Posted by BlueSeats:

Wouldn't Mobley be chirping if he were being sleazed out of the league?

Posted by oohah:


This whole "dark plan" business is your characterization and yours alone.

However, if you refer to my second point, that Mobley's apparently serious heart condition was very likely known before the Knicks traded for him, you have to ask yourself why they decided he would be worth acquiring?

Did they acquire Mobley just hoping that his pre-existing heart condition which he signed a waiver to play through in Houston was not really serious? Does that really make sense?

Or did they know that he could be medically retired if they could validate his condition as serious enough of a risk? If they really wanted a player to play they could have invalidated the trade no? This isn't the first time something like this has happened in the NBA. I'd have to think about it but I believe that it has already happened this season or late last season.

So it isn't about a "dark plan", it is about looking at the chain of events from a common sense perspective. Other than that, I don't know anything about Walsh' personal character, and you do not either.

oohah

Its all speculation, oohah, and even you have to admit that. The Knicks certainly made this trade for two reasons:

1. Cap space in 2010.
2. Solid player in 2008-2009.

They may have known the condition before the trade, or maybe not. They sure found out once the trade was close to being official, but wanted to know its status as of now because conditions tend to get worse with age, you know. Obviously the pressure was to get the deal done regardless of Mobley's status. So Walsh took the gamble and waived the physical but still knew he had to investigate this.

It was possible that Mobley could waive responsability again like he did with the Clips, but maybe this time is more serious than before, and thats not farfetched considering things can get worse with time and more under the physical work he has in the NBA. Your idea lacks Mobley's point of view. Don't you think he would like to know if his life is in more danger now than before, especially if they found something new in the results?

I think the Knicks took the gamble on the trade because the long term plan wasn't going to be affected either if Mobley played or not. I think they expected him to play but if his life was gonna be in danger they weren't going to let that happen. I also think that, in this case, the person who wants to get to the bottom of this, more than Walsh, is Mobley. No money behind the desk will make him retire if he still wants to play, Only fear of death will.

Posted by DrAlphaeus:

To me, this just seems like what happens to a lot of regular people. Mobley probably wouldn't have thought about it because he probably wouldn't have had an in-depth physical at any point recently except for this trade. Mobley is at the tail end of his career and has to start thinking about his post-NBA life. He's going to get a lot of burn from D'Antoni, has to adjust to the stresses of living and working in New York, and he knows he's just a "means to an end" for this franchise. So why would Mobley want kill himself for this team, pardon the pun, especially in the current climate?

Walsh & MSG aren't taking heart conditions lightly any more, like folks has mentioned about the teenager from the Rangers. You aren't going to see any more Eddy Curry-type trades anymore... Curry has a "heart" problem in both senses of the word. If a player starts to feel like he is physically vulnerable, it's definitely going to affect his play. Plus, they sure need the extra roster spot.

And think of how this forum would be crying bloody murder if Zach was still here and got seriously injured. People would be screaming because Walsh lost out on trading Randolph when he was at his market high.

Posted by oohah:

Posted by BlueSeats:

Wouldn't Mobley be chirping if he were being sleazed out of the league?

I don't know enough about Mobley to say. It might be too early for him to start with that kind of talk. But there's still time!

Or maybe the Knicks will make a deal with him to not resist retiring like they did with Junk Yard Dog.

oohah

Posted by BlueSeats:

I don't get it oohah. You're trying to make a case that Mobley is getting sleazed, but there is zero evidence to support that. The man himself isn't even complaining.

Posted by oohah:

Posted by BlueSeats:

I don't get it oohah. You're trying to make a case that Mobley is getting sleazed, but there is zero evidence to support that. The man himself isn't even complaining.

Even if Mobley was seething, do you really think that the first thing Mobley would do mid-testing is start lashing out in the papers?

oohah

if he felt he was being railroaded out of the league? yes.

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by oohah:

Posted by BlueSeats:

I don't get it oohah. You're trying to make a case that Mobley is getting sleazed, but there is zero evidence to support that. The man himself isn't even complaining.

Even if Mobley was seething, do you really think that the first thing Mobley would do mid-testing is start lashing out in the papers?

oohah

if he felt he was being railroaded out of the league? yes.

I don't think so. If he is smart, I think he would keep his mouth shut and try to keep himself validated to play.

oohah

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by oohah:

I don't get it oohah. You're trying to make a case that Mobley is getting sleazed, but there is zero evidence to support that. The man himself isn't even complaining.

[b]I wouldn't say there is zero evidence either. I already showed you the chain. [b]

That's the problem, you've explained a hypothetical chain but have provided nothing to show it has any substance.