[ IMAGES: Images ON turn off | ACCOUNT: User Status is LOCKED why? ]

King1, Briggs, New Yorkers and others afraid we are losing Lee please help me out
Forum Index  ›  NY Knicks Forum
Page 3 of 3 ‹ Previous 1  2  3 
« Reply To Topic
Author Thread
Bonn1997
Posts: 58654
Alba Posts: 2
Joined: 2/2/2004
Member: #581
USA
12/15/2008  12:12 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

Our young core, which isn't THAT young, will be nothing but young by the time Dwight Howard is a free agent. I don't think he turns into one until 2012.
It's hard to know who would be part of the young core by then. I'd feel confident in Walsh's ability to put together a nice team that Dwight would want to join. That's just one of many options though. It's probably not a likely option by any means. Or we could sign Joe Johnson and Bosh and if it looks like D Howard is a bigger impact player than Bosh by 2012, offer Bosh in an S & T for Dwight. Or maybe JJ and Yao in 2010 and then an S & T for Dwight as Yao is aging. Of course Lebron is the premium prize but there's too many options to focus on Wade and Lebron; that's really all I meant.
AUTOADVERT
djsunyc
Posts: 44929
Alba Posts: 42
Joined: 1/16/2004
Member: #536
12/15/2008  11:05 PM
game's not over yet but david lee has 15/10 against shaq and amare frontcourt. he may not have a post game but he is NOT easily replaceable. it's a tight game (5 point game with 6 mins to go) so it's not garbage time either. he is playing his way to $10 mil a year.
crzymdups
Posts: 52018
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 5/1/2004
Member: #671
USA
12/15/2008  11:14 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

game's not over yet but david lee has 15/10 against shaq and amare frontcourt. he may not have a post game but he is NOT easily replaceable. it's a tight game (5 point game with 6 mins to go) so it's not garbage time either. he is playing his way to $10 mil a year.

what does nate get for having 25pts 8rebs 5asts 3steals and no turnovers off the bench? $50 million?
¿ △ ?
djsunyc
Posts: 44929
Alba Posts: 42
Joined: 1/16/2004
Member: #536
12/15/2008  11:17 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by djsunyc:

game's not over yet but david lee has 15/10 against shaq and amare frontcourt. he may not have a post game but he is NOT easily replaceable. it's a tight game (5 point game with 6 mins to go) so it's not garbage time either. he is playing his way to $10 mil a year.

what does nate get for having 25pts 8rebs 5asts 3steals and no turnovers off the bench? $50 million?

if he puts up those #'s everynight, he will get $10 mil a year too.

you don't give a guy a contract based on what he could do on another team. you give a guy a contract based on what he can do for your team. analyzing whether he matches skill level with guys like bosh or amare is moot. it's whether he helps your team compete.
TMS
Posts: 60684
Alba Posts: 617
Joined: 5/11/2004
Member: #674
USA
12/15/2008  11:18 PM
whatever these guys are gonna get, u guys need to realize we can't hold onto all of them & still bring in a bigname FA in 2010... u gotta make some tough choices & let some players go that u might like in order to land the big fish in a couple years... that means u have to explore trade possibilities now while u still can or else u WILL be losing at least 1 of these guys for nothing at the end of this season or next (if u include Al Harrington & Duhon)
After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
crzymdups
Posts: 52018
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 5/1/2004
Member: #671
USA
12/15/2008  11:28 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by djsunyc:

game's not over yet but david lee has 15/10 against shaq and amare frontcourt. he may not have a post game but he is NOT easily replaceable. it's a tight game (5 point game with 6 mins to go) so it's not garbage time either. he is playing his way to $10 mil a year.

what does nate get for having 25pts 8rebs 5asts 3steals and no turnovers off the bench? $50 million?

if he puts up those #'s everynight, he will get $10 mil a year too.

you don't give a guy a contract based on what he could do on another team. you give a guy a contract based on what he can do for your team. analyzing whether he matches skill level with guys like bosh or amare is moot. it's whether he helps your team compete.

but if they are RFA doesn't it make sense to see what some other team offers them? why overpay if not other team is going to cough up that much money? in case people haven't noticed the economy sucks and Lee and Nate are great, but maybe not $10M a year players in this economy, not with 2010 looming and more than just Bron available.
¿ △ ?
djsunyc
Posts: 44929
Alba Posts: 42
Joined: 1/16/2004
Member: #536
12/15/2008  11:33 PM
lee will get a 5 year deal at $40 mil minimum. not all teams are gonna wait till 2010. some guys should like the knicks. but alot of teams that are doing it are just dumb.
BRIGGS
Posts: 53275
Alba Posts: 7
Joined: 7/30/2002
Member: #303
12/16/2008  1:12 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

lee will get a 5 year deal at $40 mil minimum. not all teams are gonna wait till 2010. some guys should like the knicks. but alot of teams that are doing it are just dumb.

