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McK1
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12/8/2008  8:05 PM
playing with 3 all-stars IN SEEK OF A TITLE AND NOW TITLES.

Rondo has been under pressure to perform every night since they made the trades for KG and Ray. Those guys give him zero room for error, especially Ray Allen. If he isn't playing the point damn near to perfection, they let him have it (ref: last years play-offs)

If Duhon throws up a stinker, oh well, on to the next game because ultimately...NOT MANY CARE PRESENTLY

Duhon was in a pressure situation Scott Skiles last 2 years in Chicago when people had high expectations for that team. Duhon did nothing of notice.
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12/8/2008  9:09 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by tkf:

you would never leave payton open.. NEVER

detroit left him open a lot in the 04 finals

[Edited by - McK1 on 08-12-2008 5:36 PM]

really? never noticed that.... I never knew brown as the coach to leave guys open..

[Edited by - tkf on 08-12-2008 9:11 PM]
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12/8/2008  9:13 PM
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Posted by McK1:
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people really disrespect the pressure rondo is under.

1st and foremost winning starts with the pg. not only that and he is playing with 3 of this generations best whom are all at the stage in their career where they are playing strictly for titles.

comparing him to a duhon whom is in a low expectation, no pressure sitch and in an offense that inflates numbers dramatically is shameful

Low expectations for duhon? In NYC...LOL. please, if duhon got off to a bad start he would get executed in the garden. Duhon is under just as much pressure to do well in a new offense, with new players and in a city that has the most impatient fans in the world....

2yr mle deal on a team not expected to win many games equals low expectations

IMO playing alongside 3 Allstars on the deepest & most talented team in the NBA & being left open on just about every possession on the perimeter when u don't have the ball = low pressure

Duhon's been doing a great job coming into his first fulltime starting role in the NBA's biggest media market & establishing himself as a leader right off the bat... to discount that as being under no pressure is ridiculous.

it is absolutely ridiculus... comming to a franchise like NY right after the mess we endured with the past regime, with a new GM and coach.. Duhon had pressure..... a lot of it, and so far he has done well..
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12/8/2008  9:16 PM
Posted by McK1:

playing with 3 all-stars IN SEEK OF A TITLE AND NOW TITLES.

Rondo has been under pressure to perform every night since they made the trades for KG and Ray. Those guys give him zero room for error, especially Ray Allen. If he isn't playing the point damn near to perfection, they let him have it (ref: last years play-offs)

If Duhon throws up a stinker, oh well, on to the next game because ultimately...NOT MANY CARE PRESENTLY

Duhon was in a pressure situation Scott Skiles last 2 years in Chicago when people had high expectations for that team. Duhon did nothing of notice.
the pressure was on the big 3, and to ease the pressure more on rondo, they brought in casell just in case this kid folded in the playoffs. Beleive me, they made this an ideal situation for rondo..


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12/8/2008  9:23 PM
not sure how some of y'all aren't seeing the amount of pressure rondo was under last year. you're 23 years old and you're the starting pg of a team that must win the title. not to mention you got kg screaming at you (making some dudes cry like cuba gooding swinging in "boyz in the hood").

rondo was under alot of pressure. duhon is not under pressure here. there is no media coverage of the knicks. everybody knows this season means nothing.
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12/8/2008  9:37 PM
The Knicks have more papers and television stations covering them than any other team in the league.
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12/8/2008  9:40 PM
Posted by VDesai:

The Knicks have more papers and television stations covering them than any other team in the league.

please, outside of the marbury stuff, nobody is talking about the knicks - especially the on court play.
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12/8/2008  9:46 PM
I think there's a certain pg that fits with certain styles and systems. It's the same way ward had it with Patrick, starks, spree, LJ and so forth. Duhon obviously is in a situation were he is going to benefit from playing under MDA, his game is tailor made for it, and is IQ is a lot higher then i could of imagine in OCT. Rondo is no billups, and sort of benefits like ward did with Patrick but he is even in a better position cause he has 2 hall of famers and a superstar.
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12/8/2008  9:49 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by VDesai:

The Knicks have more papers and television stations covering them than any other team in the league.

please, outside of the marbury stuff, nobody is talking about the knicks - especially the on court play.

If Duhon were crap early on this year he'd definitely be hearing it in the papers.
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12/8/2008  10:42 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by VDesai:

The Knicks have more papers and television stations covering them than any other team in the league.

please, outside of the marbury stuff, nobody is talking about the knicks - especially the on court play.

how can u know that when u've been following the Raptors all year?
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12/8/2008  10:44 PM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by tkf:
Posted by McK1:

people really disrespect the pressure rondo is under.

1st and foremost winning starts with the pg. not only that and he is playing with 3 of this generations best whom are all at the stage in their career where they are playing strictly for titles.

comparing him to a duhon whom is in a low expectation, no pressure sitch and in an offense that inflates numbers dramatically is shameful

Low expectations for duhon? In NYC...LOL. please, if duhon got off to a bad start he would get executed in the garden. Duhon is under just as much pressure to do well in a new offense, with new players and in a city that has the most impatient fans in the world....

