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How about this David Lee to Portland for Jerryd Bayless and Channing Frye
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Andrew
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12/1/2008  4:24 PM
I'm not that worried about the Lee situation. If he signs an offer sheet for 8-10 million a year, match it. It only affects the ability to sign 2 max players. If the Knicks need to rid themselves of Lee's contract, trade him after they have matched. If he is as good as his contract is you shouldn't have a problem. There will be teams with space that can take on $ without sending money back.
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12/1/2008  5:21 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by King1:

I can tell you this Portland loves David Lee. Everyone is saying what a great move by Donnie Walsh by not signing Lee. Now that Lee is healthy and putting up big numbers Lee has the leverage. No team will trade for him because of him being a RFA at the end of the year. Someone will overbid on Lee and when you could have gotten him for 40-45 now will cost you 55-60 because of someone overbidding. If you dont get rid of him you have to draft a big even if a great guard is out there.

King 1 If we trade lee to Portland--they hold his bird rights. They can match any offer and they will have cap room --they hold all of the shots. I believe you about Portland loving Lee--it's obvious and easy to understand why from every angle--people don't think before they speak.

As a Knick fans first I cannot accept a scenario where Lee just walks--either pay him fairly or get the most you can for him soon. No matter what those Bird rights mean a lot--that gives any team the ability to keep Lee no matter what. So the Knicks do have leverage now for trading him but once that deadline is gone---its all over--he may walk for free. And everyone knows teams ALWAYS overpay in FA--POrtland and Memphis are going to go heavy$$ wise for Lee and if they do it smart they can make that second year not very palatable to match for the Knicks by frontloading.

While I'm very down on Channing Frye the thought of Bayless really intrigues me.

If I'm the Knicks I do this deal although -- I'd prefer a different piece Charles Outlaw or Nicholas Batum to Frye.

Would Portland do it? Maybe -- Lee would be an outstanding fit for them as a 4th big man in a rotation with Aldridge, Odom and Pryzbilla.

Bayless would be great for us and also give us some flexibility with Nate's negotiations. Frye could be re-packaged at a later date if he doesn't fit. Frye's defense and rebounding are horrid. On top of that he can't dribble or pass at all.

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12/1/2008  5:32 PM
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It is actually a fair trade. Frye with D'Antoni should do well because he can shoot and he would be out by 2010 in any case. And we would get another rookie friendly contract who may turn into an useful player, and let us trade Nate for a first round pick if needed.

Now I'm really getting confused by this logic. So we are going to trade Lee and Nate just' to get first round picks?????? What was the point of drafting the both of them, only to develop them and get rid of them?? Holy smokes!

Maybe we can develop those new drafts and then get rid of them in a few years for even 'newer' draft picks! Wow! I'm sure Lebron would love to see that as he by passes us as a joke.

[Edited by - 4949 on 12-01-2008 3:11 PM]
Well, maybe, just maybe, a future drafted player will be better than Lee and Nate. But what I mean is that I want draft picks and cap space for 2010. Lee and Nate are ok, but if I can get a better pontentially better player than Nate in Bayless and also get a first round pick, I think its a good idea.

But aren't we trying to have a nucleus ready for the sweepstakes after next season? The way I see it is, if we are going for gold, then we have no need for well positioned draft picks at this time. We should be positioning ourselves with players who are ready now, whether it's with or without Lee and Nate.

That's unless you aren't anticipating getting the sweepstakes in NY. And if so, then your basically talking about rebuilding, which I find very depressing.
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12/1/2008  5:35 PM
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12/1/2008  5:37 PM
Posted by VDesai:

Guys are going nutty over Frye just b/c he's included in this offer. Take a breather- the primary talent coming back here is Bayless...would you have done Lee for Bayless plus on draft night?

Maybe, maybe not- don't think its necessarily a bad offer though if you're gonna let Lee walk.

People talk as if this move was actually in the works.
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12/1/2008  6:54 PM
it's not a horrible idea but i'd much prefer to target a SG who's not undersized... Bayless has done nothing this season so far & can't even find minutes playing behind Sergio & Rudy.
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12/1/2008  9:42 PM
Posted by Andrew:

I'm not that worried about the Lee situation. If he signs an offer sheet for 8-10 million a year, match it. It only affects the ability to sign 2 max players. If the Knicks need to rid themselves of Lee's contract, trade him after they have matched. If he is as good as his contract is you shouldn't have a problem. There will be teams with space that can take on $ without sending money back.


