts in October it now is a much larger percentage of what Marbury is still owed.

If he makes 21.9M that comes out to roughly 267K per game (how he got fined 398K for two games (199K a game) missed is beyond me do the math for yourself that would come out to a 16.3M salary for the year which is wrong so I'm going with the 267K figure here just for arguments sake)

We've played 30 games. That's already 8M paid to Marbury. So realistically in the final 52 games he's going to make 13.9M. When we bought out Taylor and Rose we took away I think 1M from taylor and 2M+ from Rose. So we're almost in the ballpark there of 1M to 2M in buyout. Asking him to give up 3M now is like asking him to give up nearly a quarter of his salary. Lets say it's a 10% buyout: that's about 1.4M.

So, as I said, as time goes on 1M is a much higher percentage of what is still owed. Pretty soon 1M off the remaining pay will be nearly the same as 3M off at the start of the year.

Again, if it comes to the point where we are going to have to pay him every cent anyways then there's no longer a financial incentive to keep him and you waive him.


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1/2/2009  12:45 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by tkf:
Posted by Nalod:

I don't watch the celts.

Watching the Wacky KG and his super intense nut job act is really too much on me. I appreciate his talent, but the team is unwatchable.

Marbury would be a perfect suck up on that act to prove he still has his cred.

It would also sell alot of sneakers if he can make a deep run in the playoffs.

This guy really made a DVD about his work outs last summer? I want a copy.

Does the Celtics have no. 3 retired or being used?

What a wacky group the Celts have become. Too bad Spree could not make a comeback and join them.


I agree, KG is a great talent, just too over the top for me to bear at times..

Marbury should fit right in...

can't wait until he tells Doc Rivers to go "F" himself and if he doesn't play him, he is going to uneleash all the "dirt" he has on him..

for a half season even Dinglebury has it in him to be a good teammate... we saw that here in NY when he first got here... last thing i would want to see as a Knick fan is this guy smiling & laughing at us while he's sitting on the Celtics' bench w/the rest of those trashtalking morons

The guy would smile and laugh at us if he was dipped in the pig poop pit in Rambo II.

It doesn't matter where he goes. It doesn't impact us because we're not good enough for it to matter one bit AND by the time we do turn the game around Marbury will no longer be any kind of a threat if still in the league at all.

If we were a good team or he was 3-4 years younger then I understand the argument of wanting him far away. Yet neither are true so I don't see the detriment.
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1/2/2009  12:48 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by TMS:
Accommodating him means we accommodate ourselves.

that's BS... continuing to accomodate idiot primadonnas like him means this franchise is making it known to the world that you can come here & act like an idiot all you want, ur gonna get paid in the long run regardless... it's time this franchise took a stand & not let spoiled athletes like this bend the franchise over a chair & take it up the ass... if Marbury wants to play so badly, it's up to HIM to make the concessions here, not the Knicks... right now he's in no position of strength & there's absolutely no reason for the Knicks to continue to be made into fools by this guy... Donnie needs to do exactly what he's been doing, & that's not to give in to this idiot... that's the best possible message to send to other players who are taking notice of this situation as well as to the players on this current roster... if u wanna change the culture & not let this idiot get his way yet again at the expense of our franchise, then that's the only way to handle this situation.

If you wait until March 2nd, to screw with his future, and end up paying him his entire salary ANYWAY, we're the ones that come off as idiots.

If he puts his original offer of 1M back on the table then you take it this time. If Donnie offers 2M then Marbury should just take it. If he doesn't and sits out the season it would not surprise me.

Yet to put a vindictive angle on it, one that shows you're just looking to punish him by messing with the potential for him to sign on a playoff roster, then we're the ones that look like jackasses here.

This should be about what is best for the Knicks and not some immature vindictive feud and the desire to try to get him over it. That's unprofessional.

I can't see your point of view on this one. The Knicks are playing hard negotiating. $1 million is so close to worthless to the Knicks that they're willing to wait it out. Why should the Knicks help a competitor improve for a mere $1 million? You never answered this.

Not to mention that the guy refused to play twice.

Competitor for what? You think the Celtics and Knicks are on the same level, competing for the 2009 championship? You think Marbury is the missing piece for the Celtics and they couldn't win without him?

Knowing Marbury, don't people think that there's a slight chance that signing Marbury could totally backfire on the Celtics?
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1/2/2009  12:48 PM
Posted by Nalod:


Watching the Wacky KG and his super intense nut job act is really too much on me. I appreciate his talent, but the team is unwatchable.

Totally agree. KG was long my favorite player in the league but after watching him this year, his act is kinda disturbing.
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1/2/2009  12:50 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by TheGame:
Posted by Solace:
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Marbury is such an idiot. Why he does not just take $17-$18 mill and go on his way is beyond me. Classic example of cutting off your nose to spite your face. If I am Walsh, I tell Marbury we will give you $17 mill and you can go whereever you want, or else, you can sit home for the rest of the year. Take it or leave it.

