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12/1/2008  9:05 PM
Funny thing is you could have gotten him cheaper if you would have signed him this year. The Knicks made this a business by not taking care of him now you want Lee to take less money. The time to take less money was this year not RFA. Chandler needs a pick and roll point guard and he has the best in the league and gets 13 million so I have no idea how Lee doesnt get 8-10 when he will score more points, more rebounds per game and dont tell me Chandler is a great defensive player he blocks 1.5 shots a game and we saw that Biedrins has less offensive skills than Lee and is a horrible defender also.
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12/1/2008  9:47 PM
King, I love Lee but if you think Tyson Chandler is not a good defender it's not exactly helping your credibility. and Chandler averaged 12ppg and 12rpg last year, with a block and a lot of altered shots. and he's a pressence in the lane. you can say lee deserves the money until you're blue in the face, but if he was a 6'11" shotblocker like Chandler it wouldn't even be an issue. let Lee prove he can start a full season. if he puts up 15ppg and 10rpg, he'll get his money.

one thing to consider is that this system might be the best fit in the NBA for him. on a half court team, Lee doesn't have the size to play center and maybe not even power forward. here, he's a good fit.
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12/2/2008  12:32 AM
What I am saying if Chandler demands 13 million Lee will get 8-10. Chandler is getting 8 and 8 this year and if Lee had Paul he would average 12 points every year in about 8 shots a game. Lee will average more points and rebounds than Chandler and he will have a better year than Dalembert also
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12/2/2008  12:39 AM
Posted by King1:

What I am saying if Chandler demands 13 million Lee will get 8-10. Chandler is getting 8 and 8 this year and if Lee had Paul he would average 12 points every year in about 8 shots a game. Lee will average more points and rebounds than Chandler and he will have a better year than Dalembert also

Lee doesn't defend centers.
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12/2/2008  12:46 AM
Posted by martin:
Posted by King1:

What I am saying if Chandler demands 13 million Lee will get 8-10. Chandler is getting 8 and 8 this year and if Lee had Paul he would average 12 points every year in about 8 shots a game. Lee will average more points and rebounds than Chandler and he will have a better year than Dalembert also

Lee doesn't defend centers.

He doesn't really guard forwards or guards either.
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12/2/2008  1:16 AM
i have to agree with isles (shiver) and martin. defense is half the game and it's the reason Dalembert and Chandler got their money. those guys are 6'11" beasts who patrol the lane and send back shots or just plain old deter shots and they are defensive pressences. Dlee has work to do before he can make that claim. if Dlee defended, i would be happy to give him a $10 M deal. he is miles ahead of Dalembert and Chandler offensively. it's an insult to compare him to those guys on offense, he's way ahead. but defense. defense. the guys you should be comparing lee to are among the likes of al harrington, antawn jamison, etc. offensive forwards who are defensive liabilities.

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12/3/2008  10:18 AM
Posted by crzymdups:

i have to agree with isles (shiver) and martin. defense is half the game and it's the reason Dalembert and Chandler got their money. those guys are 6'11" beasts who patrol the lane and send back shots or just plain old deter shots and they are defensive pressences. Dlee has work to do before he can make that claim. if Dlee defended, i would be happy to give him a $10 M deal. he is miles ahead of Dalembert and Chandler offensively. it's an insult to compare him to those guys on offense, he's way ahead. but defense. defense. the guys you should be comparing lee to are among the likes of al harrington, antawn jamison, etc. offensive forwards who are defensive liabilities.

[Edited by - crzymdups on 02-12-2008 01:16 AM]

Shear fantasy. David Lee is playing like a 10mm+ plus player--there is no two ways about it. If I was David lee's agent-- I would ask for 6 years 72mm$--he's invaluable to the Knicks--he's the face and identity of the franchise. How could he take less than Eddy Curry? How can an agent who is doing his job NOT ask for 72mm the way he is playing--the days we couldve signed him for 7-8mm are all but done. He's getting 60mm at the MINIMUM--unless there is a radical change in the salary cap but right now the asking price on David Lee is skyrocketing
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12/3/2008  10:37 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by crzymdups:

i have to agree with isles (shiver) and martin. defense is half the game and it's the reason Dalembert and Chandler got their money. those guys are 6'11" beasts who patrol the lane and send back shots or just plain old deter shots and they are defensive pressences. Dlee has work to do before he can make that claim. if Dlee defended, i would be happy to give him a $10 M deal. he is miles ahead of Dalembert and Chandler offensively. it's an insult to compare him to those guys on offense, he's way ahead. but defense. defense. the guys you should be comparing lee to are among the likes of al harrington, antawn jamison, etc. offensive forwards who are defensive liabilities.