His production level since Zach left is a 10-12mm $ player. This is not a three game stretch--this guy is a consistent tough smart big basketball player in his prime. I think --I know he can give you 15-16 points and 12 rebounds every game and shoot near 60%. I think Millsap is better than Lee[not by a lot] but I think Millsap will have any offer matched and Utah will let Boozer leave. So you are looking at Lee being a top 5 FA and top 3 in the big category. You watch David Lee and tell me 30 teams would not want this guy???
RIP Crushalot😞
Pharzeone
Posts: 32183
Alba Posts: 14
Joined: 2/11/2005
Member: #871
12/16/2008  1:32 AM
Appearances on Leader Boards, Awards, and HonorsGlossary
DAVID LEE NYK
(#) - RANK AMONG LEAGUE LEADERS
Field Goal Pct

2008-09 NBA .559 (8)
Defensive Rebounds

2008-09 NBA 170 (8)
Total Rebounds

2008-09 NBA 239 (6)
Rebounds Per Game

2008-09 NBA 10.4 (9)

Offensive Rating

2007-08 NBA 123.0 (8)

Lee will get his money, Walsh decided not sign him to a reasonable contract.
I don't like to play bad rookies , I like to play good rookies - Mike D'Antoni
GKFv2
Posts: 26752
Alba Posts: 114
Joined: 1/16/2007
Member: #1259
USA
12/16/2008  3:56 AM
Posted by Marv:

briggy and bonn . . . it's on!


Thank you, Rick Brunson.
TMS
Posts: 60684
Alba Posts: 617
Joined: 5/11/2004
Member: #674
USA
12/16/2008  4:32 AM
all of you who are concerned that we won't be able to replace D Lee's production easily have to realize that holding onto him means that money won't be free to allocate towards someone like Amare, Dirk or Bosh... i sorta think those guys would be able to replace D Lee's production on offense & all of them are better defensively (Dirk is probably just as bad).

right now we'll have the cap space to offer 1 bigname a big contract along w/keeping 1 of our impending FA's after this season... will that be enough to attract a Lebron here or would it be more prudent to have the cap space to offer 2 bigname guys a contract to give ourselves a bigger chance to attract both of them to the same team? my guess is that if Donnie gets his way, he'll have the money to offer big contracts to 2 personally, which explains why both D Lee & Nate weren't signed longterm before the season began to begin with.

let me tell u this, that Donnie Walsh didn't clear up all that cap space in 2010 just so he could extend D Lee, Nate, Harrington & Duhon to longterm extensions... the plan is to target some real franchise calibre talent that u can build around... D Lee for all his positives is NOT a franchise calibre talent & because of that should be considered as expendable if you're able to replace him with one that is... if Donnie comes across a team who's willing to give up a high lottery pick for him in a trade & is able to keep that money free to pursue a big name in 2010, do u guys seriously think he's not going to jump at that opportunity? do u really think he's not loving the fact that guys like D Lee & Nate are playing their way to increased trade value right now? it gives him all that many more options to pursue a trade at the deadline this year.

believe me, no one will be lamenting the loss of D Lee, Nate, Harrington or anyone else if we're replacing those guys with a 2 man combo of Lebron, Wade, Bosh, Amare, Dirk, etc... it's been pointed out time & time again that there will be players left over to play alongside 2 bignames in 2010 even if we don't have a D Lee or a Harrington or a Nate on this team & yet people still bring that up as the main issue why it would never happen... none of us really know what will happen right now... who knows, maybe Donnie's plan is to trade Wilson Chandler & Curry & hold onto Harrington & D Lee & target someone else in free agency?... there are tons of options open to this team right now & stressing over how much D Lee's playing himself into making this offseason is pointless.

[Edited by - TMS on 12-16-2008 01:35 AM]
After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
Bippity10
Posts: 13999
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 1/26/2004
Member: #574
12/16/2008  11:05 AM
Posted by TMS:

all of you who are concerned that we won't be able to replace D Lee's production easily have to realize that holding onto him means that money won't be free to allocate towards someone like Amare, Dirk or Bosh... i sorta think those guys would be able to replace D Lee's production on offense & all of them are better defensively (Dirk is probably just as bad).

right now we'll have the cap space to offer 1 bigname a big contract along w/keeping 1 of our impending FA's after this season... will that be enough to attract a Lebron here or would it be more prudent to have the cap space to offer 2 bigname guys a contract to give ourselves a bigger chance to attract both of them to the same team? my guess is that if Donnie gets his way, he'll have the money to offer big contracts to 2 personally, which explains why both D Lee & Nate weren't signed longterm before the season began to begin with.