This is the one situation where I think Marbury knows what he's doing and has a clear plan. We just don't like it, because we hoped he cared about more. Marbury is proving that his only motivation is money; not basketball.

Unfortunately for him, I think the damage he's caused to himself over the last two years, I seriously doubt he'll come anywhere close to sniffing even half of $21 million for the rest of his career combined.

That's really my point. He is losing the little credibility he had left. He could have taken the $17 million at the begining of the season, played the role of the good professional and backed up Rondo in Boston. If the Celtics won the championship or at least, if Marbury played well and stayed out of trouble, he could have probably parlayed that into getting a 3-4 year deal this summer for $8-$9 million per year. Now he would be lucky to get the full MLE. So to spite the Knicks for the sake of getting an extra $4 million, he probably has cost himself $10-$15 million over the course of his remaining career, not to be mention the hit his already damaged reputation is taking.

EXACTLY! Marbury can't get out of the way of his own stupidity... he thinks he's playing the Knicks right now, but in reality he actually played himself out of a better contract extension next season by refusing Donnie's more than fair offer.

Why do people care one way or the other?

Some people want the distraction gone but keep finding ways to make him relevant. It's fascinating.
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1/2/2009  12:53 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by tkf:
Posted by Nalod:

I don't watch the celts.

Watching the Wacky KG and his super intense nut job act is really too much on me. I appreciate his talent, but the team is unwatchable.

Marbury would be a perfect suck up on that act to prove he still has his cred.

It would also sell alot of sneakers if he can make a deep run in the playoffs.

This guy really made a DVD about his work outs last summer? I want a copy.

Does the Celtics have no. 3 retired or being used?

What a wacky group the Celts have become. Too bad Spree could not make a comeback and join them.


I agree, KG is a great talent, just too over the top for me to bear at times..

Marbury should fit right in...

can't wait until he tells Doc Rivers to go "F" himself and if he doesn't play him, he is going to uneleash all the "dirt" he has on him..

for a half season even Dinglebury has it in him to be a good teammate... we saw that here in NY when he first got here... last thing i would want to see as a Knick fan is this guy smiling & laughing at us while he's sitting on the Celtics' bench w/the rest of those trashtalking morons


I find it funny how on realgm, people were upset at zach and Q for defending themselves vs the celts trash talking. Saying that zach and Q are losers and didn't deserve to talk back.. to me, that is just childish and moronic thinking.. Should players who work hard be subject to ridiculous trash talking because the other team has a better record? I don't like the way boston goes about their business.... I was glad to see portland take it to them without roy. and some of the blazers players had some choice comments for the trash talking celts... those guys really are so annoying..

AS I said, marbury will either fit in, or ruffle feathers. I sure as hell hope he ruffles some feathers..... As far as him laughing at us.. the guy is a damn idiot... I am really not offended at the things that mental midget does anymore....
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1/2/2009  12:53 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
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for a half season even Dinglebury has it in him to be a good teammate... we saw that here in NY when he first got here... last thing i would want to see as a Knick fan is this guy smiling & laughing at us while he's sitting on the Celtics' bench w/the rest of those trashtalking morons

The guy would smile and laugh at us if he was dipped in the pig poop pit in Rambo II.

It doesn't matter where he goes. It doesn't impact us because we're not good enough for it to matter one bit AND by the time we do turn the game around Marbury will no longer be any kind of a threat if still in the league at all.

If we were a good team or he was 3-4 years younger then I understand the argument of wanting him far away. Yet neither are true so I don't see the detriment.

See? What did I tell you.... in fact this adds new meaning to dinglebury.



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First of all if I was Knicks Mgt I would look into tampering charges against Boston. Then I would ask MSG legal dept if Stephs conduct is detrimental to the team and fine his stupid azz. Then I( meaning MSG MGT) would make it perfectly clear, in a press conference that STEPH WILL NOT BE TRADED, BOUGHT OUT OR WAIVED!! MSG should say it like this " Stephon Marbury will not play for another team this year.He is a NY Knick and he will remain a NY Knick until his contract runs out." Steph wants to be in the headlines, he doesnt want to be forgotten in the media and this is why his name pops up weekly. LET THE BUM SIT HOME AND TRY TO PLAY BALL. How much value would he have if any team doesnt see him play this year and he doesnt play ball until next september?? LET HIM SIT.
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1/2/2009  12:57 PM
We've played 30 games. That's already 8M paid to Marbury. So realistically in the final 52 games he's going to make 13.9M. When we bought out Taylor and Rose we took away I think 1M from taylor and 2M+ from Rose. So we're almost in the ballpark there of 1M to 2M in buyout. Asking him to give up 3M now is like asking him to give up nearly a quarter of his salary. Lets say it's a 10% buyout: that's about 1.4M.

how do u come up w/that reasoning? $3 mil is not even close to being 25% of his annual salary... just cuz he's been paid a portion of it already doesn't make a difference in the matter... a 10% buyout on $21 mil is $2.1 mil... if Steph wants out so badly & wants to play on a championship contender, let him offer something better... $3 mil is absolutely more than fair... he's gonna make back $1 mil of those lost earnings anyway, & the rest he can chalk up to time paid for services not rendered...