Exactly. The Lee situation will work out for all involved. I can't believe it's a source of worry for anyone.
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12/1/2008  10:54 PM
Posted by GoNyGoNyGo:

why would the Knicks want Frye back?

we're slowly getting guys that Isiah acquired and then traded away- first TT, next Frye.

Can Mo Taylor be far behind?
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12/2/2008  12:26 AM
I went through ever roster for every team in the NBA the other day trying to compare Lee and Robinson to similar players around the league to get a feel for their worth. Robinson should get a contract similar to the one Leandro Barbosa signed last season (right around $6 mil. per). Maybe he gets a little more. That's good value for Nate - he's worth that and worth keeping in my estimation. For Lee, like it or not, he's gonna command between $8-9 mil. per over at least 5 years minimum. He'll probably get more - it wouldn't shock me if Donnie waits on it and some team with cap room signs him to a $10 mil. per offer sheet. Then Donnie, provided he does elect to go that route, has to decide. Is a limited player who's a plus rebounder yeah, but not a great (not even good) offensive player (the jumper's nowhere near where it needs to be to take the next step, no post moves and he's regressed at the foul line this season so far) and doesn't guard anyone worth keeping at $10 million a pop? I'm not sure. Don't let the GS game fool you - he had a great game there and he always plays hard every night and is a tremendous character guy, but put a big asterisk next to that boxscore as far as I'm concerned. It was hard to really take away anything of any value from that game against the Warriors - the entire GS squad should be embarrassed by the effort they gave there, esp. Biedrins and Turiaf (those guys are supposedly known for their defense too). That GS team has major problems and just isn't clicking. Lee, along with the rest of the Knicks, took advantage as they should've. But make no mistake, GS made a lousy, shorthanded Knick squad look like world champs. Gotta take that game with a grain of salt... Now when you match up Lee against the better starting 4s and 5s in the league, even some good reserves at those positions, you can usually see the major disparity in talent and you can see that we're playing at a disadvantage with his matchup too often - tommorow night's game is a good barometer for Lee. I'm curious to see what kind of game he has against Oden, Aldridge and co. Let me see him put up 37/22 against that team... I'm also concerned that he's peaked already. Realistically, how much better will he wind up getting? Big things to consider. I'd like to keep him on board as a key reserve, but for $10 million a season??? Not sure that's the right move. Not when we can get quality pieces for him to help build and mold this team for the future.

We're a team that needs everything right now - upgrades at every position across the board except probably the 3 (Chandler's a solid young player that will get better, I think Gallo will eventually contribute when healthy and there's a good chance LeBron's on his way anyway). With all the positions we'll need to fill (and hopefully fill adequately) the next few years, flipping Lee for a real good player, several good players and/or draft picks makes perfect sense to me. Bayless and Frye is tremendous value for David Lee IMO. Like I said a few weeks ago, I'd even take Sergio Rodriguez and Frye or Sergio and Webster for Lee. Any two-piece combination from Portland would help us greatly for years to come. And as stacked as Portland is, their #1 weakness might very well be rebounding. Oden's slowly easying his way back, Aldridge is real solid overall but not an exceptional rebounder, Pryzbilla's backup material all the way and Frye doesn't give you much on the glass (although I agree that he could be a different player under D'Antoni with a bigger role esp. as an offensive player - Lee might be at his ceiling already, Frye has more talent and could still get better if he wants it). But I do think they'd like Lee there. He'd be a quality fit that would have a big impact for them. He could be the missing piece for them right now - they basically have everything else. I've thought that for some time now. I really like Portland as a trading partner for us.


[Edited by - finestrg on 12-02-2008 12:58 AM]
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12/2/2008  12:36 AM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by GoNyGoNyGo:

why would the Knicks want Frye back?

we're slowly getting guys that Isiah acquired and then traded away- first TT, next Frye.

Can Mo Taylor be far behind?

Not before Vin Baker.
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12/2/2008  12:42 AM
i'd almost rather have Moochie Norris at this point than Roberson.
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12/2/2008  3:01 AM
I liked Moochie.
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12/2/2008  12:18 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

I liked Moochie.

Walsh, get her down- maybe we can trade Marbury for Moochie:

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12/2/2008  1:18 PM
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How about this David Lee to Portland for Jerryd Bayless and Channing Frye

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