let me tell u this, that Donnie Walsh didn't clear up all that cap space in 2010 just so he could extend D Lee, Nate, Harrington & Duhon to longterm extensions... the plan is to target some real franchise calibre talent that u can build around... D Lee for all his positives is NOT a franchise calibre talent & because of that should be considered as expendable if you're able to replace him with one that is... if Donnie comes across a team who's willing to give up a high lottery pick for him in a trade & is able to keep that money free to pursue a big name in 2010, do u guys seriously think he's not going to jump at that opportunity? do u really think he's not loving the fact that guys like D Lee & Nate are playing their way to increased trade value right now? it gives him all that many more options to pursue a trade at the deadline this year.

believe me, no one will be lamenting the loss of D Lee, Nate, Harrington or anyone else if we're replacing those guys with a 2 man combo of Lebron, Wade, Bosh, Amare, Dirk, etc... it's been pointed out time & time again that there will be players left over to play alongside 2 bignames in 2010 even if we don't have a D Lee or a Harrington or a Nate on this team & yet people still bring that up as the main issue why it would never happen... none of us really know what will happen right now... who knows, maybe Donnie's plan is to trade Wilson Chandler & Curry & hold onto Harrington & D Lee & target someone else in free agency?... there are tons of options open to this team right now & stressing over how much D Lee's playing himself into making this offseason is pointless.

[Edited by - TMS on 12-16-2008 01:35 AM]

That's a good post, which is surprising coming from you.
I just hope that people will like me
toodarkmark
Posts: 21145
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 1/2/2004
Member: #515
USA
12/16/2008  11:15 AM
I'm just going to point out that, let's say David Lee gets a 5 year contract worth 50 million, and it can start around 7.5 in the first year. Nate can get a 5 year worth about 40 mil and start at 5.5. If we can move Curry, which I am sure we will be able to do, then all we have to figure out is what to do with Jeffries.

If we do that, and add in W Chandler (2.1), D Gallinarri (3.3), and our 2009 1st (2) that's 20.4 mil. If we somehow keep Jeffries (6.9) it goes up to 27.3. The cap is proposed to be 64 mil that year. That leaves us 36.7 to use. The max that year by 15% of the cap would be 19.5. Two max guys is 39. Therefore we would have to shave off 2.3 mil somehow. The best way to do that would be to have Jeffries opt out of the last year of his contract and sign him to a 3 year deal, starting at 4.6. There you go. Re-sign Al Harrington or Duhon(which from what I read is a possibility, but not if we renounce him). I have read that you can re-sign one player and go over the cap. Once over the cap you can use your exception. WHich we could use for a Nash. I might be off on the Salary Cap stuff a bit because of the renouncing of Harrington/Duhon that would be needed to be done.
I don't care what people think. People are stupid. - Charles Barkley
King1
Posts: 22993
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 10/2/2005
Member: #998
USA
12/16/2008  11:26 AM
TMS what happens if you dont get two max players? What if you dont get one? Odds are against you getting one let alone two max players in 2010.
Bonn1997
Posts: 58654
Alba Posts: 2
Joined: 2/2/2004
Member: #581
USA
12/16/2008  11:30 AM
Posted by King1:

TMS what happens if you dont get two max players? What if you dont get one? Odds are against you getting one let alone two max players in 2010.

I doubt that will happen if you look at how long the list of excellent players is, but if that does happen, then keep rebuilding and get another max player in 2011 or 2012. 2010 is a big new chapter but not the final chapter in the rebuilding process. You also have a huge trading advantage when you're under the cap since salaries don't have to match.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 12-16-2008 11:39 AM]
TMS
Posts: 60684
Alba Posts: 617
Joined: 5/11/2004
Member: #674
USA
12/16/2008  3:14 PM
Posted by King1:

TMS what happens if you dont get two max players? What if you dont get one? Odds are against you getting one let alone two max players in 2010.

if u don't get 2 max players, u have the cap space to get 4 2nd tier players... players like D Lee, Harrington, etc... or u have the option to make due til 2011 & pursue some other bignames like Yao Ming, Tony Parker, etc... IMO the odds of getting 2 max players is better than getting just 1 if u have the cap space to do both... the lure of playing w/another bigname is more attractive to any FA than the lure of playing alongside David Lee or Nate Robinson.
After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
Page 3 of 3 ‹ Previous 1  2  3 
« Reply To Topic
King1, Briggs, New Yorkers and others afraid we are losing Lee please help me out
Forum Index  ›  NY Knicks Forum

©2001-2025 ultimateknicks.comm All rights reserved. About Us.
This site is not affiliated with the NY Knicks or the National Basketball Association in any way.
You may visit the official NY Knicks web site by clicking here.

All times (GMT-05:00) Eastern Time.

Terms of Use and Privacy Policy