[Edited by - crzymdups on 02-12-2008 01:16 AM]

Shear fantasy. David Lee is playing like a 10mm+ plus player--there is no two ways about it. If I was David lee's agent-- I would ask for 6 years 72mm$--he's invaluable to the Knicks--he's the face and identity of the franchise. How could he take less than Eddy Curry? How can an agent who is doing his job NOT ask for 72mm the way he is playing--the days we couldve signed him for 7-8mm are all but done. He's getting 60mm at the MINIMUM--unless there is a radical change in the salary cap but right now the asking price on David Lee is skyrocketing

I agree. DLee right now is in the 10mil per year range.
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12/3/2008  10:42 AM
His agent should ask for as much as he can. The question is who is going to spend that money.
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12/3/2008  10:47 AM
BTW, are we going to adjust his contract worth every 4 games depending on how he does?
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12/3/2008  10:53 AM
Posted by Andrew:

BTW, are we going to adjust his contract worth every 4 games depending on how he does?

He's already jumped to a very high level and only injury will stop him from getting a 60-72mm$ contract.
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12/3/2008  10:55 AM
What part of his game do you think got better....what jumped to the next level in your opinion?
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12/3/2008  11:06 AM
I said the other day that putting up #s against GS was one thing, let me see him do it against Portland and their frontline. And you know what, he did it. 19/12 against Oden, Aldridge and Pryzbilla is very impressive. He's been solid going up against much bigger guys almost on a nightly basis. Still, there's no denying that he's a limited player and something tells me he may have peaked already. He's quality but for over $10 million a pop I don't want the limitations he's saddled with. I want the well-rounded 2-way PF and to me he's not there and may never get there. You're all right though, he's gonna get paid...

Still think if we had a chance to flip him for two good players - say a starting caliber PG or SG that may already be salary controlled at reasonable money AND an effective reserve big man, you gotta entertain the idea. Getting a couple of quality bodies in exchange for Lee might be more valuable to us than electing to break the bank to keep him. Moving forward, we're gonna need depth at almost every position.

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12/3/2008  11:14 AM
Lee has got better because he can walk now and he they are now playing the type of ball MDA wants. They are doubling on defense, and they have a open floor to work with and look who is flourishing Duhon and Lee. This team has been shorthanded and is at least competing. Lee has scored in every game since Zach has left. If Biendrins get 10 million how can Lee not Biedrins has zero offensive skills and plays no defense either.
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12/3/2008  11:24 AM
Posted by Andrew:

What part of his game do you think got better....what jumped to the next level in your opinion?

Take a look at his numbers since Zach left. If we were talking 8mm before Zach took off---now add in the production level increase. How many points did Greg Oden have last night? How about David Lee? Atleast Lee can follow through on a dunk.
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12/3/2008  11:30 AM
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Posted by Andrew:

What part of his game do you think got better....what jumped to the next level in your opinion?

Take a look at his numbers since Zach left. If we were talking 8mm before Zach took off---now add in the production level increase. How many points did Greg Oden have last night? How about David Lee? Atleast Lee can follow through on a dunk.

Dude, you are comparing Lee to a guy that just sat out of BB for a year after micro fracture surgery. And you point out that he missed 2 dunks?
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12/3/2008  11:33 AM
I know his numbers are better over the last couple of games. That wasn't the question.

I'll ask again...I'm not saying he hasn't gotten better at all...I just want to know what you think.

What part of his game do you think got better....what jumped to the next level in your opinion?
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12/3/2008  11:56 AM
I think since Zach left Lee has played better defense. Biedrins was 1/7 in the first quarter the last night the points were on putbacks and your going to give that up when your guard 7-0 and no one else is really rebounding. You say the guy cant score but he get 17 against Detriot, 13 against Cleveland and 17 last night which should have been 21 after the goal tend and the rape on the dunk. Someone will pay for a guy who doesnt need shots makes then when he shoots it, top 10 rebounder, and someone that will do the dirty work for a superstar.
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12/3/2008  12:11 PM
Posted by King1:

I think since Zach left Lee has played better defense. Biedrins was 1/7 in the first quarter the last night the points were on putbacks and your going to give that up when your guard 7-0 and no one else is really rebounding. You say the guy cant score but he get 17 against Detriot, 13 against Cleveland and 17 last night which should have been 21 after the goal tend and the rape on the dunk. Someone will pay for a guy who doesnt need shots makes then when he shoots it, top 10 rebounder, and someone that will do the dirty work for a superstar.

you know what... if Lee does pan out to be a first line PF, then who cares, Donnie will be happy to show him the money. But let's wait and see the full season.
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12/3/2008  12:19 PM
I will say taht since Zach has left Lee has improved his effort level and defense, and I have been a huge critic of his D
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