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12/2/2008  5:21 PM
in·tran·si·gence
Pronunciation:
\-jən(t)s\
Function:
noun
Date:
1882

: characterized by refusal to compromise or to abandon an extreme position or attitude


thanks Blue, i learned a new word today.
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12/2/2008  5:58 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by GallOfFame:
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The advantage to buying him out is to save money and remove him as a distraction.

The advantage to exiling him is to keep him as a trading chip and to make him suffer.

Saving 1M means nothing to me, and the same goes for Dolan. Nor would I want to trade his contract. So it really boils down to, what's more important, releasing a distraction or extracting revenge.

I think there's an argument to be made that Marbury on another team, especially an eastern team, would still constitute a distraction here in NY. So that's something of a wash to. So it really boils down to whether it's worth a million dollars to Dolan to waste Marbury's career and the answer is yes, and I concur.

Thus, the perfect settlement has been found.



You think he's suffering from this but he isn't. I understand if you want to tell yourself this to make you feel good on the inside but Marbury is too stupid to hurt over the game basketball. Remember he's been telling us basketball isn't his life it's just a game. The dude was talking about playing in Italy last yr. I don't think his interest playing in the NBA is all that high, as long as he can maintain his current earnings.

I don't disagree with this at all. If he really cared about bball he'd have an agent, be staying in shape, play when invited to and take a buyout. Marbruy is about everything but hoops.

But if me saying Dolan wants to make him suffer is a hangup to you, feel free to substitute "a refusal to placate Marbury".
For all those who think this is damaging his future earnings, I doubt it's hurting him that much. He wasn't going to be anything more than an MLE player irregardless of the distractions. His monetary fate was locked in a while ago. If Tim Thomas a ultra underachiever can get an MLE deal, and sign with a Contender after being a malcontent in Chicago, then Marbury more than likely can do likewise. Teams are just waiting for him to become available.

[Edited by - GallOfFame on 12-02-2008 3:08 PM]

I don't know if "this" is damaging his future earnings, but if you don't think his earning potential has declined every year since he became a max player, you're nuts. His value is EXTREMELY low right now. No way he can sit home all season, demonstrating nothing but bullheaded intransigence, and expect a full MLE contract over the summer. Nobody is going to buy into this guy without a trial period.
The one or two teams (if any) willing to touch him with a 10 foot pole would want to rent him for the rest of the season to judge his sanity first hand. Without that he'll get lttle more than an LLE contract, or something really short term with team opt out contracts. Do not over estimate this guys value. He should head to Italy on the first available flight, if they even want him.

And Marbury and TT are very different people. Marbury is a once in a generation poison.

Remember what happened to Latrell. Marbs should pay heed to his story.
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12/2/2008  6:01 PM
Marbury is going to get his money no matter what. It is just a matter of a lump sum or biweekly.
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12/2/2008  6:03 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

Remember what happened to Latrell. Marbs should pay heed to his story.

Good point bip, that guy's star sure fell fast. And if 7M per year wasn't gonna put food on his family's table, I wonder how he's doing without it.
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12/2/2008  6:16 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:

The advantage to buying him out is to save money and remove him as a distraction.

The advantage to exiling him is to keep him as a trading chip and to make him suffer.

Saving 1M means nothing to me, and the same goes for Dolan. Nor would I want to trade his contract. So it really boils down to, what's more important, releasing a distraction or extracting revenge.

I think there's an argument to be made that Marbury on another team, especially an eastern team, would still constitute a distraction here in NY. So that's something of a wash to. So it really boils down to whether it's worth a million dollars to Dolan to waste Marbury's career and the answer is yes, and I concur.

Thus, the perfect settlement has been found.

Totally agree Blue.
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12/2/2008  6:40 PM
I think Walsh is right to let him sit. I think the bigger question is what is up with Cutino? Are the Knicks trying to get out of his contract also? He would be a big help right now.
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12/2/2008  7:41 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by GallOfFame:
Posted by BlueSeats:

The advantage to buying him out is to save money and remove him as a distraction.

The advantage to exiling him is to keep him as a trading chip and to make him suffer.

Saving 1M means nothing to me, and the same goes for Dolan. Nor would I want to trade his contract. So it really boils down to, what's more important, releasing a distraction or extracting revenge.

I think there's an argument to be made that Marbury on another team, especially an eastern team, would still constitute a distraction here in NY. So that's something of a wash to. So it really boils down to whether it's worth a million dollars to Dolan to waste Marbury's career and the answer is yes, and I concur.

Thus, the perfect settlement has been found.



You think he's suffering from this but he isn't. I understand if you want to tell yourself this to make you feel good on the inside but Marbury is too stupid to hurt over the game basketball. Remember he's been telling us basketball isn't his life it's just a game. The dude was talking about playing in Italy last yr. I don't think his interest playing in the NBA is all that high, as long as he can maintain his current earnings.

I don't disagree with this at all. If he really cared about bball he'd have an agent, be staying in shape, play when invited to and take a buyout. Marbruy is about everything but hoops.

