Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by kam77:

Who is the last baseball player to endorse anything on the level of what LeBron endorses?

which sports franchise is recognized worldwide by their logo?

Posted by kam77:

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by kam77:

Who is the last baseball player to endorse anything on the level of what LeBron endorses?

which sports franchise is recognized worldwide by their logo?

We're talkin NY sports.

I see hear and breathe stories about LeBron everyday. He is in every other commercial. If LeBron were in NY he'd be even more ubiquitous.

If you took most people in NY, and walked Teixeira down the street in front of them. Most would have a hard time recognizing the dude.

Posted by djsunyc:

the great thing about baseball is that there are no guarantees. yanks spend $200 mil but didn't make the postseason with top notch talent. this season, the yanks signed elite players but again, no guarantee they make the postseason.

basketball - EIGHT teams make the postseason in each conference...and if you have the best talent, you will get to the finals. no questions asked.

Posted by arkrud:

So what you are saying; because organization cannot win it all by using unlimited $$$$ (Yanks) you should have love from comish. American pro sport is one big grate scam...

Posted by GallOfFame:

Posted by arkrud:

So what you are saying; because organization cannot win it all by using unlimited $$$$ (Yanks) you should have love from comish. American pro sport is one big grate scam...

Stern being in Love had to do with Jordan being Stern's substitute blow up doll in the flesh. I think the rest is self explanatory. There are no guarantees in Basketball.

If we want to say what's truly beautiful about no guarantees when winning it all the NFL GETS IT by a wide margin. It's not even close.

Posted by GallOfFame:

Posted by arkrud:

Posted by GallOfFame:

Posted by arkrud:

So what you are saying; because organization cannot win it all by using unlimited $$$$ (Yanks) you should have love from comish. American pro sport is one big grate scam...

Stern being in Love had to do with Jordan being Stern's substitute blow up doll in the flesh. I think the rest is self explanatory. There are no guarantees in Basketball.

If we want to say what's truly beautiful about no guarantees when winning it all the NFL GETS IT by a wide margin. It's not even close.

This true. In NFL you never know when your best players will be killed, kill somebody, get cut on drugs, die on the field, or get carrier ending injury.
When you are dealing with so many gangs and criminals its all shot in the dark.

Wow you're saying these things only happen in the NFL? This post might offend someone

Truth is always offending to someone.
There are some problems with crime in any pro sport but NFL is at the top of the list.
Just check the news. Drugs, guns, dog fighting, shootings... It is no end to it...
It same thing as with hockey in Russia. After Soviet Union broke each hockey team became a criminal gang group.

Posted by GallOfFame:

Posted by arkrud:

Posted by GallOfFame:

Posted by arkrud:

Posted by GallOfFame:

Posted by arkrud:

So what you are saying; because organization cannot win it all by using unlimited $$$$ (Yanks) you should have love from comish. American pro sport is one big grate scam...

Stern being in Love had to do with Jordan being Stern's substitute blow up doll in the flesh. I think the rest is self explanatory. There are no guarantees in Basketball.

If we want to say what's truly beautiful about no guarantees when winning it all the NFL GETS IT by a wide margin. It's not even close.

This true. In NFL you never know when your best players will be killed, kill somebody, get cut on drugs, die on the field, or get carrier ending injury.
When you are dealing with so many gangs and criminals its all shot in the dark.

Wow you're saying these things only happen in the NFL? This post might offend someone

Truth is always offending to someone.
There are some problems with crime in any pro sport but NFL is at the top of the list.
Just check the news. Drugs, guns, dog fighting, shootings... It is no end to it...
It same thing as with hockey in Russia. After Soviet Union broke each hockey team became a criminal gang group.

The things you listed have nothing to do with the actual product, how athletes perform, and the nuances of the sport, postseason results etc etc.

You are leaving in imaginary world.
But its OK. This is what they want.
What makes NFS roll regardless of individual player’s issues is that they have so many players on a team.
And actually all this players are just robots in the hands on the coach.
As the moral side of sport goes; too much money involved to even think about it.





[Edited by - arkrud on 12-25-2008 10:42 AM]

Posted by ramtour420:

baseball isn't even a sport, its more of just a game isn't it? if you can be out of shape and come to games hung over and still dominate like babe Ruth did is that really a sport or more of a game based off of pure skill?

Posted by TMS:

i think we both have differing definitions of the word "athleticism" then... to me, athleticism encompasses physical ability & natural talent... all pro baseball players have that gift whereas average Joe's like you & me can practice the game of baseball all we want but we'll never ever be able to do the things that those baseball players do on a daily basis, we simply don't have the physical capacity or the natural talent to do it... even if we work out like crazy & take steroids to bulk our bodies up, we still won't be able to play at the pro level... to me, athleticism is not just pure strength & muscle mass... it's a God given gift... 1 of the most gifted natural athletes of alltime by the name of Dave Winfield who excelled at all of the 3 major sports & could have probably played in the pro ranks in any of them, chose baseball over basketball or football... u wanna tell me he wasn't a superior athlete? Bo Jackson, another phenomenal athlete who excelled at the game of baseball during his era... Rickey Henderson, Ty Cobb, Ted Williams, Joe DiMaggio, Alex Rodriguez, Albert Pujols, Mickey Mantle, Derek Jeter, Roberto Alomar, Mariano Rivera, the list of great athletes in baseball over the years goes on & on... & yes, even though u may not think of Babe Ruth as an athlete, he was probably 1 of the greatest athletes of alltime in pro sports cuz not only was he able to dominate the game of baseball w/his natural hitting ability, but was also a dominant pitcher in his early years & set tons of records... u don't do that in any sport unless u possess athletic ability... this is completely different than when we talk about purely skills based "sports" like bowling, billiards & to a lesser extent golf (tho u do need to possess athletic ability to drive the ball a long distance but that's still much more of a skills based sport)

when i refer to skill, i'm talking about the learned aspects of the game... adjusting of strategy, practicing footwork on defense, getting better jumps off 1st base when stealing a base, adjusting your pitching motion to fine tune your location & motion on your pitches, stuff like that... that stuff can be practiced & learned through coaching... but you cannot coach raw talent or physical ability... u either have it or you don't... that's why i think baseball encompasses both aspects of athleticism & skill equally which makes it quite unique among other sports out there that rely more heavily on the physical aspect only & less on the mental.