Posted by misterearl:

Rookie - bitchy on "us"?

my comments were directed to the opinion of one poster. But if you want to go there, I'm happy to oblige you.

Missusearl?

you want to talk basketball or resort to personal stuff?

[Edited by - misterearl on 12-22-2008 5:44 PM]

This thread was having some decent dialog until you decided to jump up on your soap box. Try and play nice, I'm watching you

Posted by Rookie:

Everyone is harping on Chandler's offensive numbers being down. I see it a little different. He is focusing his effort on a specific role/need. He is becoming a tough defender and is concentrating on that role. In time, his offensive numbers will come back to where they were and he will even start to grab more rebounds. This kid can be the 2/3 who's big enough and quick enough to guard 2's like Kobe. He doesn't look quick enough to be a slasher so I'd look to see him continue to develop his outside shot and continue to be a develop into a defensive force. It certainly looks like MDA has a role for him and he will continue to grow into it. Just my dos centavos, once again, I could be completely wrong.

ever since we traded Jamal for Al i have noticed him finding a tough time adapting to a new role in the offense... seems he's being a little bit more tentative & he's not posting up down low nearly as much as he was before... he's pretty much become a spot up 3 point shooter at this point, which is not his game... a big part of that is because MDA has been using him as a G in many sets out of necessity because of our current lack of perimeter players, but i think things will work themselves out as soon as we add another G to this roster & Wilson can go back to being the slasher/occasional post up player he was excelling as earlier in the season.

i like Wilson & i think he's a hard working kid that takes criticism from MDA well & doesn't let it get him down... in many ways he reminds me a lot of Allan Houston in his demeanor & his work ethic... he's a lot tougher than he might outwardly seem just like Allan was.

Here are two NBA draft profiles. One of them is for Bryant and the other is for Chandler. Can you guess which is which?

Strengths- number one stregth is his maturity. He is a lot more
mature than a lot of the college players and some NBA players as well.
This is a huge asset because he isn't going into this without thinking
like some people might think. Extremely intelligent player and student.
Sees the floor very well because of his height and is an excellent
finisher. Knows the game of basketball and what needs to be done to win
(won the state championships without his point guard and top outside
shooter). Is a true leader who often dominated games with triple teams
most of the time. Can hit from three with accuracy (good %). Fierce
competitor with a lot of determination. Played all 5 positions in high
school so he can also work down low. Has perfected the turn around
fall-away jumper (Jordan's tradmark) A lot of people think he doesn't
like to lift to bulk up but he'll do whatever it takes to make it in the
league.
Weaknesses- True, he is 17 (close to 18) which is huge but as his dad
said "he's 17 going on 25". Has questionable ballhandling skills (to be
a projected point guard). May not be ready for the rigors of the NBA life
and does not have the body for it right now (although his father, ex-nba
player, will be with him most of the time). Does not have a true
position. Played all 5 in high school and didn't perfect any one of the
five. Is very good at all 5 but not great.
I project him just as everyone else going no lower than 12 or so and I
wouldn't be suprised if he goes much higher.

________________________________________________________________


Strengths: Good athleticism and hops. Can really get up and attack the rim. Very good rebounder. Very good shot blocker. Can score inside or step outside and hit the three. Very good NBA size. Averaged over 30 minutes a night both years in college playing in a big time conference.

Weaknesses: Is he a NBA small forward or power forward? Still a work in progress as a small forward and would be a little short for the NBA 4-spot. Very inconsistent three-point shooter – only a 30% shooter from deep for his career. Mediocre free throw shooter. Can be foul prone.

Projected 2007 Draft Range: Mid second round pick – undrafted.

Consensus: is an intriguing prospect due to his inside/outside potential, but “potential” is the key word. He needs at least another year in school to improve his draft stock and make himself more of a viable NBA small forward candidate.

definitely not a scoring threat
Will definitely look to shoot
Definitely not going to look for his threes
Adequate from three point range
Can get to the line some
Disaster from the free throw stripe
Adequate from 15-20 feet
Poor driving to the basket
Can get some post up baskets
Wont create in tranisition
is outstanding on the offensive board
Does a great job on the defensive glass
is not much of a passer
Average handle
is not a player who will get steals
Outstanding shot blocking force
Bad fighting off wide open shots
Bad perimeter defender
Post defense is average
Bad fast break defender
has average strength
Very little quickness
is more of a marginal basketball player but can be effective as an end of the bench player

Posted by TMS:

Averaged over 30 minutes a night both years in college playing in a big time conference.

Projected 2007 Draft Range:

it's pretty obvious which one's talking about Wilson.

[Edited by - TMS on 12-22-2008 5:34 PM]

Rookie mistake.

can someone please post up Mike Sweetney's scouting report?

Posted by Bippity10:

Listen, I spent my first 7 years out on the West Coast so I consider myself an expert on Wilson Chandler. He looks like he has hit the wall. Essentially he's a rookie and this is what a rookie sometimes goes through. If he breaks through that will tell you something about Wilson. If he doesn't, it may tell you something about him as well.

Q said something to that effect recently. He's never played these minutes regularly before.

Posted by misterearl:


Additionally, what I am baffled by is the offering of random scouting reports by rookie. Trying to paint that as analogous was clumsy, at best. rookie cut and pasted two random opinions. To what end, I cannot tell.

I made comparisons of documented production, taken from similar stages in two careers, for you to compare and contrast.

Hope that helps clear things up.

[Edited by - misterearl on 12-23-2008 09:50 AM]

I think what you've cleared up is your ability to argue minor points to exhausting lengths. But to add some data points, apparantly BB I.Q can be measured statistically. According to statistical analysis, Kobe ranks 94th in BB I.Q. Chandler is 174th which is pretty much in the middle of the pack. Not surprisingly, Rose (355th), Jeffries (340th) and Thomas (301st) are among the worst in the league.

http://www.basketballiq.com/Default.aspx