& if what i read is correct, the Celtics will actually be reimbursed by the NBA for part of what they sign Steph to as well if they do end up signing him this year:

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm
When a player has been in the NBA for three or more seasons, and is playing under a one-year, ten-day or rest-of-season contract, the league actually reimburses the team for part of his salary - any amount above the minimum salary level for a two-year veteran. For example, in 2005-06 the minimum salary for a two-year veteran is $719,373, so for a ten-year veteran, with a minimum salary of $1,138,500, the league would reimburse the team $419,127. Only the two-year minimum salary is included in the team salary, not the player's full salary. They do this so teams won't shy away from signing older veterans simply because they are more expensive when filling out their last few roster spots.
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Posted by islesfan:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by TheGame:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by TheGame:

Marbury is such an idiot. Why he does not just take $17-$18 mill and go on his way is beyond me. Classic example of cutting off your nose to spite your face. If I am Walsh, I tell Marbury we will give you $17 mill and you can go whereever you want, or else, you can sit home for the rest of the year. Take it or leave it.

This is the one situation where I think Marbury knows what he's doing and has a clear plan. We just don't like it, because we hoped he cared about more. Marbury is proving that his only motivation is money; not basketball.

Unfortunately for him, I think the damage he's caused to himself over the last two years, I seriously doubt he'll come anywhere close to sniffing even half of $21 million for the rest of his career combined.

That's really my point. He is losing the little credibility he had left. He could have taken the $17 million at the begining of the season, played the role of the good professional and backed up Rondo in Boston. If the Celtics won the championship or at least, if Marbury played well and stayed out of trouble, he could have probably parlayed that into getting a 3-4 year deal this summer for $8-$9 million per year. Now he would be lucky to get the full MLE. So to spite the Knicks for the sake of getting an extra $4 million, he probably has cost himself $10-$15 million over the course of his remaining career, not to be mention the hit his already damaged reputation is taking.

EXACTLY! Marbury can't get out of the way of his own stupidity... he thinks he's playing the Knicks right now, but in reality he actually played himself out of a better contract extension next season by refusing Donnie's more than fair offer.

Why do people care one way or the other?

Some people want the distraction gone but keep finding ways to make him relevant. It's fascinating.

i think the drama would only increase if he were to join the Celtics this year... the best way to minimize his distraction IMO is to keep him exactly where he is now, in limbo w/no one in his corner but Marc Berman... btw, if anyone thinks Berman would stop writing articles about Dinglebury just cuz he's no longer a Knick is kidding themselves... if anything it would give him a new clip of ammunition to fuel his insipid ass kissing of the man.
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1/2/2009  1:04 PM
Move on already.

Is it not just a little coincidental that this story would "break" just 2 days before NY plays Boston, and was made sure to get to Stein in time for the Friday news cycle as opposed to the weekend? So now the focus is ONCE AGAIN on Marbury.

Shortsighted, overpaid, star****ing deals like Steph's are what got the Knicks in this entire cap-hell predicament. At the end of the day, Colangelo atoned for his mistake as soon as he realized it and Isiah and Dolan were all too happy to help him create a contender...in Phoenix.

What do you prove by holding out to get back $3-5mil in a buyout when you've already paid the guy over $100 million and doled out an additional $100 million for being over the cap every year he was here? You have 1 playoff series (in which you were embarrassed), a record of 88-151 and countless controversies and headlines to show for $200 million and NOW you want to bitch about his deal? Is that vindication or pettiness? Oh yeah, we got back 1.5%, that'll show em who's boss and we're not to be taken lightly. Please.

Either let him walk or let him expire. Just as he has every right to expect to be paid, the Knicks have every right to do whatever the **** they want within the rules of the CBA until July 1, 2009. If they are fortunate enough, they'll find a lucky dumbass who's willing to trade for his expiring. You don't want him to play for a contender because you for some reason give a ****? Waive him after March 2nd, which isn't THAT far away. Personally, if they let him walk before then and he ends up with the Celtics or Lakers, who gives a ****? Whopdee-****ing-do. Jud Bueschler has a ring too.
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1/2/2009  1:05 PM
I'm pretty sure that Dolan isn't going to be sharing any money that he might save in these buyout negotiations so why do people care so much?

Whether Marbury gets paid a penny less should mean nothing to Knicks fans. Whether the Celtics or any other team is stupid enough to sign him after the Knicks buy him out should mean nothing to Knicks fans. The only thing that should matter is what the Knicks are doing to better themselves for the 2010 season.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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