But if me saying Dolan wants to make him suffer is a hangup to you, feel free to substitute "a refusal to placate Marbury".
For all those who think this is damaging his future earnings, I doubt it's hurting him that much. He wasn't going to be anything more than an MLE player irregardless of the distractions. His monetary fate was locked in a while ago. If Tim Thomas a ultra underachiever can get an MLE deal, and sign with a Contender after being a malcontent in Chicago, then Marbury more than likely can do likewise. Teams are just waiting for him to become available.

[Edited by - GallOfFame on 12-02-2008 3:08 PM]

I don't know if "this" is damaging his future earnings, but if you don't think his earning potential has declined every year since he became a max player, you're nuts. His value is EXTREMELY low right now. No way he can sit home all season, demonstrating nothing but bullheaded intransigence, and expect a full MLE contract over the summer. Nobody is going to buy into this guy without a trial period.
The one or two teams (if any) willing to touch him with a 10 foot pole would want to rent him for the rest of the season to judge his sanity first hand. Without that he'll get lttle more than an LLE contract, or something really short term with team opt out contracts. Do not over estimate this guys value. He should head to Italy on the first available flight, if they even want him.

And Marbury and TT are very different people. Marbury is a once in a generation poison.

ROTFLOL

I don't see how you missed the comparison of probable salary Marbury could get to that of made of Tim Thomas receiving a 3yr near MLE deal from the Clips after he was waived by the Bulls in March and had 20-25gm audition with the Suns putting up a great playoff performance.... as a great decline from Max money. MLE<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<MAX CONTRACT just to give you an example Rashard Lewis was maxed out by the Magic first yr starting salary of $15.6mil or thereabouts, the MLE average NBA Salary is $5.6mil or thereabouts. That's 60% less in contract value I'd say that's a serious decline, maybe you wouldn't. This is the same Tim Thomas who requested to John Paxson "Send me home if you aren't going to play me because they aren't serious about winning."

Look Marbury isn't Tim Thomas but nevertheless all it takes is for the right team to sign Marbury. I'd wager no one thought Phx would pick Tim Thomas up off waivers after his issues with the Bulls and not being real professional about the situation. Let's be honest if Marbury lands on a team it won't be to a team trying to develop young players or to a team trying to make the next step to become a more respectable team(exception maybe Miami), he'll sign to a contender or to a team that stands the chance to have great playoff exposure. When this happens, this will be his defining moment monetarily speaking from that point forward.
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12/2/2008  7:51 PM
Gall, I'm glad you're having a grand ol' time parsing my words and missing the point. It's been a favorite pastime of deluded Marbury fans for years.
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12/2/2008  7:57 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:

Gall, I'm glad you're having a grand ol' time parsing my words and missing the point. It's been a favorite pastime of deluded Marbury fans for years.

I hate his guts and hope he never picks up a basketball again competively anywhere in the world, but I gotta set some matters straight. So no I'm not nuts in thinking how Marbury has lost potential funds over the yrs.
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12/2/2008  8:21 PM
Posted by GallOfFame:
Posted by BlueSeats:

Gall, I'm glad you're having a grand ol' time parsing my words and missing the point. It's been a favorite pastime of deluded Marbury fans for years.

I hate his guts and hope he never picks up a basketball again competively anywhere in the world, but I gotta set some matters straight. So no I'm not nuts in thinking how Marbury has lost potential funds over the yrs.

You're not setting anything straight. You're working off damn crooked logic if you think he's gonna sit out this whole season and get a full MLE contract over the summer.
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12/2/2008  9:25 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by TMS:

Dolan does not wanna buy him out unless he capitulates to certain conditions obviously, & the $1 mil is nowhere close to what the Knicks expect him to agree to... it's a poker game between 2 morons, what else do u guys expect? send Marbs home w/o supper & bury this issue in the garbage... stop addressing questions about Marbs... treat him like he's no longer a NY Knick... that's the only way this issue will ever be resolved to Dolan's liking... Dolan doesn't give a crap about the money, it's the principle he's unwilling to budge on.

From what I been reading is that Walsh and Dolan want to dictate what team is going to pick him up. Which doesn't make sense. You can't buyout a player then demand he doesn't sign with your divisional rivals.

It does if you're paying the guy's salary. If Marbury isn't going to save the knicks any money by taking less in a buyout there perfectly within the rights to say that the amount Marbury is willing to give back isn't enough for them to allow him to play for a division rival.

If there better off with him at home and paying him 21 mil instead of having play for miami and paying him 20 Mil that's their choice



[Edited by - oldfan on 12-02-2008 9:27 PM]

[Edited by - oldfan on 12-02-2008 9:28 PM]
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12/3/2008  12:39 AM
ARE YOU PEOPLE ALREADY SICK WRITING ABOUT STEPHANOMARBURIMAN??????
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12/3/2008  9:43 AM
all of you writing as if marbury is a victim and the knicks are in the wrong need your heads examined!!! The Knicks havnt handled this perfectly but its only out of ignorence, they had no idea what they were dealing with and how Steph could backfire on them. But Marbury deserves ZERO and i mean ZERO from this organization
Just out on front page Marbury pulls offer to give Knicks 1mm

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