2yr mle deal on a team not expected to win many games equals low expectations

IMO playing alongside 3 Allstars on the deepest & most talented team in the NBA & being left open on just about every possession on the perimeter when u don't have the ball = low pressure

Duhon's been doing a great job coming into his first fulltime starting role in the NBA's biggest media market & establishing himself as a leader right off the bat... to discount that as being under no pressure is ridiculous.

it is absolutely ridiculus... comming to a franchise like NY right after the mess we endured with the past regime, with a new GM and coach.. Duhon had pressure..... a lot of it, and so far he has done well..

how long before the "BRING BACK MARBS" idiots come out of the woodwork if Duhon doesn't get off to a great start? please... to say he's not playing under any pressure in NY of all places is silly

[Edited by - TMS on 12-08-2008 7:44 PM]
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12/8/2008  11:08 PM
Who cares about pressure? Rondo simply has it much easier than Duhon, period! The Celts took a chance with a young inexperienced guy cuz they believed that much in the big 3!!! You can get by with mediocre players at the point when you have All Stars around him. Just like Jordans Bulls were able to do. Duhon had near ZERO expectations of being good when he came here. People were calling him DoDoo and all kinds of other negative things. He was only a backup and would fold and be exposed with starter minutes, well how about 48 minutes!!!

He's simply put all his doubters to shame with how well he's played. To bring up turnovers is just more evidence of how some just can't admit that Duhon is much better than they thought and for those who believed he could shine under MDA, who has the gift of making PG's better, it's been a vindication. I have nothing against Rondo. He's a good young guard and he's handled his situation great. i just think Duhon has overcome more and done more with less.
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Posted by nixluva:

Who cares about pressure? Rondo simply has it much easier than Duhon, period! The Celts took a chance with a young inexperienced guy cuz they believed that much in the big 3!!! You can get by with mediocre players at the point when you have All Stars around him. Just like Jordans Bulls were able to do. Duhon had near ZERO expectations of being good when he came here. People were calling him DoDoo and all kinds of other negative things. He was only a backup and would fold and be exposed with starter minutes, well how about 48 minutes!!!

He's simply put all his doubters to shame with how well he's played. To bring up turnovers is just more evidence of how some just can't admit that Duhon is much better than they thought and for those who believed he could shine under MDA, who has the gift of making PG's better, it's been a vindication. I have nothing against Rondo. He's a good young guard and he's handled his situation great. i just think Duhon has overcome more and done more with less.


Well Put..
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12/8/2008  11:59 PM
you're right, we're playing duhon short.

the pressure to win more than 23 games carries the weight of mt. everest.

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12/9/2008  1:35 AM
Posted by nixluva:

Who cares about pressure? Rondo simply has it much easier than Duhon, period! The Celts took a chance with a young inexperienced guy cuz they believed that much in the big 3!!! You can get by with mediocre players at the point when you have All Stars around him. Just like Jordans Bulls were able to do. Duhon had near ZERO expectations of being good when he came here. People were calling him DoDoo and all kinds of other negative things. He was only a backup and would fold and be exposed with starter minutes, well how about 48 minutes!!!

He's simply put all his doubters to shame with how well he's played. To bring up turnovers is just more evidence of how some just can't admit that Duhon is much better than they thought and for those who believed he could shine under MDA, who has the gift of making PG's better, it's been a vindication. I have nothing against Rondo. He's a good young guard and he's handled his situation great. i just think Duhon has overcome more and done more with less.


good post...
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12/9/2008  1:38 AM
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you're right, we're playing duhon short.

the pressure to win more than 23 games carries the weight of mt. everest.



and the weight to just be average playing with the big 3 , I am sure carries the same weight..

Rondo was given the keys to the starbucks franchise, all he had to do, was not poison the coffee ,and he would be fine....
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12/9/2008  2:25 AM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by McK1:

you're right, we're playing duhon short.

the pressure to win more than 23 games carries the weight of mt. everest.



and the weight to just be average playing with the big 3 , I am sure carries the same weight..

Rondo was given the keys to the starbucks franchise, all he had to do, was not poison the coffee ,and he would be fine....
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12/9/2008  9:20 AM
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and the weight to just be lead guard playing with the big 3 , I am sure carries 10x's more weight..

Rondo earned the trust of teammates coach and management to steer the wheel of the starbucks franchise. all he has to do is continue to make sure the coffee is blended to perfection ,and he does that with diligence poise and grace....

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12/9/2008  9:27 AM
Rondo is a good player, however compare who they are kicking the call out two:

Tim Thomas, Wilson Chandler, David Lee

Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, and Kevin Garnett

It makes a huge difference when defenders can never key on a player and he has open shots and space on the floor. It is a very tough call, Rondo is a better defender, but duhon on the celts would be 14pts 10ass
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12/9/2008  9:32 AM
They are both under some pressure, but neither is under so much pressure that it should affect their play:

Duhon had to replace Marbs and as evident by his early struggles, the fans were ready to turn on him and slam him at a moments notice. If he was struggling the Marbs chants would be in full force and the pressure would have increased with time. However his play has silenced his critics and has made all but Berman and all the Berman haters(who secretly love him), and a few Coney Island residents forget all about Marbs. That being said he did come to a 23 win team so who really cares about his play.

As for Rondo. This guy has pressure too. One of the main question marks in the Boston papers(remember I live up here) was could the Celtics win with Rondo as PG. Should they acquire a vet(Cassell etc.) so that they can have a real PG when the playoffs start. He did have to perform and he did very well. That being said, let's be honest, if he fails the national media isn't focused on Rondo, they are going to tear apart the Big 3.

For my money, in this system I take Duhon. We need a PG that can not only run the offense but can also shoot the ball consistently. I just think at the moment Duhon is playing as well as any PG in the league(short of Steve Nash) would perform in this system and can't argue with the results. I also think with his J he could slot into more roles than Rondo could and be more successful on more teams. But for what the Celtics need out of their PG, Rondo is perfect and arguably one of the best in East. He may not perform this way for other teams that need more out of their PG, but until he is on another team or in another situation this doesn't really matter does it?
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